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05-05-2013, 02:39 PM
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Why do the Pens struggle? Bylsma!

Throw out all the regular season stats that mean nothing and watch the Pens in the playoffs under Bylsma. (from 2010-present)
He is a horrible playoff coach and harms this team more than he helps.

They lost to Montreal and probably shouldn't have, but Bylsma was outcoached and ran into a hot goalie too.
They lost to Tampa after being up big in the series. Sure the Pens were without Crosby, Malkin, Cooke, etc....but he got outcoached once again.
Then they lose to Philly in a complete circus where he had no control of his players, a PK that was 40% after being number 1 in the regular season, and zero systematic play.

Here's Bylsma and his coaching in a nutshell.

The Pens do NOT employ a breakout. They don't have one. It's North/South. Get the puck and move it up the ice as fast as possible. On a controlled breakout, the Dman stands still with the puck while the forwards stand still at the redline boards, or even the blueline. The dman then wires a stretch pass, hoping for a tip in and a forecheck.
Because of this, the Pens probably lead the league in unforced icings.

I challenge someone to actually count next game how many times the Pens actually break out of their zone with tape to tape passes and speed. It doesn't happen.

The Isles have learned from every other team that plays the Pens in the playoffs, you simple seal the boards and force the Pens to ice the puck....or at least hinder any speed from a forecheck.

He's also gone away from an aggressive PK to a passive one. Ever since that has happened, the Pens PK has struggled.

He's also continued to force Iginla with Malkin which hasn't worked since he arrived in Pittsburgh. Crosby has shown he can produce with whoever you put on his wing. The simple solution to get Malkin going is to move Kunitz back with him and put Iginla with Crosby.

Byslma will be gone after this season, barring they win the Cup. I don't see it happening with him behind the bench and would welcome someone like Lindy Ruff in a heartbeat.

I'm almost hoping the Isles win, just so we can rid of Bylsma and his horrible coaching and playoff disappointments.

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15-0 in March, 8 game winning streak to end off season and the team doesn't have good breakout? Ok.

Plus, I beg to differ, they were successful cause of Letang and Martin's great breakouts.

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He's the Erik Spoelstra of the NHL. If he wins, it's because of the stacked roster. If he loses, it's because he is a bad coach. Lose lose situation.

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Their defense and goaltending aren't exactly strong points for them. Not sure if you can blame Bylsma for that though.

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They lead the series. struggling how?

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Just cause they haven't won the cup every year doesn't mean they 'struggle'. They'll be in the ECF this year, probably SCF.

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They are far too one dimensional to go deep in the playoffs.

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The Pens have amounted to nothing every year Malkin isn't leading the team and beasting the whole league

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A lot of teams in the league would kill for a coach like Bylsma.

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Just cause they haven't won the cup every year doesn't mean they 'struggle'. They'll be in the ECF this year, probably SCF.
have you SEEN these last two games? We'll be lucky to make it past the Islanders. They are matching or outplaying us in every facet of the game. Our only advantage lies in the individual skill of our players IMO.

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They need Gionta, Desharnais and Carey Price.

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15-0 in March, 8 game winning streak to end off season and the team doesn't have good breakout? Ok.

Plus, I beg to differ, they were successful cause of Letang and Martin's great breakouts.
Watch them in the playoffs. Year after year. Why respond when you clearly haven't watched?

They do NOT have a breakout. Watch the games! Teams sit back and allow the dman to walk up to the circles and then they stop and look to wire a stretch pass through the neutral zone. These passes aren't intended to be picked up, they're supposed to be tipped into the zone.

Every playoff year, the opponent figures out how to stop this, and the Pens can't get anything going. They have no offensive zone time, no cycle game, and no game off the rush.

As I said, throw all regular season out the window, because that doesn't matter one bit in the playoffs....and it's clearly shown year after year with Bylsma at the helm.

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They are far too one dimensional to go deep in the playoffs.
One dimensional? Really? Interesting.

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the Pens rely too much on skill

they can be outplayed and still win the game because of skill

if they keep playing like this, NYI might win the series

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because the Isles are actually a bit better than people think

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the Pens rely too much on skill

they can be outplayed and still win the game because of skill

if they keep playing like this, NYI might win the series
NY will win the series unless Bylsma actually implements a system that works in the playoffs and starts adjusting.

There's a reason they get outplayed in the playoffs EVERY year. The team does a complete 180 from dominance to playing on their heels. His system gets solved and he doesn't know how to adjust. Every year Pens fans believe he must have learned and we'll see a different coach come playoff time....nope, same old.

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because the Isles are actually a bit better than people think
and SHOULD be dominating this bad? Hardly.

This is on Byslma and Capuano has made him his biotch. LOL

The Isles are better than many think, but should not be dominating in this fashion. Not with the players the Pens have. Bylsma is hurting them more than helping.

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You can't win the Stanley Cup every year.

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have you SEEN these last two games? We'll be lucky to make it past the Islanders. They are matching or outplaying us in every facet of the game. Our only advantage lies in the individual skill of our players IMO.
if your getting outplayed and out worked in every facet of the game then maybe its the players work ethic and compete level... not the coach

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if your getting outplayed and out worked in every facet of the game then maybe its the players work ethic and compete level... not the coach
Bingo. The Isles straight outworked us and played a more responsible game for the 2nd time in a row.

They fought hard in the 50/50 battles and didn't make stupid decisions like throw the puck out to nobody on the PP to allow a SH goal. Pens won because of Sidney MF'n Crosby.

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probably because they need the refs to help them win close games
right..good one.

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I will gladly trade you Tortorella for Bylsma.

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OP is absolutely bang on. As soon as a Penguins d-man gets the puck, their forwards race up the ice leaving them no outlet pass.

As someone who doesn't watch very many Pens games, I was shocked at the number of times in today's game where all three forwards would be floating up at the red line, forcing the d-man to either make a really risky long pass or blindly fire the puck up the boards where it's at best 50/50 they'll recover it. Even nursing 3-2 and 4-2 leads they were doing this.

Pens have got to be one of the worst teams in the league for puck support. They only tend to have clean transitions when they start with a forward such as Crosby or Malkin already deep in their own end and able to rush the puck through the neutral zone with speed.

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OP is absolutely bang on. As soon as a Penguins d-man gets the puck, their forwards race up the ice leaving them no outlet pass.

As someone who doesn't watch very many Pens games, I was shocked at the number of times in today's game where all three forwards would be floating up at the red line, forcing the d-man to either make a really risky long pass or blindly fire the puck up the boards where it's at best 50/50 they'll recover it. Even nursing 3-2 and 4-2 leads they were doing this.

Pens have got to be one of the worst teams in the league for puck support. They only tend to have clean transitions when they start with a forward such as Crosby or Malkin already deep in their own end and able to rush the puck through the neutral zone with speed.
Exactly. This is Byslma's system year after year and it fails year after year in the playoffs.

We have skill on the front end. Why would we not want to attack with the puck on our stick and with speed? Instead we fire 50 foot stretch passes that we hope to tip into the zone.

It's garbage and has to change if this team wants to beat the Isles?

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