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05-11-2013, 12:57 AM
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Horvat also scored quite a few fewer points in quite a few more games than Kadri did, so... uh?
Kadri was also 18 for his entire draft-eligible season. That matters at that level. Horvat was 17 until the second round of the playoffs.

It seems that every fan of this organization recognizes that we need a center who can play top competition every night, win the possession battle, and still produce despite playing those tough minutes. Horvat is that guy after Monahan in this draft. If they can package 16 and STL's 2nd to move up and get him, Darcy better do it.

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05-11-2013, 03:53 AM
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Of course the age difference matters, but they're six months apart relatively speaking, not a full year. Does that outweigh (or even cancel out) the rather significant difference in their production?

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Of course the age difference matters, but they're six months apart relatively speaking, not a full year. Does that outweigh (or even cancel out) the rather significant difference in their production?
He's not going to have better offensive output when he does everything else twice as good as Kadri did (a year younger). If his offensive output at 17 was equal to Kadri's at 18 then Horvat would be the first forward taken in the draft.

Actually I would say that he does everything else five times better than Kadri did as Kadri was terrible at everything but scoring until Dallas Eakins got a hold of him. It wasn't too long ago Kadri was playing Buffalo and was the direct result of three goals against. When questioned about it from the media Kadri's response was "I don't think it was my fault". Away from the puck Kadri and Horvat couldn't be further apart during their draft years.

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Nichushkin @ 8

Horvat @ 16 (+ whatever picks to move up)

This is my (realistic) dream scenario.

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Unless he's putting up a smokescreen, I believe Murray has Nichushkin ranked No. 1 on the Lightning's list. Yzerman can override that.

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Transfer issues could affect the pick, obviously, but Yzerman has never been one to draft for immediate results. He'll take best in 5-7 yrs.

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If comes down to player type for slot (i.e. playmaking winger for Stamkos), he could go Drouin, but said Drouin isn't MSL caliber.
FYI Murray is Tampa Bay's Chief Amateur Scout, my guess is that Drouin would make it to #5 as Nashville would still take Barkov

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FYI Murray is Tampa Bay's Chief Amateur Scout, my guess is that Drouin would make it to #5 as Nashville would still take Barkov
If TBL went Nichushkin, that gives us a shot at Lindholm. I agree that NSH probably still goes Barkov, and the Candy Canes have Drouin fall in their laps. If Calgary picked Monahan, I think Lindholm would be available at our pick because I can't see Edmonton picking another player of Lindholm's size and skillset.

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What if the Sabres traded both of their 2nd rounders and their picks afterward in this years draft? Could they get a top 10 pick from that? They could still have picks 8, 16, and that top 10 pick to give them potentially 3 impact players in the draft.


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What if the Sabres traded both of their 2nd rounders and their picks afterward in this years draft? Could they get a top pick from that. They could still have picks 8, 16, and that top 10 pick to give them potentially 3 impact players in the draft.
Those picks after the 1st don't have enough value to get them that high.

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What if the Sabres traded the Stafford, Larrson and the 8th pick for the 4th pick.?

Would Nashville go for that?

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What if the Sabres traded the Stafford, Larrson and the 8th pick for the 4th pick.?

Would Nashville go for that?
Not even worth it. Give up Larrsen AND Stafford to move up 4 spots? No thanks.

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What if the Sabres traded the Stafford, Larrson and the 8th pick for the 4th pick.?

Would Nashville go for that?
This is basically a good idea, but not with Larsson involved. I would put Stafford or Ennis up with the 38th pick to move up from 16th, or Vanek/Miller if they make it clear they want to go, in order to move up or get another 1st outright. I don't want to package and actually lose a 1st rd pick to move up though.

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McKeen's has a mock up: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nh...-mock-draft-10

Monahan at 8 and Erne at 16. Again, a nice pair.

