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06-09-2013, 09:22 AM
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So the Kings pick is what number officially?

EDIT: Rob Mixer of the CBJ says it's probably #27 (don't understand the reason for any uncertainty)
It's 27.

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http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...003-draft.html

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NHL scouts speak of the 2003 draft with a hint of reverence, reluctant to say that any year could match that one in firepower. But for more than a year now, scouts have said that this year’s draft — set for June 30 in Newark, N.J. — could come close.

“I’ve heard (2003) brought up by a lot of the older scouts, a lot of the guys who have been doing it longer than I have,” Wright said. “That’s been going on clear back to last season. That’s how long people have been anticipating this year’s group.

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NHL scouts speak of the 2003 draft with a hint of reverence, reluctant to say that any year could match that one in firepower. But for more than a year now, scouts have said that this year’s draft — set for June 30 in Newark, N.J. — could come close.

“I’ve heard (2003) brought up by a lot of the older scouts, a lot of the guys who have been doing it longer than I have,” Wright said. “That’s been going on clear back to last season. That’s how long people have been anticipating this year’s group.
A good year to have 3 first round picks.

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The dispatch piece sure lends the impression that our scouts think highly of this draft, and think it will have elite talent even into the second round. If so, then starting from our deep but star-less roster, we have at least two routes to improvement:

1) The one we've all heard ad nauseum: trade up to Mackinnon for more certainty of getting a star, using current depth and/or other picks.

2) Trade some of our current depth for more picks, as teams tried to do in 2003.

Any proposals for route #2?

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The dispatch piece sure lends the impression that our scouts think highly of this draft, and think it will have elite talent even into the second round. If so, then starting from our deep but star-less roster, we have at least two routes to improvement:

1) The one we've all heard ad nauseum: trade up to Mackinnon for more certainty of getting a star, using current depth and/or other picks.

2) Trade some of our current depth for more picks, as teams tried to do in 2003.

Any proposals for route #2?
Or trade next year's picks for more 1st this year. Make a trade with calgary or buffalo for 2 more firsts.. Yes your leveraging the future for now, but if this draft is really a a close to '03 than it is without a doubt worth it.

Edit: wow if this were 2003 with our 14th pick we could have Brent Seabrook or Parise.
19th pick WAS Getzlaf(could've had Richards or Kessler) , and 27th could have landed us Corey Perry...with Weber and Eriksson still on the board..

Is it June 30th yet?!


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Or trade next year's picks for more 1st this year. Make a trade with calgary or buffalo for 2 more firsts.. Yes your leveraging the future for now, but if this draft is really a a close to '03 than it is without a doubt worth it.



Is it June 30th yet?!
I wouldn't do it, because I have no idea where we'll finish next year and that 1st rounder is our insurance policy.

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I wouldn't do it, because I have no idea where we'll finish next year and that 1st rounder is our insurance policy.
If this year is anywhere similar to 03 then having 4 or possibly 5 1st Rd picks would change the course of your organization. Sorry but if I have 5 first round picks in the "deepest draft since 03" I'm not worried about the draft next year. Because I just drafted my team for the next few years. Obviously there's a lot of different variables and pieces to consider but if we can maintain our depth while stocking up our prospect pool, count me the **** in. Anaheim acquired 2 franchise players in the bottom half of the first round... To me that's worth the risk..

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The dispatch piece sure lends the impression that our scouts think highly of this draft, and think it will have elite talent even into the second round. If so, then starting from our deep but star-less roster, we have at least two routes to improvement:

1) The one we've all heard ad nauseum: trade up to Mackinnon for more certainty of getting a star, using current depth and/or other picks.

2) Trade some of our current depth for more picks, as teams tried to do in 2003.

Any proposals for route #2?
Or..

3) Trade some picks for young NHL forwards with potential who can play now.

I think that's my favorite option.

