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05-09-2013, 11:37 AM
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Liles in for Fraser should really help the PK in these playoffs.

Fraser a +18 on the season and Liles a -1 at even strength also a big improvement defensively.

Liles is also better suited to deal with Bruins big forwards using his size, strength and physicality to neutralize their advantage.

Hopefully Fraser is okay soon, but in the meantime Liles is more than an adequate replacement for him in his absence.
Fraser has been exploited defensively all series long thanks to his lack of footspeed and inability to get to or move the puck out of danger.

we will be better at even strength with liles instead of fraser.

losing fraser may hurt our pk, though...which is why i'd rather have him in than o'byrne.

but hey, you probably still think o'byrne is covering gardiner defensively, and not noticing that the bruins are having a field day going up against our slug dmen.

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Damn, tough way to end your season.

Let's see what Blacker can do. I doubt he'll play much, but he has a chance to prove himself a bit.

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Not that strange then. No Marlies will be taken out of a game then. Blacker isnt playing unless we have another injury (and survive game 5), in which case we can call up another dman.
The only move that makes sense is to call up the guy that gives you the best chance to win.

The Marlies have 11 defenceman that can play. Outside of Ranger and Reilly the rest of them are all pretty much interchangeable at the AHL level.

Leafs must think Blacker is the next guy in the depth chart

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Kostka is 3X the player Blacker is at the moment, if he draws in, we are in serious trouble. People that watch the Marlies knows this, too bad Ranger cannot play. I would go with Kevin Marshall but perhaps we have bigger plans for Kevin, Percy and Morgan, and don't want to throw them to the wolves.

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Kostka has a broken finger
Might make his passes more accurate.

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Liles in for Fraser should really help the PK in these playoffs.

Fraser a +18 on the season and Liles a -1 at even strength also a big improvement defensively.

Liles is also better suited to deal with Bruins big forwards using his size, strength and physicality to neutralize their advantage.

Hopefully Fraser is okay soon, but in the meantime Liles is more than an adequate replacement for him in his absence.
Liles has veteran playoff experience, and remember what you were saying about Gardiner getting exploited by the bruins? How did that work out


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The only move that makes sense is to call up the guy that gives you the best chance to win.

The Marlies have 11 defenceman that can play. Outside of Ranger and Reilly the rest of them are all pretty much interchangeable at the AHL level.

Leafs must think Blacker is the next guy in the depth chart
Carlyle likes to have 7 D-man on the active roster. Of those 11 defencemen with the Marlies a few of them are on AHL contracts, and not signed by the Leafs (this includes Ranger) Those that can be called up are:

Mike Komisarek
Mike Mottau
Korbinian Holzer
Simon Gysbers
Kevin Marshall
Stuart Percy
Andrew MacWilliam
Morgan Rielly
Jesse Blacker

Of those you can take out Komisarek (that ship has sailed), Reilly and Percy (they are not going be called out of a important play-off run to sit and watch NHL playoff hockey) the others are all playing important runs on the Marlies, and whoever is called up is now going to play right now.

Call up Jesse Blacker who ahs only played in one game, and if someone else gets injured then you can call up someone who is acutally going to play. Probably the same reasoning used when Blacker was called up earlier in the season.

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05-09-2013, 12:01 PM
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Kostka is 3X the player Blacker is at the moment, if he draws in, we are in serious trouble. People that watch the Marlies knows this, too bad Ranger cannot play. I would go with Kevin Marshall but perhaps we have bigger plans for Kevin, Percy and Morgan, and don't want to throw them to the wolves.


your posts are great most of the time
but this one is not good at all
blacker has shown a ton of improvement this year
he is IMO a dark horse to make the leafs next season

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05-09-2013, 12:07 PM
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I hate to see a player injured but Fraser was a fish out of water in this series and was extremely exposed by the speed and strength of the boston forecheck. To beat their forecheck you need to have players who can move the puck. There were countless times Fraser made huge mistakes with his puck movement which cost us goals and games. Our blueline has looked better with Gardiner and his passing ability. I thought Liles looked good in game 1 and should be back in for game 5.