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McKeen's has a mock up: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nh...-mock-draft-10

Monahan at 8 and Erne at 16. Again, a nice pair.
That was definitely an interesting take on things and if it was shaking out that way, I'd hope they'd pick Rychel instead of Erne and then try to package their 2 seconds to move back into the 1st to grab Hartman

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Monahan would be amazing at 8

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I'd prefer skinkaruk over erne at 16 though

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05-11-2013, 12:32 PM
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Group 1
1. Seth Jones

Group 2
2. Aleksander Barkov
3. Jonathan Drouin
4. Nathan MacKinnon

Group 3
5. Elias Lindholm
6. Valeri Nichushkin
7. Sean Monahan

Group 4
8. Rasmus Ristolainen
9. Alexander Wennberg
10. Darnell Nurse
11. Nikita Zadarov

Group 5
12. Bo Horvat
13. Max Domi
14. Hunter Shinkaruk
15. Curtis Lazar
16. Josh Morrissey
17. Valentin Zykov
18. Ryan Pulock
19. Andre Burakovsky
20. Mirco Mueller
21. Anthony Mantha
22. Shea Theodore
23. Zachary Fucale
24. Frederick Gauthier
25. Madison Bowey
26. Ryan Hartman
27. Adam Erne
28. Robert Hagg
29. Jacob De La Rose
30. Pavel Buchnevich


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That was definitely an interesting take on things and if it was shaking out that way, I'd hope they'd pick Rychel instead of Erne and then try to package their 2 seconds to move back into the 1st to grab Hartman
Erne's got speed to burn and can still score in a variety of ways. Rychel's a possible choice there, I like Erne a little bit more but there are a lot of guys who could be a nice pick at 16.

I like Hartman a lot, just not quite at 16. I think he gets picked before 38.

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Erne's got speed to burn and can still score in a variety of ways. Rychel's a possible choice there, I like Erne a little bit more but there are a lot of guys who could be a nice pick at 16.

I like Hartman a lot, just not quite at 16. I think he gets picked before 38.
I think Rychel has higher end finishing than Erne which is why I'd pick him instead, but wouldn't mind if Darcy packaged his 2nds to move back into the 1st to grab someone like Hartman.

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What if the Sabres traded both of their 2nd rounders and their picks afterward in this years draft? Could they get a top pick from that. They could still have picks 8, 16, and that top 10 pick to give them potentially 3 impact players in the draft.

Draft picks don't have that much value in the NHL.

In the NFL a team would do something like that. Pick in 2 nd, 3 rd, and 4 th still have significant impact on the team.

In the NHL it's still such a crapshoot to get and NHL player in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds.

I think they could move into the 20s of the 1st by packaging their 2nds + a 2nd ( LA/MIN) in 2014. They can alo se the 2nds to move up their 1st round picks.

If they move Vanek before the draft they would get a 2013 or 2014 1st as part of the package. I feel they could get a 1st as part of a package or Miller....if not...then use him to move up in the 1st.

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Your thoughts on this......

Stafford + Min 1st for EDM 1st + ??

Or

Stafford + Sekera for EDM 1st + ??

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Your thoughts on this......

Stafford + Min 1st for EDM 1st + ??

Or

Stafford + Sekera for EDM 1st + ??
Just wondering why the Oil do this?

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Your thoughts on this......

Stafford + Min 1st for EDM 1st + ??

Or

Stafford + Sekera for EDM 1st + ??
You wouldn't get Edmonton's first for either deal. Maybe they'd consider something around Sekera and Minnesota's 1st for their pick. I think the sabres are better off using their picks the way they stand or just moving up a few picks from 16 if there is someone they like.

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Oiler fans in some of the mock draft threads have been very confident that their team won't pass on Monahan for a Dman despite external perception of their team's weaknesses. All scenarios projecting Monahan/Lindholm to Buffalo have relied on EDM picking D. If true then situation at 8 will likely be as it was in this thread. (Choice mainly between RR, DN, HS).

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McKeen's has a mock up: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nh...-mock-draft-10

Monahan at 8 and Erne at 16. Again, a nice pair.
I just can't see Shinkaruk falling to 22.

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I just can't see Shinkaruk falling to 22.
A lot of those picks seem a bit off...or backwards. Zadarov at 7 and RR at 14, for example. Or Fucale, Domi, and Morin going 9, 10, 11. Then again, this draft is so up in the air, who really knows?

I'd definitely take their predicted Monahan and Erne to the Sabres, though. Can't go wrong with that tandem.

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