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05-30-2013, 10:04 PM
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I'm a fan of acquiring immediate, long-term help ... but only if the price is right. I'm not a fan of bringing in anyone with a superiority complex, or anyone who feels entitled ... so it had better be the right fit all around to make me happy.
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Lets play GM here. Who in the hell would we be talking about then?

Someone that is a young, star type player (under 25)?

Like Bobby Ryan good? Or Matt Duchene? Or another level down from those guys?

If so, who would belong in that next tier? Throw out some names here. Lets hear it.

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Look for us to trade picks with teams at or above the cap.

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If so, who would belong in that next tier? Throw out some names here. Lets hear it.
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? SL or anyone really

Lets play GM here. Who in the hell would we be talking about then?

Someone that is a young, star type player (under 25)?

Like Bobby Ryan good? Or Matt Duchene? Or another level down from those guys?

If so, who would belong in that next tier? Throw out some names here. Lets hear it.
This is where I don't think a deal will happen ... we can't afford, cap-wise, to get into a Bobby Ryan or Matt Duchene type deal ... because the teams looking to deal them are probably looking to shed salary and thus, will not be willing to take any back the other way. The only other option here might be an amnesty buyout, which is certainly a possible one, but will it happen?

Realistically, I think we find a partner with a glut of young players at a given position, who might be looking to add depth at another position via the draft. So then you look at, who has young roster players at one position, who needs to add depth at another position and has time to allow selected players to develop? Perhaps a team like Philadelphia, who would be looking to re-stock the cupboards all around, might be willing to part with a Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier? Does that even help us much immediately?

I understand what Jarmo and co. are trying to do, but I don't see us making a deal like this work ... with the cap dropping down, most teams are already having difficulties just keeping the guys that they want to keep around ... Jackets included.
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Not a fan of acquiring a guy who had one good year ... particularly not one who played alongside Alexander Semin and Eric Staal.

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05-31-2013, 06:46 AM
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"It seems like it's a good draft, but I always am kind of cautious about getting too excited about the good drafts or too pessimistic when people say it's a down year because someone will always surprise you in a good way or, unfortunately, in a bad way," Kekalainen told NHL.com at the NHL Scouting Combine. "Either way, we're excited for our franchise with three first-round picks."

"We're going to keep our options open and we're going to be open for talks," he said. "I've expressed the willingness to move one of those picks [prior to making a selection] if we could get some help for our team. But we're not looking for any short-term fix or a quick solution. We're looking for a top prospect in return or a player that's still young and can contribute for our team for the long term.

"We might be looking to move up, or move back, but it all comes down to what's available at the time our pick comes up."

"I think you'll find a lot of opinions; there are a lot of good prospects at the top and at the end of the day, everyone is going to make their own decision, but it's probably closer this year than in some of the other years," Kekalainen said. "When it's close, and especially with the multiple picks we have, a tiebreaker could be selecting a position of need. As a principle, though, I would always take the best player available."

Kekalainen's reasoning behind that is simple.

"Your needs might change by the time that player is ready to contribute for your team," he said. "It usually takes four to five years. Suppose one draft year we are in need of a defender, and we choose a defender. But what happens in four to five years when we all of a sudden have a completely different picture with our team?"

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05-31-2013, 08:09 AM
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Before you guys jump me for bringing it up again - what do you guys think of this?

Murray, our pick, and the kings pick for MacKinnon.

I bring it up for discussion because I would much rather have Mack than Drouin which is what was previously discussed and think it would take this kind of offer to get him. With COL open to trading the pick - what are your thoughts?

This way we could end up with Mackinnon and draft a defenseman at 18.
what if it were Johansen in place of Murray? Johansen + two firsts for MacKinnon? Crazy?

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what if it were Johansen in place of Murray? Johansen + two firsts for MacKinnon? Crazy?
Beyond crazy. Flat-out stupid. You don't give up a potential #1C and two firsts for a potential #1C. That's bad asset management

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05-31-2013, 08:25 AM
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Beyond crazy. Flat-out stupid. You don't give up a potential #1C and two firsts for a potential #1C. That's bad asset management
I'd do Murray and a 1st (either 19, 27-30). That's as far as I'd go.

Maybe Murray and our 14th overall. But that's really a stretch.

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Ahh, I remember the days when we could have traded Murray for some teams entire draft. The good old days.

June 30th cannot get here soon enough.

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05-31-2013, 09:13 AM
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Ahh, I remember the days when we could have traded Murray for some teams entire draft. The good old days.

June 30th cannot get here soon enough.
LMAO.

To be fair, it would have probably been Murray for Griffin Reinhart and a bunch of worthless picks (late). Edit: (Waiting for the random poster to lecture me about how many Red Wings stars were taken after the 1st round).

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05-31-2013, 09:34 AM
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This is where I don't think a deal will happen ... we can't afford, cap-wise, to get into a Bobby Ryan or Matt Duchene type deal ... because the teams looking to deal them are probably looking to shed salary and thus, will not be willing to take any back the other way. The only other option here might be an amnesty buyout, which is certainly a possible one, but will it happen?

Realistically, I think we find a partner with a glut of young players at a given position, who might be looking to add depth at another position via the draft. So then you look at, who has young roster players at one position, who needs to add depth at another position and has time to allow selected players to develop? Perhaps a team like Philadelphia, who would be looking to re-stock the cupboards all around, might be willing to part with a Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier? Does that even help us much immediately?

I understand what Jarmo and co. are trying to do, but I don't see us making a deal like this work ... with the cap dropping down, most teams are already having difficulties just keeping the guys that they want to keep around ... Jackets included.


Not a fan of acquiring a guy who had one good year ... particularly not one who played alongside Alexander Semin and Eric Staal.
I agree with you on both parts. I think we are just putting it out there to see what a team may offer. I don't think we expect to trade pick(s) only for a player.