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05-09-2013, 01:37 PM
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Fraser a +18 on the season and Liles a -1 at even strength also a big improvement defensively.
I've noticed you use +/- a lot to gauge a player's defensive value. It's bothersome.

(I haven't been able to watch enough games to properly evaluate Fraser or Liles this year, but just for some perspective from a less flawed stat, Fraser's also had the highest PDO in the league)

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I've noticed you use +/- a lot to gauge a player's defensive value. It's bothersome.

(I haven't been able to watch enough games to properly evaluate Fraser or Liles this year, but just for some perspective from a less flawed stat, Fraser's also had the highest PDO in the league)
+/- is a really flawed horrible stat, your absolutely right.

Heres proof:

Jeff Schultz was a +50 in 2009-2010 for the caps
Jeff Schultz is now a -6 in 2012-2013 for the caps and a regular healthy scratch.

Wouldn't be surprised is Fraser is a -10 next season for the leafs. Plus people need to realize that he was matched with Kadri's line for the majority of the season, and Kadri was on fire for a long time and Fraser picked up his +, which is why him and Kadri have similar +/-

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your posts are great most of the time
but this one is not good at all
blacker has shown a ton of improvement this year
he is IMO a dark horse to make the leafs next season
Blacker thinks the game at a snails pace, he has the tools but the pace of the Bruibs will eat him up at this stage, Jesse needs more time. He's not a bust, but he needs to simplify and stay at home and remake his game. I doubt he will ever translate the OHL offence to the pros.

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What's Randy going to do with all those left-handed shots. lol

Blacker probably won't play, But I would be surprised if he did given that^

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Strange to call up Blacker. He was a scratch for the first two playoff games I saw.
Which is probably why he was called up.

Needed an extra for practice and didn't want to hurt the Marlies too much, who themselves are in the middle of the playoffs.

Liles will draw in next game, no doubt about it. Hopefully Fraser has a full recovery and can come back strong next season.


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Might make his passes more accurate.
and easily picked off by the Bruins!

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Fraser, O'Bryne, Kostka are fillers and should not be considered long term 3rd. pairing defenders for a team competing for the Cup.

Key is that the team is still rebuilding with the answers being cooked in Europe and junior.

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Fraser, O'Bryne, Kostka are fillers and should not be considered long term 3rd. pairing defenders for a team competing for the Cup.

Key is that the team is still rebuilding with the answers being cooked in Europe and junior.
Blacker - Finn.

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Fraser, O'Bryne, Kostka are fillers and should not be considered long term 3rd. pairing defenders for a team competing for the Cup.

Key is that the team is still rebuilding with the answers being cooked in Europe and junior.
Totally agree. Those 3 are no way involved in long-term plans, but I can see Fraser being kept as a depth D

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blacker cant be any worse than o'byrne

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They definitely think rather highly of Blacker, who has shown really good improvement in hos game, and decision making this year. Not being set back by a bunch of injuries certainly helped him take a good step forward this year.

He'll get to practice with the big boys, and be around the playoff atmosphere. His development becomes all the more important, with the way our defense has played in this series, and this season.

They'll be taking a good hard look at him at camp next year.

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You guys do realize that an entire offensive small D is open to being beaten up.

Who exactly is going to engage with the Hortons and Lucic's in front of the net? Liles???

We have to have 2 tough big D or we will get exploited next year

Not saying Fraser Obryne our the guys..just my point is in the playoffs as we see its war..

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Going to suck losing Fraser.

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your posts are great most of the time
but this one is not good at all
blacker has shown a ton of improvement this year
he is IMO a dark horse to make the leafs next season
Really?

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Liles in for Fraser should really help the PK in these playoffs.

Fraser a +18 on the season and Liles a -1 at even strength also a big improvement defensively.

Liles is also better suited to deal with Bruins big forwards using his size, strength and physicality to neutralize their advantage.

Hopefully Fraser is okay soon, but in the meantime Liles is more than an adequate replacement for him in his absence.
What you've done here would be play if we're talking comparable players, JML is a top 4 defence man with more than adequate skills in his own end, mark Fraser is a plug who has benefitted from sheltered minutes.

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