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06-09-2013, 01:51 PM
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If this year is anywhere similar to 03 then having 4 or possibly 5 1st Rd picks would change the course of your organization. Sorry but if I have 5 first round picks in the "deepest draft since 03" I'm not worried about the draft next year. Because I just drafted my team for the next few years. Obviously there's a lot of different variables and pieces to consider but if we can maintain our depth while stocking up our prospect pool, count me the **** in. Anaheim acquired 2 franchise players in the bottom half of the first round... To me that's worth the risk..
This is a bit hard to discuss because you haven't made a specific proposal, but the most plausible deal I can think of (still not very plausible) would be something like Calgary's 22nd and 28th for our next year's first.

I'd do it if we have reason to believe Calgary's making a mistake in undervaluing this draft or Jay Feaster is crazy. I can't see any sane basis for two teams to make this sort of deal.

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Or..

3) Trade some picks for young NHL forwards with potential who can play now.

I think that's my favorite option.
I'm only in if they're first-liners.

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The problem with this is that most of the teams in win now mode is that either they have already traded a first like Pittsburg or they are unlikely to want what we would most like to give up. I would love to acquire a fourth first rounder but I'm not confident of being able to achieve it. There are a few possibilities however.

Philadelphia needs defence so they make potentially good trading partners.

Montreal has two picks in the 30s so I would kick tires with them to see what they might want.

Calgary has three picks in the first round an owner who doesn't seem to like the idea of rebuilding, though I concede the Iginla trade might finally signal an attitude change. Perhaps they might be prepared to give one up.

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Or trade next year's picks for more 1st this year. Make a trade with calgary or buffalo for 2 more firsts.. Yes your leveraging the future for now, but if this draft is really a a close to '03 than it is without a doubt worth it.

Edit: wow if this were 2003 with our 14th pick we could have Brent Seabrook or Parise.
19th pick WAS Getzlaf(could've had Richards or Kessler) , and 27th could have landed us Corey Perry...with Weber and Eriksson still on the board..

Is it June 30th yet?!
I completely disagree. It isn't worth it and I wouldn't do it. What if we end up getting the 1st or 2nd pick next year? Like I have said many times, I am not a fan of trading future first round picks.

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06-09-2013, 02:04 PM
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If this year is anywhere similar to 03 then having 4 or possibly 5 1st Rd picks would change the course of your organization. Sorry but if I have 5 first round picks in the "deepest draft since 03" I'm not worried about the draft next year. Because I just drafted my team for the next few years. Obviously there's a lot of different variables and pieces to consider but if we can maintain our depth while stocking up our prospect pool, count me the **** in. Anaheim acquired 2 franchise players in the bottom half of the first round... To me that's worth the risk..
A top pick next year is worth more than a couple of first round picks this year.

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06-09-2013, 02:06 PM
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I would be looking to do 2 things. Trade a player like Nikitin for draft pick(s). Trade down with one of our pick(s) to get extra 2nd round pick(s).

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The problem with this is that most of the teams in win now mode is that either they have already traded a first like Pittsburg or they are unlikely to want what we would most like to give up. I would love to acquire a fourth first rounder but I'm not confident of being able to achieve it. There are a few possibilities however.

Philadelphia needs defence so they make potentially good trading partners.

Montreal has two picks in the 30s so I would kick tires with them to see what they might want.

Calgary has three picks in the first round an owner who doesn't seem to like the idea of rebuilding, though I concede the Iginla trade might finally signal an attitude change. Perhaps they might be prepared to give one up.
I see the Philly option as being the most plausible. They are in win now mode and have very specific needs we can help them with. But I'm still not that excited about the players in that range, though.

Seeing all the discussion on the previous page about Shinkaruk, can someone talk him up a bit? I honestly think of an Ales Hemsky kind of player when I see him. Is that fair?

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A top pick next year is worth more than a couple of first round picks this year.
Oh yeah is that so? Please show me the careers of every player we draft this year and the player who goes top next year and I'll agree. Yeah it's ****** what happened to Toronto. But what if this draft is reminiscent of 03? I'll take 4 picks this year compared to 1 top 5 next year.. There are potential first line forwards all the way through the first into the 2nd round.

