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09-25-2003, 06:27 AM
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Best or Worst Trades that Never Happened.

This goes along with the thread about the deal that almost went down sending Markus Naslund to Ottawa for a mid-round pick.

What are some other Good or Bad trades that almost happened but didn't


I'll start the ball rolling with...

Patrice Brisebois to New Jersey for Oleg Tverdovsky.


(also, maybe someone could shed some light on this Hoglund to Minnesota deal that almost went down)

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Well, one of the most hyped deals that never went through is probably the Ranger's deal to get Lindros originally that never went through because Quebec accepted the Philly deal first. The original deal was reported to be:

John Vanbiesbrouck
James Patrick
Tony Amonte
Alexei Kovalev
20-25 million in cash

for Lindros

I'm not certain if this was the actual deal or not. My searching brought this up as the rumoured offer from New York. THere probably were draft picks thrown in there as well, but I'm not certain.

If it was the offer, it's pretty scary to think that maybe the Nordiques were pretty safe with either offer given to them.

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Yzerman to the Sens back in 95 or 96.

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I'm absolutely certain that Doug Weight was part of the NYR-Lindros package, too.

One that would have been interesting - when Brian Burke traded Pavel Bure, he pulled the trigger faster than he should have because he wanted to fire Mike Keenan (he had pledged not to until Bure was moved)...he was working towards a Jovanovski & Niedermayer for Bure deal, but settled for Jovanovski, Brown, Weekes and Gagner...dammit!

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Well, one of the most hyped deals that never went through is probably the Ranger's deal to get Lindros originally that never went through because Quebec accepted the Philly deal first. The original deal was reported to be:

John Vanbiesbrouck
James Patrick
Tony Amonte
Alexei Kovalev
20-25 million in cash

for Lindros

I'm not certain if this was the actual deal or not. My searching brought this up as the rumoured offer from New York. THere probably were draft picks thrown in there as well, but I'm not certain.

If it was the offer, it's pretty scary to think that maybe the Nordiques were pretty safe with either offer given to them.
I think the cash was closer to 15 million, and I think it was Doug Weight instead of Alexei Kovalev, although it could have been both.

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09-25-2003, 07:13 AM
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Mario Lemieux for Montreal's entire 1984 draft, Mario Lemieux for all three Stastny brothers.

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I think the cash was closer to 15 million, but other than that I'm pretty sure you're dead on.
How much cash did they get from the Flyers. I remember that the Ranger deal included more cash, which is why Quebec preferred that deal, which lead to the whole controversy.

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09-25-2003, 07:22 AM
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How much cash did they get from the Flyers. I remember that the Ranger deal included more cash, which is why Quebec preferred that deal, which lead to the whole controversy.
Actually I've changed my post after seeing BES' comment about Weight, he might have been in it. The Flyers gave 15 million, so off hand I think the Rangers offered 15-20. I don't think it was a whole lot more. I have a history of the Flyers book at home that details the entire ordeal [a really good, objective read], in it is the Rangers offer that for lack of a better term is "confirmed to be unconfirmed." When I get home I'll look it up.

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Actually I've changed my post after seeing BES' comment about Weight, he might have been in it.
I know. I didn't change it in my reply because I like to preserve evidence of people agreeing with me. It's a pretty rare thing in my world.

As for the original deal, my hunch is that it was $20 mil, but we probably will never be sure. As for Weight, he could have been in the deal. My source isn't that reliable. I dug up an old Usenet post that discussed the two trade offers at the time. The Philly offer is way off though, so it's more fuel to the fire that it's not accurate, but it is quite entertaining to read 10 year old evaluations of players. I've posted the link below.

http://*******.com/onft

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I found another Usenet post on the Rangers offer, also probably unreliable, but it's a little different than the original.

"The Rangers had offered Tony Amonte, Doug Weight,
Alexei Kovalev, James Patric, John Vanbiesbrouck, three No. 1
draft picks, and $12 million. "

Here's the link to that post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...691aa8&rnum=14

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Holy hell. You'll never see offers like that again.

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Holy hell. You'll never see offers like that again.
Yup, it's funny to think that the Nordiques may have actually made the wrong decision when they took the Philly offer.

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Holy hell. You'll never see offers like that again.
Wait until this years draft...with Ovechin.

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Yup, it's funny to think that the Nordiques may have actually made the wrong decision when they took the Philly offer.
One player made that deal lopsided...Peter Forsberg.

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Mario Lemieux for Montreal's entire 1984 draft, Mario Lemieux for all three Stastny brothers.
if that's true, it's a good thing from a Habs perspective

the 1984 draft gave us Patrick Roy, Stephane Richer, Shayne corson and Petr Svoboda...

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Lecavalier for Spezza and Bonk.

Thank God the Lightning turned that one down.

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One player made that deal lopsided...Peter Forsberg.
Kovalev, Weight and Amonte aren't that bad for a consolation prize. Also, I think Beezer would have been a better goalie for Quebec than Hextall, giving them a better shot at winning the cup before they moved, perhaps even keeping the team where it was.

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if that's true, it's a good thing from a Habs perspective

the 1984 draft gave us Patrick Roy, Stephane Richer, Shayne corson and Petr Svoboda...
I'm sorry, it was Minnesota who offered the entire draft.

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Mario Lemieux for Montreal's entire 1984 draft, Mario Lemieux for all three Stastny brothers.
geesh, if Pittsburgh did that deal and played their cards right, they could have gotten

Gary Roberts
Kevin Hatcher
Stephane Richer
Patrick Roy
Ray Sheppard
Kris King (for their gooning needs)
Kirk McLean
Brett Hull
Luc Robataille
Gary Suter
Kevin Miller

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Check the post right above yours.


Mario Lemieux

for

David Quinn
Ken Hodge
Miroslav Maly
Jiri Poner
Kari Takko
Gary McColgan
Vladimir Kyhos
Darin McInnis
Duane Wahlin
Mike Orn
Tom Terwilliger
Mike Nightengale

I'll pass.

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The best trades never to happen for me involve Lecavalier.

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Check the post right above yours.


Mario Lemieux

for

David Quinn
Ken Hodge
Miroslav Maly
Jiri Poner
Kari Takko
Gary McColgan
Vladimir Kyhos
Darin McInnis
Duane Wahlin
Mike Orn
Tom Terwilliger
Mike Nightengale

I'll pass.
oh you posted as i was making mine

so if they still worked a miracle in the draft they could have gotten

Kevin Hatcher
Patrick Roy
Kris King
Brett Hull
Don Sweeney
Luc Robitaille
Kevin Miller

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Poti for McLaren.

Boy am i glad we got Mike York instead of Kyle McLaren.

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i remember hearing that the only reason the Canucks didnt deal Naslund to OTT for Neckar was because the night they consumated the deal, a Canuck got injured (Mogilny I think) so the trade was off.

Naslund for Neckar. Ouch.

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Owen Nolan, Mike Ricci, Steve Duchene for Patrick Roy after 93' cup by habs

Hackett and a first rounder for Simon Gagne

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