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05-08-2013, 11:46 PM
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Blues in 7. Mary Poppins is blowing sunshine up my a#@ and its awesome.

i see a more mature blues team this year. this series has a lot to do with bounces and mistakes. i think we have two good games to go with LA. and more after. please

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I know Schwartz got a stick on him but a hit with the stick isn't going to rotate voynovs hands. If we can find that last slo-mo clip we can chek but I am fairly certain the puck did not roll of the heel and V switched to a low shot last second

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We're all irritated and P'd off. I will not support anything other than Elliot could have been better and overall this team needs some GD finishers.

They can steal one in LA. Its not over. But for FS, I hate this. Its getting tiring to watch our goaltending and offense cost this franchise so many series. Year after f'ing year.

Will this franchise ever win? Voynov just slides one in the GD net. Its pathetic.

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Allen will be stellar or get eaten alive. I wouldn't be willing to risk it.
Exactly. Hey, I'm all about giving him a chance next season if that's what the powers that be see fit to do. Not against it, not gonna throw a fit if he's in. But putting him in now? Nooo.... I agree with the other poster who said it's not the goaltending that's the major issue in the series, and it's time for the offense to nut up.

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When it comes to Elliott... he gave up 1 goal in each of the first 3 games. There is no excuse for us not having 3 wins on the back of that. It isn't his fault that the team played like complete morons in Game 4 when they had a 2 goal lead and basically sold him out.

He let in a "soft" goal. It happens. Maybe if the team infront of him could grow a set and get their job done we wouldn't be losing this series.

People banging on about Quick should go back and look at the Steen winner in Game 1. Or the Jackman winner in Game 2.

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I know Schwartz got a stick on him but a hit with the stick isn't going to rotate voynovs hands. If we can find that last slo-mo clip we can chek but I am fairly certain the puck did not roll of the heel and V switched to a low shot last second
He wasn't aiming low. Look at Elliott's stick,it wasn't on the ice,but a few inches up,angled. The original shot would have gone high,a rotation of hands and it still goes higher,not along the ice. Unlucky bounce,it happens.

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In the next game, Allen will be stellar or get eaten alive. I wouldn't be willing to risk it.

Allen and Halak were playing mostly when the D was leaving goalies getting hung out to dry. The D has transformed back to last years form. I would to see Allen play behind this D next year.

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Brewer wasn't a top pairing defenseman either. Didn't stop Blues fans from questioning his captaincy, manhood, or effort on a nightly basis or from harrassing his family while they attended games. Tired of the special treatment and excuses for Backes. He is cast as a 1st line center on this team and is failing at his role. That makes his ability to hold others accountable compromised because his play in his role is as big of a reason why this team underachieves as any other player on the team. Tired of the excuses. McDonald and Stewart are stealing money from the team. Effort is there from Backes Oshie and Perron, but more is expected at the professional level than effort.
Seems to me that logic would dictate that Backes is doing the best he can with limited talent. Call me crazy, but if your team's top line center doesn't have first line talent, then the fault lies with the people who make the personnel decisions. Just a thought.
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Yeah, I understand people were all about Allen but he hasn't played enough. He could very well have a losing streak at some point in the near future, then everyone would hate on him and want to kick him to the curb, too. I'm not saying we couldn't possibly give him a chance in the future, but saying he's our best right now is a bit hasty, I think.
Elliott's play of late is certainly going to make things interesting next year

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When it comes to Elliott... he gave up 1 goal in each of the first 3 games. There is no excuse for us not having 3 wins on the back of that. It isn't his fault that the team played like complete morons in Game 4 when they had a 2 goal lead and basically sold him out.

He let in a "soft" goal. It happens. Maybe if the team infront of him could grow a set and get their job done we wouldn't be losing this series.

People banging on about Quick should go back and look at the Steen winner in Game 1. Or the Jackman winner in Game 2.
Excellent point.

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When it comes to Elliott... he gave up 1 goal in each of the first 3 games. There is no excuse for us not having 3 wins on the back of that. It isn't his fault that the team played like complete morons in Game 4 when they had a 2 goal lead and basically sold him out.

He let in a "soft" goal. It happens. Maybe if the team infront of him could grow a set and get their job done we wouldn't be losing this series.

People banging on about Quick should go back and look at the Steen winner in Game 1. Or the Jackman winner in Game 2.
Damn I was thinking the same thing, what if Elliott did what Quick did in Game 1? But no one is yammering on the LA board about how Quick sucks, lets get rid of Quick, it's all Quicks fault we're down 2. No, Kings came back, (refs? OK sorry nevermind not going there) and got their wins. Instead of blaming Elliott for a softie, the rest of the team should get it together, finish, hit the open net, if we had 3 goals then letting in one effing soft one wouldn't have to kill the damn game and give us a loss, right?

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It doesn't matter who is in goal. Quick isn't the problem,the Blues aren't hitting the net. It's really that simple.

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When it comes to Elliott... he gave up 1 goal in each of the first 3 games. There is no excuse for us not having 3 wins on the back of that. It isn't his fault that the team played like complete morons in Game 4 when they had a 2 goal lead and basically sold him out.

He let in a "soft" goal. It happens. Maybe if the team infront of him could grow a set and get their job done we wouldn't be losing this series.

