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05-04-2013, 03:38 PM
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You said the Rangers offense sucked because they scored 0 goals. Now the Caps offense didn't suck despite also scoring 0 goals through 60. The point is number of goals doesn't equate to how good an offense played. There are plenty of better arguments for why the Rangers offense didn't capitalize, throwing around things like "0 goals of course they suck" is just piling on the this team sucks train without any hint of logic.
The reason caps had zero in regulation was all Henrik. This game should have been 4 or 5 nothing. Anyone who is trying to fool themselves by saying this was a close game and could have gone either way is just wearing Rangers colored glasses. Rangers game
Is keep aweful. Just hoping for blocks and henrik and maybe get a lucky counter attack goal and then try and hold on. That will get them nowhere except maybe a 5 game series if they are lucky.

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You're being abrasive just as much as he is. Cut the crap. You have already admitted in the past that you've only recently started watching hockey. Stop acting like you're a tactical genius.

Want an explanation of this mindset? Here you go: The Rangers played a better overall game in the last two periods of the first game than they did today. But they had a better offensive game, in my mind, in the first three periods today. They had fewer shots, but much more high quality chances. You generally do not score from perimeter shots. Their defense has been pretty awful throughout.
How bout this you tell me where UI act like a tactical genius then I'll reply to this. I also flat out disagree with what you said in your second paragraph completely. I saw our first game as much more in control and bad luck. I saw this as flat out failure. That's what I SAW not what I'm implying or making up. Reporting what I SAW is not pretending to be atactical genius.

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At least we got a point in OT

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05-04-2013, 03:40 PM
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At least we got a point in OT
Exactly..the season is 82 games..So were only half way through....A point is a point...

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05-04-2013, 03:41 PM
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Read the 5th point again.

Torts, like any good coach, trusts his players. Sometimes it doesn't work out right. Don't sit there and tell me that he should all of a sudden stop trusting them and only go with his way because you and others have complained about how inflexible he is the entire freaking year. He is going to trust his #1 d-man to stay on the ice if the guy says he still has gas. McDonagh is a workhorse.
You want to show that you know hockey i'd expct things like "Look we outshot them, we controlled play, Holtby made this great save and that great save, etc." But NONE of that happened and you've done nothing but come off as someone excusing this team b/c of the logo and not because of good hockey. As I said thats fine you're allowed to ecuse this team all you want what pisses me right the hell off is when you showed ignorance of why people were extremely frustrated with the rangers failure to score and you condescend to them and basically tell them they aren't good fans and aren't allowed to feel that frustration and anger. Like I said it's like when a parent excuses their child for screwing up or doing something wrong simply b/c it's their kid.

Just because I disagree with your point doesn't mean I misunderstand it. Torts can trust whatever he wants. people trust when they SHOULDN'T and in this case Torts trusted when he shouldn't have clearly. But it's egregious. Even if McD had not screwed up Torts still shouldn't have killed him with a massive shift like that.

This is MY opinion represented by this post I don't EXPECT or DEMAND you agree with it but I certainly expect you to understand why I and others might have it and not condescend to us and make us feel like idiots. THATS why I'm snippy with you and why I question what you really know about this sport that you've been watching for so much longer.

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I am truly amazed at the optimism of some of you guys. It's hard to be a Ranger fan!!!

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I love when Torts gets out coached by a rookie coach.

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I think you guys gotta stop blaming the players and start blaming Tortorella & Co. We have a lot of guys with talent and to say otherwise is childish.

Torts has to go. Soon. ASAP.

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05-04-2013, 03:43 PM
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Girardi and Pyatt on a PP, yup. Thats all that needs to be said why we cant score goals on the pp. Whatever, it was a fun short season, i guess.

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You want to show that you know hockey i'd expct things like "Look we outshot them, we controlled play, Holtby made this great save and that great save, etc." But NONE of that happened and you've done nothing but come off as someone excusing this team b/c of the logo and not because of good hockey. like I said it's like when a parent excuses their child for screwing up or doing something wrong simply b/c it's their kid.

Just because I disagree with your point doesn't mean I misunderstand it. Torts can trust whatever he wants. people trust when they SHOULDN'T and in this case Torts trusted when he shouldn't have clearly. But it's egregious. Even if McD had not screwed up Torts still shouldn't have killed him with a massive shift like that
No, you very clearly don't understand. How did Torts kill him with a massive shift? Again, this guy is a workhorse. McDonagh comes off the ice when he is tired all the time. All of a sudden now he doesn't and it's all Torts' fault? Torts could have "forced" him to come off, but he's going to go with his players when they say they are OK.

If you don't like that, than perhaps you should go tell Torts how to coach a game. I'm sure your multiple Stanley Cups will speak volumes to him.

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Read the 5th point again.

Torts, like any good coach, trusts his players. Sometimes it doesn't work out right. Don't sit there and tell me that he should all of a sudden stop trusting them and only go with his way because you and others have complained about how inflexible he is the entire freaking year. He is going to trust his #1 d-man to stay on the ice if the guy says he still has gas. McDonagh is a workhorse.
In 35 years I have never seen a player on the bench turn to his coach and say, I'm too gassed to go out there.