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I would be looking to do 2 things. Trade a player like Nikitin for draft pick(s). Trade down with one of our pick(s) to get extra 2nd round pick(s).
I could see Montreal being the one counterparty for both of those things. They have the 2nd's and they need a player like Nikitin (obvious after Emelin was injured). What about:

Nikitin and the #44 to Montreal for the #33 and the #35.

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Oh yeah is that so? Please show me the careers of every player we draft this year and the player who goes top next year and I'll agree. Yeah it's ****** what happened to Toronto. But what if this draft is reminiscent of 03? I'll take 4 picks this year compared to 1 top 5 next year.. There are potential first line forwards all the way through the first into the 2nd round.
It isn't 4 this year or 1 next year. We would still have 3 this year. So it is 3 and 1 or 4 and 0. There are many examples. It is how the Cavs got Kyrie Irving. I just don't think it is smart to trade a draft pick that could end up being a top pick.

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I could see Montreal being the one counterparty for both of those things. They have the 2nd's and they need a player like Nikitin (obvious after Emelin was injured). What about:

Nikitin and the #44 to Montreal for the #33 and the #35.
Not nearly enough coming back, IMO. I might do Nikitin for those 2 picks.

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Or..

3) Trade some picks for young NHL forwards with potential who can play now.

I think that's my favorite option.
Don't knw that it's my favorite but it's certainly a third option.

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If we don't sign Bob I'd definitely wouldn't trade away next year's number 1. Next year top 5 pick > another late pick or two this year.

Short of including it in a deal to get MacKinnon I don't even consider it.

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If we don't sign Bob I'd definitely wouldn't trade away next year's number 1. Next year top 5 pick > another late pick or two this year.

Short of including it in a deal to get MacKinnon I don't even consider it.
Well duh. The only way bob doesn't get signed is if he goes to play in the KHL. I fully expect Bob to be resigned AFTER the award ceremony.


Trading away next year's first is a risk I understand, but sometimes you just have to take that risk. It's up to Tyler Wright, his staff, JD, and JK to make that call. They've said they would explore every option. And if we can build onto our current team without any pieces leaving I think we'd be heading into the right direction.

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It isn't 4 this year or 1 next year. We would still have 3 this year. So it is 3 and 1 or 4 and 0. There are many examples. It is how the Cavs got Kyrie Irving. I just don't think it is smart to trade a draft pick that could end up being a top pick.
I get what you're saying about them getting picks, but you can't compare CBJ and the Cavs, Rick Nash was no LBJ. Maybe if it were crosby instead of Nash but. (Ik you weren't comparing organizations in that matter just the picks but I just wanted to throw it out there.

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I get what you're saying about them getting picks, but you can't compare CBJ and the Cavs, Rick Nash was no LBJ. Maybe if it were crosby instead of Nash but. (Ik you weren't comparing organizations in that matter just the picks but I just wanted to throw it out there.
What does Rick Nash and LeBron James have to do with any of this?

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What does Rick Nash and LeBron James have to do with any of this?
Probably would have fit better in the 2012 draft thread but Rick Nash was the face of the franchise, we bombed had a top 3 pick and traded him away. LBJ left the Cavs taking them from a contender to a bottom dweller over night, leaving them with no talent and having to pick first.

We aren't in danger of either of those scenarios happening to us(unless Bob goes to the KHL). We were one of the best teams in the league last year, and if it's possible to continue where we left off, except now we have the potential to be a year or two ahead without losing anything now. With potentially 4 or 5 1st Rd picks(if a deal was made depending on the picks themselves) our prospect pool could be filled within a season or two, with a overfilled stall of prospects ready to make the jump.

I really do get where you're coming from and why you don't want to trade future picks, but it's a calculated risk that has the "potential" to work out. And it also has the "potential" to fail miserably. I also understand us trading away futures, or anyone for that matter for MORE 1sts is very unlikely..when we are already talking about shipping some out now.

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