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05-06-2005, 12:15 PM
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Rating the new top 20

Since there is unfortunately, no leafs writer to do a new top 20, what would you all rate the new top 20? My ratings are below:

#1 - Carlo Colaiacovo - 7.5A
#2 - Alexander Steen - 7.5A
#3 - Kyle Wellwood - 7B
#4 - Ian White - 7B
#5 - Jeremy Williams - 7B
#6 - Justin Pogge - 7B
#7 - Robert Earl - 7C
#8 - Dmitri Vorobiev - 7C
#9 - John Mitchell - 6A
#10 - Jean-Francois Racine - 6B
#11 - Todd Ford - 6B
#12 - Martin Sagat - 6B
#13 - Markus Seikola - 6C
#14 - Staffan Kronwall - 6C
#15 - Alexander Shinkar - 6C
#16 - Ben Ondrus - 5.5A
#17 - Brendan Bell - 5A
#18 - Jay Harrison - 5A
#19 - Dominic D'Amour 5.0B
#20 - Konstantin Volkov - 5C

Bring on the critics

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05-06-2005, 01:07 PM
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Since there is unfortunately, no leafs writer to do a new top 20, what would you all rate the new top 20? My ratings are below:

#1 - Carlo Colaiacovo - 7.5A
#2 - Alexander Steen - 7.5A
#3 - Kyle Wellwood - 7B
#4 - Ian White - 7B
#5 - Jeremy Williams - 7B
#6 - Justin Pogge - 7B
#7 - Robert Earl - 7C
#8 - Dmitri Vorobiev - 7C
#9 - John Mitchell - 6A
#10 - Jean-Francois Racine - 6B
#11 - Todd Ford - 6B
#12 - Martin Sagat - 6B
#13 - Markus Seikola - 6C
#14 - Staffan Kronwall - 6C
#15 - Alexander Shinkar - 6C
#16 - Ben Ondrus - 5.5A
#17 - Brendan Bell - 5A
#18 - Jay Harrison - 5A
#19 - Dominic D'Amour 5.0B
#20 - Konstantin Volkov - 5C

Bring on the critics
That's not too bad actually. I'm not sure I have time to do my own right now so I'll just make these points for now.

- Racine and Seikola are too high. Racine may not even be in the Leafs plans and Seikola is getting older and hasn't been that impressive.

- Shinkar and Volkov don't belong in the top 20 IMO. Especially until someone can determine what exactly Volkov did this year because no one can even say where he played.

- Bell is too low. He didn't have a fantastic year or anything, but he's still a better prospect than guys like Shinkar, Seikola and Ondrus. Probably Kronwall too.

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05-06-2005, 01:11 PM
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What is the reasoning behind lowering the rankings of Colaiacovo, Steen, and Wellwood as examples?

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there's no leafs writer for this site? for the storied toronto maple leafs???? with a fan base as large as the leafs and all the armchair quarterbacks here who are experts?

should be ashamed!!

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05-06-2005, 01:14 PM
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What is the reasoning behind lowering the rankings of Colaiacovo, Steen, and Wellwood as examples?
probably because carlo and steen had bad seasons, and wellwood stunk the joint out in the playoffs.

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05-06-2005, 01:21 PM
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probably because carlo and steen had bad seasons, and wellwood stunk the joint out in the playoffs.
Ask Falon a question and I get a reply from a troll.

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Since there is unfortunately, no leafs writer to do a new top 20, what would you all rate the new top 20? My ratings are below:

#1 - Carlo Colaiacovo - 7.5A
#2 - Alexander Steen - 7.5A
#3 - Kyle Wellwood - 7B
#4 - Ian White - 7B
#5 - Jeremy Williams - 7B
#6 - Justin Pogge - 7B
#7 - Robert Earl - 7C
#8 - Dmitri Vorobiev - 7C
#9 - John Mitchell - 6A
#10 - Jean-Francois Racine - 6B
#11 - Todd Ford - 6B
#12 - Martin Sagat - 6B
#13 - Markus Seikola - 6C
#14 - Staffan Kronwall - 6C
#15 - Alexander Shinkar - 6C
#16 - Ben Ondrus - 5.5A
#17 - Brendan Bell - 5A
#18 - Jay Harrison - 5A
#19 - Dominic D'Amour 5.0B
#20 - Konstantin Volkov - 5C

Bring on the critics
Ouch, how does it come that Jay Harrison dropped so dramatically?

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05-07-2005, 08:40 AM
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there's no leafs writer for this site? for the storied toronto maple leafs???? with a fan base as large as the leafs and all the armchair quarterbacks here who are experts?

should be ashamed!!
is it your goal every day to try to be a bigger ass than the day before?

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Ask Falon a question and I get a reply from a troll.
i suppose you can think of a better reason?

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is it your goal every day to try to be a bigger ass than the day before?
truth hurts, doesn't it?

you don't find it odd that the mighty maple leafs, with all these posters who know everything about everything, can't find someone willing to step up? easy to spout off annonymously i guess.

some people aren't capable, they can't write. me included.

leafaholix should have been the man, but he was afraid to put his money where his mouth was. how about leaf army?? he's knows it all. good spelling and grammar! step up!

i woulda thought leafs fans would be lined up to be able to get themselves "published" and have their knowledge and opinions out there for the world to see.

