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Lou Fontinato Post Injury Interview - 1963

App. six weeks after his career ending neck injury, Lou Fontinato was interviewed for a story in the Montreal Gazette:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...7007%2C3881692

Note that he blames himself for the injury.

Video of the injury:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qczNJVH1UDA

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Geez thats hard to watch. Guy just lying there not moving. Looked innocent enough however by todays standards Im thinking Hadfield might be in some serious trouble. Fontinato was down (of his own volition & movement) absolutely, and though Hadfield didnt really nail him, he clearly hit him hard enough to cause damage, paralysed for a month. Lou there accepts full responsibility, that he "missed making the check" and thats how its also described by the HHOF in his profile, but if you watch that clip closely, clearly because of his foolish move in going down like that he was at Hadfields mercy, and Vic had a good head of steam coming in.... still. By say 1995-2013 standards, Im thinkin this goes nuclear on Hadfield & the Rangers.

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Geez thats hard to watch. Guy just lying there not moving. Looked innocent enough however by todays standards Im thinking Hadfield might be in some serious trouble. Fontinato was down (of his own volition & movement) absolutely, and though Hadfield didnt really nail him, he clearly hit him hard enough to cause damage, paralysed for a month. Lou there accepts full responsibility, that he "missed making the check" and thats how its also described by the HHOF in his profile, but if you watch that clip closely, clearly because of his foolish move in going down like that he was at Hadfields mercy, and Vic had a good head of steam coming in.... still. By say 1995-2013 standards, Im thinkin this goes nuclear on Hadfield & the Rangers.
In the O6 era some players when they saw a check coming would dip. The idea being that the player throwing the check could not stop in time and would get flipped over the shoulder, into the boards head first if in close proximity. This discouraged a lot of the reckless running around that one sees today.

Problem was if the player dipping caught a rut, lost an edge or stumbled he was unprotected and open to injury.

After the Fontinato injury the dipping disappeared.

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In the O6 era some players when they saw a check coming would dip. The idea being that the player throwing the check could not stop in time and would get flipped over the shoulder, into the boards head first if in close proximity. This discouraged a lot of the reckless running around that one sees today.

Problem was if the player dipping caught a rut, lost an edge or stumbled he was unprotected and open to injury.

After the Fontinato injury the dipping disappeared.
I think part of the problem today is that guys aren't afraid to go fullspeed towards the boards because the 'suit of armour' they wear today makes them feel invincible. Look at Prust last night. Goes full speed towards Anderson who is playing the puck near the corner, stumbles and goes head first into the boards. Re-injures his sternum or something. No fear, stupidity, probably hoping he'd hit Anderson so hard he'd injure him. No respect.

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In the O6 era some players when they saw a check coming would dip.
Ya, I remember "The Dip". Generally though youd' see it in open ice from what I re-call. Sort of a twist on the Hip Check. I honestly dont really remember seeing a player "dip" like Fontinato did there so close to the boards unless avoiding a check, yet he claims he was trying to dish one to Hadfield? He couldnt have been more than what, a foot out? No way was he going get the leverage required to springboard Hadfield off his feet, sending Vic airborne faceplanting the glass or boards. It just looked like such a stupid ill-timed attempt at a hit as to be ludicrous. Now Bobby Baun, theres a guy who was still using "The Dip" be it butt out hip check over the shoulder and to great effect.

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I think part of the problem today is that guys aren't afraid to go fullspeed towards the boards because the 'suit of armour' they wear today makes them feel invincible. Look at Prust last night. Goes full speed towards Anderson who is playing the puck near the corner, stumbles and goes head first into the boards. Re-injures his sternum or something. No fear, stupidity, probably hoping he'd hit Anderson so hard he'd injure him. No respect.
Short summation, football hits as opposed to hockey hits that require different angles, proper body position and using the boards to your advantage instead of peril - like Prust.

The goal of any proper hockey hit is to come away with the puck and create an odd man transition while the checked player is out of position.

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Ya, I remember "The Dip". Generally though youd' see it in open ice from what I re-call. Sort of a twist on the Hip Check. I honestly dont really remember seeing a player "dip" like Fontinato did there so close to the boards unless avoiding a check, yet he claims he was trying to dish one to Hadfield? He couldnt have been more than what, a foot out? No way was he going get the leverage required to springboard Hadfield off his feet, sending Vic airborne faceplanting the glass or boards. It just looked like such a stupid ill-timed attempt at a hit as to be ludicrous. Now Bobby Baun, theres a guy who was still using "The Dip" be it butt out hip check over the shoulder and to great effect.
When I started reffing in 1953, there was a "clipping" penalty for doing that, which there still is today.


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Finishing the Check.

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When I started reffing in 1953, there was a "clipping" penalty for doing that, which there still is today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l5gOlr4unw
Clipping is rarely called. Made a comeback thanks to the likes of Brad Marchand.

When did you start noticing the "finishing the check" phenomena.

Idea used to be that the objective of body checking was to regain possession of the puck, transitioning to a brief man advantage situation.

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Short summation, football hits as opposed to hockey hits that require different angles, proper body position and using the boards to your advantage instead of peril - like Prust.

The goal of any proper hockey hit is to come away with the puck and create an odd man transition while the checked player is out of position.
That's a pretty accurate way of painting it, imo. Even in football, the "truly elite" defenders have a knack for finding opportunities to strip the ball while wrapping up; as opposed to just throwing a bone-jarring hit, hoping to knock the ball loose.

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When I started reffing in 1953, there was a "clipping" penalty for doing that, which there still is today.
Ya, good "clip" there from youtube as well & looks ta me like Phaneuf embellished that a bit as well, hoping to draw more. Anyway, thats a good call & pretty blatant but again, look at the angles? Phaneuf was skating south & the guy who clips him steps over & dips in from the immediate east & decks him but good. In the case of Fontinato & Hadfield, Hadfield skating due south straight for the end boards and along comes Leapin Louie trying to clip him from dead on with his body to the wall of the south pole? Gets slammed & twisted around by Victor there & whole faced he's eatin paint & plywood.... Well, thats not how you do it mbh. Thats not going to work, the angles are all off & wrong & had they been correct & he'd nailed Hadfield, he's getting a Penalty. You only wanna do that behind the play, when the Ref's not lookin. Not wide open like that with the puck in play right in front of you. I cant imagine what he was thinking. Must have been either confused on the play or decided to attempt something never before seen on a hockey rink. Immortality. Nearly found it. Pretty sure he saw God.

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When did you start noticing the "finishing the check" phenomena.
Around the early 70's.

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Around the early 70's.
Same here in Quebec, definitely by the mid seventies. Coincided with the lost skill of making a body check and coming away with the puck fading away.

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Rule 56 pertaining to interference & checking. Ref's should be calling it. Finishing the check is concussing players, ending careers. Checkings gotten well beyond its intended use, namely, to use the body to strip the opponent of the puck & gain possession in a fluid movement of transition & yes, actual grace. Back in the day, only Goons "finished a check", stapled a guy, put him into the bench or box, right over or through the boards, absolutely stepped through him without regard for the puck whatsoever head up or down and when they did that, they were absolutely made to pay for it & pay dearly.

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