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05-31-2013, 09:36 AM
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I agree with everything in this article. Thanks.

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what if it were Johansen in place of Murray? Johansen + two firsts for MacKinnon? Crazy?
Yes.

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Could be. Hopefully is. Although I read the comment to mean they are looking for both which could mean more than one guy.
How about Jakub Silverberg (Ottawa)?

Young (check)
Positional need (check)
High upside (check)
Proven (somewhat)

Maybe the 19th overall would get talks started.

Thoughts?

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How about Jakub Silverberg (Ottawa)?

Young (check)
Positional need (check)
High upside (check)
Proven (somewhat)

Maybe the 19th overall would get talks started.

Thoughts?
Can you think of a reason OTT would do that? ("To help the CBJ out" is not an acceptable answer.)

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Can you think of a reason OTT would do that? ("To help the CBJ out" is not an acceptable answer.)
They have a ton of young players all the same age who will need paid at the same time in 2 years.

Maybe I'm way off here, and I like Silverberg but he's not Logan Couture or any great young player yet. I mean hell, all we got for a young 40 goal scorer was a second pairing defenseman and a late first round pick (27-30).

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They have a ton of young players all the same age who will need paid at the same time in 2 years.

Maybe I'm way off here, and I like Silverberg but he's not Logan Couture or any great young player yet. I mean hell, all we got for a young 40 goal scorer was a second pairing defenseman and a late first round pick (27-30).
Carter wasn't that with Jackets... and we got little more than that imo.

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They have a ton of young players all the same age who will need paid at the same time in 2 years.

Maybe I'm way off here, and I like Silverberg but he's not Logan Couture or any great young player yet. I mean hell, all we got for a young 40 goal scorer was a second pairing defenseman and a late first round pick (27-30).
What trade is this? Certainly not the Carter one..

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what if it were Johansen in place of Murray? Johansen + two firsts for MacKinnon? Crazy?
No, it's not crazy. It's completely bat**** insane.

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How about Jakub Silverberg (Ottawa)?

Young (check)
Positional need (check)
High upside (check)
Proven (somewhat)

Maybe the 19th overall would get talks started.

Thoughts?
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Can you think of a reason OTT would do that? ("To help the CBJ out" is not an acceptable answer.)
I'd argue that Burmistrov in Winnipeg is worth pursuing. Young (21), positional need (can play center or wing), high upside (yes). The only question is "proven". And from seeing him play, I'd say that the worst case scenario is Manny Malhotra. He's an excellent defensive forward, one of the best in the game. He's extremely smart positionally and situationally.

The only thing is that his offense hasn't come around. But in my opinion, this is the same thing that plagued Anisimov in New York. He's not going to be put on the first line because he's unproven. He'll get a couple of games on the second line, then be immediately dropped if he doesn't produce there. That means he's stuck on the third and fourth lines with stonehanded forwards like Tanner Glass or Aaron Gagnon, and then everyone wonders why he doesn't produce points.

And, above all, Winnipeg may well be looking to move him. I do know that Noel isn't a fan of his.

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Some names that I think would be targets....

Neidereiter (NYI)
Burmistrov (WPG)
Brayden Schenn (PHI)
Jennsen(VAN)
Paajarvi(EDM)
Seguin(BOS)
Stepan(NYR)
Kreider(NYR)
Voracek(PHI)
Johansson(WSH)
Stewart(STL)
Eller(MON)
JVR(TOR)

I'm not saying they are available and some would cost a pretty penny (likely) but they fit the probable mode and based on some situations could be available. I don't know enough about "ready" prospects to add those but every one of these players would help the CBJ and could be part of the future core.

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-- The Blue Jackets will pick No. 14, No. 19 and either No. 27, 29 or 30 in the June 30 NHL draft. Well, those are the picks they own, anyway. Davidson and Kekalainen have been dangling those picks before the other 29 clubs for months now, even before they had numbers attached to them. The chances of the Blue Jackets walking to the podium for all three of those picks is supermodel slim. They could all be packaged to move way up in the draft. They could be packaged to acquire immediate help for the roster (re: scoring). It's going to be a fascinating draft in New Jersey.

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Carter wasn't that with Jackets... and we got little more than that imo.
Carter avg 32 goals the last five years (not counting this year). He had 15 last year in 39 game which put him on pace for a 30 goal season. And he has had a 40+goal season recently as well.

Jack Johnson by most accounts is a good second pairing defenseman. Maybe a 1st on some lesser teams.

And the LA pick is late.

This is the reality. I won't argue further.

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I'd argue that Burmistrov in Winnipeg is worth pursuing. Young (21), positional need (can play center or wing), high upside (yes). The only question is "proven". And from seeing him play, I'd say that the worst case scenario is Manny Malhotra. He's an excellent defensive forward, one of the best in the game. He's extremely smart positionally and situationally.

The only thing is that his offense hasn't come around.
That is why he would be pretty far down on my list of players to trade for. We already have a lot of forwards like that. We need someone who is good offensively.

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Some names that I think would be targets....

Neidereiter (NYI)
Burmistrov (WPG)
Brayden Schenn (PHI)
Jennsen(VAN)
Paajarvi(EDM)
Seguin(BOS)
Stepan(NYR)
Kreider(NYR)
Voracek(PHI)
Johansson(WSH)
Stewart(STL)
Eller(MON)
JVR(TOR)

I'm not saying they are available and some would cost a pretty penny (likely) but they fit the probable mode and based on some situations could be available. I don't know enough about "ready" prospects to add those but every one of these players would help the CBJ and could be part of the future core.
Excellent list XXoggz. Part of the reason I included Silverberg. He's a tier below many listed above. You're right though. I have no idea on the price.

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