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Harrison didn't drop at all

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Ouch, how does it come that Jay Harrison dropped so dramatically?

as previous 6C is almost the same as 5A rating in this list.

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I'd put Bell a head of Kronwall

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is it your goal every day to try to be a bigger ass than the day before?
Or are you just not understanding what is being said? Is it contradiction or choice. The problem with over valueing prospects is that it creates the illusion that we can win with them when, in fact they aren't really that good at all. For us to win we have to get serious and rebuild.

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Since there is unfortunately, no leafs writer to do a new top 20, what would you all rate the new top 20? My ratings are below:

Bring on the critics

1...#3 - Kyle Wellwood - 7B
2...#8 - Dmitri Vorobiev - 7C
3...#4 - Ian White - 7B
4...#14 - Staffan Kronwall - 6C
5...#1 - Carlo Colaiacovo - 7.5A
6...#15 - Alexander Shinkar - 6C
7...#2 - Alexander Steen - 7.5A
8...#6 - Justin Pogge - 7B
9..#12 - Martin Sagat - 6B
10...#5 - Jeremy Williams - 7B
11..#9 - John Mitchell - 6A
12..#10 - Jean-Francois Racine - 6B
13..#11 - Todd Ford - 6B
14..#13 - Markus Seikola - 6C
15..#16 - Ben Ondrus - 5.5A
16..#17 - Brendan Bell - 5A
17.. #7 - Robert Earl - 7C
18..#18 - Jay Harrison - 5A
19..#19 - Dominic D'Amour 5.0B
20.. #20 - Konstantin Volkov - 5C

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05-07-2005, 06:54 PM
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i suppose you can think of a better reason?
I was hoping for something less idiotic but that would have to come from someone else.

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I was hoping for something less idiotic but that would have to come from someone else.
hmmmm, their rankings went down because their play went down.

doesn't seem so idiotic to me. why else would their rankings go down?

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hmmmm, their rankings went down because their play went down.

doesn't seem so idiotic to me. why else would their rankings go down?
So, who said that their play went down? No one that I know of.

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One deleted post and a handful of veiled insults don't make Rand happy.
Luckily Rand is tired and wants to go to sleep, so you get off for now.

Now be nice little posters while I'm asleep so I won't have to dream of warnings and bans.

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So, who said that their play went down? No one that I know of.
are we just going to argue in circles?

their rankings went down, right? isn't that a pretty good indication that, in the opinion of whoever made up those rankings, their play went downhill?

why else would their rankings go down?

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are we just going to argue in circles?

their rankings went down, right? isn't that a pretty good indication that, in the opinion of whoever made up those rankings, their play went downhill?

why else would their rankings go down?
Because they had gender change operations.

Because they refused to answer any questions from evaluators.

Because there is not anyone rating them so we used a Ouija board and it got warped in the rain.

Because some of them were found out...

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their rankings went down, right? isn't that a pretty good indication that, in the opinion of whoever made up those rankings, their play went downhill?

. . .
That assumes Falon is responsible for the orignal set of rankings as well- and I gather that's not the case. Perhaps he just felt that the original rankings were high (if he even consulted them- which he didn't need to do).

And I don't think its a stretch to suggest that Wellwood improved his value as a prospect this season.

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And I don't think its a stretch to suggest that Wellwood improved his value as a prospect this season.

Kind of hard to tell when a player is top 4 in the league whether that mean's he's any better than the previous season I guess.

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Since there is unfortunately, no leafs writer to do a new top 20, what would you all rate the new top 20? My ratings are below:

#1 - Carlo Colaiacovo - 7.5A
. . .
Bring on the critics

A few subjective thoughts:
I am personally more excited about John Mitchell than Jeremy Williams.

No bets on Pogge until he demonstrates an ability to play at the pro level. I'm happy to have him as a prospect, but, for now I'm not expecting anything.

I consider Vorobiev a fairly safe bet to play at the NHL level (possibly you agree with me- I am too lazy to go see what the numbers stand for, exactly).

Over all, I think it is a sensible and cautious list. The order is pretty reasonable and you don't seem to really over-rate anybody.

Finally, I would like to start a campaign to have Doherty rated as a 7F.

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I'm not sure I'm getting the lack of love for Bell, he was probobly one of the baby Leafs more reliable defenceman, who definatly deserves to be higher than he's being placed.

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I'm not sure I'm getting the lack of love for Bell, he was probobly one of the baby Leafs more reliable defenceman, who definatly deserves to be higher than he's being placed.
Indeed he was a fairly reliable player for the Baby Leafs. He was not dominant, though, and I am beginning to lose hope that he will ever make an impact at the NHL level.

In contrast, Colaiacovo looked very good whenever he wasn't injured ( ) , White was very strong for a rookie, and Wozniewski- in his brief season- looked liked the player Harrison was supposed to be.

Honestly, I think even Marc Moro has a better chance than Bell to play for Toronto.

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