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05-21-2013, 04:07 PM
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Top 50 players trade value: oilers edition

Just found this and its very interesting.

http://www.anguscertified.com/the-se...alue-rankings/

It ranks the top 50 players by their actual TRADE value, taking into account salary cap, age, terms etc.

The top 5 are

1. Crosby (of course)
2. Tavares
3. Stamkos
4. Toews
5. Taylor Hall (!!!)

Nail Yakupov is number 25, RNH is 29. Ebs and schultz jr are outside of the list.

This is a great list, a honest assessment not based on homer glasses but on contracts/pay/skill etc. Of course fans from teams will disagree, but other than a few placements of players, it sets up equal value for trades.

For example, Yak is between Pietrangelo and Price in value on this list (remember that future value and contracts etc come into play on this)

Very very interesting. Some huge names are not on this, because of age or salary cap issues etc. These are just the top 50 player assets. I'm going to use these on the main board, watch other teams fans head explode when reality hits.


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05-21-2013, 04:45 PM
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That is perfectly reasonable. We have 3 young first overall picks, who usually end up having a ridiculous amount of value.

Many HF posters don't have a good assessment on how development, age, and contract affect a player's value. You'll see it a lot on the trade forum - just look at offers for Yakupov.

I disagree with some of his assessments (e.g. I think Chara is way too old to still have a ton of value), but I like his list overall.

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You mean edition not addition. Interesting read.

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05-21-2013, 04:58 PM
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Just found this and its very interesting.

http://www.anguscertified.com/the-se...alue-rankings/

It ranks the top 50 players by their actual TRADE value, taking into account salary cap, age, terms etc.

The top 5 are

1. Crosby (of course)
2. Tavares
3. Stamkos
4. Toews
5. Taylor Hall (!!!)

Nail Yakupov is number 25, RNH is 29. Ebs and schultz jr are outside of the list.

This is a great list, a honest assessment not based on homer glasses but on contracts/pay/skill etc. Of course fans from teams will disagree, but other than a few placements of players, it sets up equal value for trades.

For example, Yak is between Pietrangelo and Price in value on this list (remember that future value and contracts etc come into play on this)

Very very interesting. Some huge names are not on this, because of age or salary cap issues etc. These are just the top 50 player assets. I'm going to use these on the main board, watch other teams fans head explode when reality hits.
I don't know if I would go as far to say that Hall is the best of the kids. It is still way to early to tell.. last year everyone thought Eberle was, now this year everyone thinks Hall is. I'm sure we will all think RNH or Yak will be the best of the bunch later.

Glad to see some Oilers getting recognition though.

Here is some food for thought. Comparing Hall to Tavaras points wise:

1st year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.66ppg
Hall: 0.65ppg

2nd year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.85ppg
Hall: 0.87ppg

3rd year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.99ppg
Hall: 1.11ppg

4th year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.98ppg
Hall: N/A


Tavaras took a lateral step this year in terms of points per game but his overall game improved. If Hall continues to improve at this rate (prob unlikely) than he projects around a 1.3ppg putting him at 106pts in 82 games.

We can dream right?

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05-21-2013, 05:17 PM
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I don't know if I would go as far to say that Hall is the best of the kids. It is still way to early to tell.. last year everyone thought Eberle was, now this year everyone thinks Hall is. I'm sure we will all think RNH or Yak will be the best of the bunch later.

Glad to see some Oilers getting recognition though.

Here is some food for thought. Comparing Hall to Tavaras points wise:

1st year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.66ppg
Hall: 0.65ppg

2nd year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.85ppg
Hall: 0.87ppg

3rd year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.99ppg
Hall: 1.11ppg

4th year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.98ppg
Hall: N/A


Tavaras took a lateral step this year in terms of points per game but his overall game improved. If Hall continues to improve at this rate (prob unlikely) than he projects around a 1.3ppg putting him at 106pts in 82 games.

We can dream right?
pssht seems completely reasonable to me

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Nice list very intersting

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Oilers edition? This is NHL edition...

We should do one for Oilers based on trade value...

1.Hall
2.Nuge
3.Yak
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47. Smyth
48. Horcoff
49. Plante
50. Omark

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Oilers edition? This is NHL edition...

We should do one for Oilers based on trade value...