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In 35 years I have never seen a player on the bench turn to his coach and say, I'm too gassed to go out there.
I have seen guys come off the ice tired all the time. It's called a shift change and they don't always happen merely when a coach calls for one.

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Girardi and Pyatt on a PP, yup. Thats all that needs to be said why we cant score goals on the pp. Whatever, it was a fun short season, i guess.
No, it had to many ups and downs. A lot of downs. The rotten cherry on this **** sundae is that Torts gets to keep his job, along with Sully, and we don't have our 1st.

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Ok so everyone has gotten everything off their chest...Now...Rangers win games 3 and 4 ...Have no fear...LGR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No, you very clearly don't understand. How did Torts kill him with a massive shift? Again, this guy is a workhorse. McDonagh comes off the ice when he is tired all the time. All of a sudden now he doesn't and it's all Torts' fault? Torts could have "forced" him to come off, but he's going to go with his players when they say they are OK.

If you don't like that, than perhaps you should go tell Torts how to coach a game. I'm sure your multiple Stanley Cups will speak volumes to him.
This is a horribly bad insinuation. Because I disagree with a move a coach made I am w ong? He is so perfect? He is God? He should not even be questioned ona random forum when his decision seems to be a bad one from the get go? He should not be questioned when said decision clearly was wrong? This is what I mean about you

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I completely disagree with your second paragraph. I saw our first game as much more in control and bad luck.
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The Rangers played a better overall game in the last two periods of the first game than they did today. But they had a better offensive game, in my mind, in the first three periods today. They had fewer shots, but much more high quality chances. You generally do not score from perimeter shots. Their defense has been pretty awful throughout.
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I saw our first game as much more in control and bad luck. I saw this as flat out failure. That's what I SAW not what I'm implying or making up. Reporting what I SAW is not pretending to be atactical genius.
I'm saying offensively, the team played better today. Their overall game, however, was not even close to what they showed in the last two periods of the first game.

Other than Hags' breakaway, name me more than 3-4 quality scoring chances in the first game. I can think of maybe 2-3 more.

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I love when Torts gets out coached by a rookie coach.
How did he get out-coached exactly?

I don't get this. Where does coaching come into play here? Here's the difference, they have 2 guys on their back end that can rifle it with the best of them (AO, and Green) and they have 2 of the best playmakers in the game feeding them.

We've got Brad Richards whose head is up his ass and really nobody with a canon of a shot.

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Boyle played better this game than Kreider did all of the games while Boyle was out
Dont think so kreider was better than boyle and i remember the announcers saying why arent they playing kreider more and just let him loose dont remember hearing boyles name at all after the puck dropping but that maybe due to me yelling at the tv . Kreider had a few really good shots i bet kreider had more shots than boyle and i can bet he had also at least 5 less minutes than boyle.

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No, you very clearly don't understand. How did Torts kill him with a massive shift? Again, this guy is a workhorse. McDonagh comes off the ice when he is tired all the time. All of a sudden now he doesn't and it's all Torts' fault? Torts could have "forced" him to come off, but he's going to go with his players when they say they are OK.

If you don't like that, than perhaps you should go tell Torts how to coach a game. I'm sure your multiple Stanley Cups will speak volumes to him.
If you feel I am wrong and he made the right move again that's FINE you are entitled to your opinion but you can never leave it at that you ALWAYS have to go the exra step and condescend people and tell them they are wrong.

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This is a horribly bad insinuation. Because I disagree with a move a coach made I am w ong? He is so perfect? He is God? He should not even be questioned ona random forum when his decision seems to be a bad one from the get go? He should not be questioned when said decision clearly was wrong? This is what I mean about you
You. continue. to. miss. the. point.

I also feel that it was a bad decision by Torts. Why do you continue to ignore this? I have said it 5 times now. I do not lay all the blame on the coach, however. Take a few seconds to read this before you respond.

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I'm saying offensively, the team played better today. Their overall game, however, was not even close to what they showed in the last two periods of the first game.

Other than Hags' breakaway, name me more than 3-4 quality scoring chances in the first game. I can think of maybe 2-3 more.
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But they had a better offensive game, in my mind, in the first three periods today. They had fewer shots, but much more high quality chances. You generally do not score from perimeter shots. Their defense has been pretty awful throughout.
LOL jesus Christ at least if you insult someone over their point to make yourself feel better you should understand what part of your post they are responding to. I said I agree they were better in the first but that has no bearing on their miserable failure today

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Frankly I'd rather see a change to a total run-&-gun strategy than anymore of this crap. Would much rather lose that game 4-3 in OT than 1-0.

Not sure where this is going, we're not out of it yet but my mind is starting to drift to fishing season and striped bass in the shallows....

I have tix for Wed. Not sure if I want to go....meh

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Now that I've showered and got a pizza, we played like ass. There is still time. At the Garden. Must-win situation.

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