People banging on about Quick should go back and look at the Steen winner in Game 1. Or the Jackman winner in Game 2.
Thank you. I'm glad somebody else gets it. Elliott has done everything you can ask of your goalie.

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Allen and Halak were playing mostly when the D was leaving goalies getting hung out to dry. The D has transformed back to last years form. I would to see Allen play behind this D next year.
Neither goalie has had a start since the regular season. I don't feel like pulling the stats to see when exactly. Both are extremely cold. Way too risky to start them, IMO, especially after how everybody felt about Hitch after the Tarasenko experiment.

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When it comes to Elliott... he gave up 1 goal in each of the first 3 games. There is no excuse for us not having 3 wins on the back of that. It isn't his fault that the team played like complete morons in Game 4 when they had a 2 goal lead and basically sold him out.

He let in a "soft" goal. It happens. Maybe if the team infront of him could grow a set and get their job done we wouldn't be losing this series.

People banging on about Quick should go back and look at the Steen winner in Game 1. Or the Jackman winner in Game 2.
That's a solid point. But he leaked two goals tonight and he was an idiot on the other. His anticipation was garbage. He bit and slid all the way out of the net and left it wide open. Its not his fault, this offense is horrid, but how does this team win anything without great goaltending? STAY IN THE NET

They cant and never will.

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We're all irritated and P'd off. I will not support anything other than Elliot could have been better and overall this team needs some GD finishers.

They can steal one in LA. Its not over. But for FS, I hate this. Its getting tiring to watch our goaltending and offense cost this franchise so many series. Year after f'ing year.

Will this franchise ever win? Voynov just slides one in the GD net. Its pathetic.
Calm down man. Again it was a bad goal, but Elliott read that he was going to shoot high. He telegraphed it all the way. Then he got slashed and whiffed and fooled Elliott. It happens. This game never should have made it to overtime anyway.

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On a side note, Hitch needs to pull his head out of his ass and sit Stewart. Give Frank a chance with some real minutes

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It's tough having a team with finishers when Hitch wants you throw pucks on net from every direction imaginable and pray for a rebound. You aren't teaching or emphasizing creativity playing this way. It's an ugly ass, boring, grinding style without creativity and I am losing interest in it quickly.

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Neither goalie has had a start since the regular season. I don't feel like pulling the stats to see when exactly. Both are extremely cold. Way too risky to start them, IMO, especially after how everybody felt about Hitch after the Tarasenko experiment.


Sorry, I was talking about next year. Definitely keep in Elliott for the remainder of this year.

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That's a solid point. But he leaked two goals tonight and he was an idiot on the other. His anticipation was garbage. He bit and slid all the way out of the net and left it wide open. Its not his fault, this offense is horrid, but how does this team win anything without great goaltending? STAY IN THE NET

They cant and never will.
For god's sake man, quit being such a negative nancy. We have gotten great goaltending this series. He gave up 3 goals through the first 3 games for Christ sake. That should be three wins. And in game 4 he was excellent. It wasn't his fault our defense **** the bed.

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On a side note, Hitch needs to pull his head out of his ass and sit Stewart. Give Frank a chance with some real minutes
Agreed,Frank's game requires more time on ice and responsibility. He has to be engaged in the game and paired with skill players,not grinders/muckers.

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On a side note, Hitch needs to pull his head out of his ass and sit Stewart. Give Frank a chance with some real minutes
Two games ago, I'd agree with this. After the Tarasenko experiment the other night, you couldn't pay me enough money to put Frank back into the lineup. The kid is completely lost on the ice, especially in the defensive zone. He's lucky that Hitch kept him on the bench so that LA didn't have a chance to expose him.

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Agreed,Frank's game requires more time on ice and responsibility. He has to be engaged in the game and paired with skill players,not grinders/muckers.
Exactly. 6 minutes with a grind line doesn't give him a hands to do anything. Put him with Sobi an let him run wild.

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Backes isn't a captain. He isn't a 1st line center. He is a defensive specialist 3rd line center and nothing more on a decent team. His offensive instincts are crap and he can be overexposed if he plays too many minutes.

On related notes, Hitchcock's refusal to roll the 4th line that has been effective all series played a big part in this loss. He has been outcoached all series. He has no idea how to handle a player like Tarasenko. And much of what other teams warned us about with him has held true.

Also, Oshie has been crap this series. He has scored two goals and cost us double that. His legend is far greater than his contribution.

Perron's offensive game is dead. He looks lost in trying to score goals and make passes. I don't understand how a previously gifted player lost so much, but he has. IT isn't lack of effort, but he looks like he transformed from Demitra to Atcheynum over the last 20 games.
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Two games ago, I'd agree with this. After the Tarasenko experiment the other night, you couldn't pay me enough money to put Frank back into the lineup. The kid is completely lost on the ice, especially in the defensive zone. He's lucky that Hitch kept him on the bench so that LA didn't have a chance to expose him.
He didn't look any worse than Stewart. Stewart has been completely and utterly useless. Frank wasn't going to do anything with 6 minutes in ice time

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Exactly. 6 minutes with a grind line doesn't give him a hands to do anything. Put him with Sobi an let him run wild.
Put him with a fricking number one center and let him run wild.

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