1.Hall
2.Nuge
3.Yak
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47. Smyth
48. Horcoff
49. Plante
50. Omark
They wouldn't make the list

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They wouldn't make the list
considering we have a roster\contract limit of 50 .. they should make the list

edit.. nvm.. i lied

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Can someone please post this on CP and break the internet

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Can someone please post this on CP and break the internet
"Hall should even be on the top 50! He is too reckless and will be worthless with all his injuries!"

" Ebs had one good season and his shooting percentage!"

" Seguin is worth more than any player on their team"

" Benn over any of the big four"

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did luongo make the list?

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"The Oilers couldn’t screw up his development even if they tried." --- I LoLed at that.

I love Hall, but I'm not ready to hold him that high up on the list... but seriously... yay.

For the most part I thought it was a good list. I would've had Datsuk a lot higher, though.

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For the most part I thought it was a good list. I would've had Datsuk a lot higher, though.
I think the main thing against him is age (he's 34). I can see him playing 3-4 years at this level at the most.

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I would put Toews at 2, stamkos at 3, and tavares at 4.

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I don't know if I would go as far to say that Hall is the best of the kids. It is still way to early to tell.. last year everyone thought Eberle was, now this year everyone thinks Hall is. I'm sure we will all think RNH or Yak will be the best of the bunch later.

Glad to see some Oilers getting recognition though.

Here is some food for thought. Comparing Hall to Tavaras points wise:

1st year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.66ppg
Hall: 0.65ppg

2nd year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.85ppg
Hall: 0.87ppg

3rd year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.99ppg
Hall: 1.11ppg

4th year in NHL:
Tavaras: 0.98ppg
Hall: N/A


Tavaras took a lateral step this year in terms of points per game but his overall game improved. If Hall continues to improve at this rate (prob unlikely) than he projects around a 1.3ppg putting him at 106pts in 82 games.

We can dream right?
I posted this comp. all last year and everyone still liked to pretend that Hall was mediocre while Tavares was the second coming. Keep posting this, especially on the main board.

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"The Oilers couldn’t screw up his development even if they tried." --- I LoLed at that.

I love Hall, but I'm not ready to hold him that high up on the list... but seriously... yay.

For the most part I thought it was a good list. I would've had Datsuk a lot higher, though.
I think it is pretty well assumed that Datsyuk is looking to go back to Russia. The speculation is that next year will be his last in Detroit. If he was traded, that pretty much means he would leave at the end of the year. So what you are getting is defintely a rental player.

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I think it is pretty well assumed that Datsyuk is looking to go back to Russia. The speculation is that next year will be his last in Detroit. If he was traded, that pretty much means he would leave at the end of the year. So what you are getting is defintely a rental player.
Ya, any one who says a 34 year old should be higher doesn't' really get the point of the list. It isn't the best players in the NHL, it is the ones with the highest trade value. I am actually surprised that AO is as high as he is, just because his contract is so high and he has been off and on the last couple years.

Nuge will be much higher at the end of next year. I think he should be top 10, but, he didn't have a great year so I get it.

Also, call me crazy, but I am not certain that in reality Crosby would actually have the highest trade value. I just say that because of his injuries, when push comes to shove I think a lot of teams would prefer a Stamkos or a Tavarez, not as good, but no injury issues.

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Ya, any one who says a 34 year old should be higher doesn't' really get the point of the list. It isn't the best players in the NHL, it is the ones with the highest trade value. I am actually surprised that AO is as high as he is, just because his contract is so high and he has been off and on the last couple years.

Nuge will be much higher at the end of next year. I think he should be top 10, but, he didn't have a great year so I get it.

Also, call me crazy, but I am not certain that in reality Crosby would actually have the highest trade value. I just say that because of his injuries, when push comes to shove I think a lot of teams would prefer a Stamkos or a Tavarez, not as good, but no injury issues.
You're crazy. Crosby turns any team he goes to into the must-see team in the NHL. For both on and off-ice reasons he is the most valuable player in the NHL when it comes to trades.

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As Arpeggio stated, Crosby holds an incredible amount of value just in marketability and name.

In regards to the list, I think it was quite well done and the explanations and reasoning were fair and legitimate. The exact ordering is obviously debatable for some players, but all in all, well composed.


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You're crazy. Crosby turns any team he goes to into the must-see team in the NHL. For both on and off-ice reasons he is the most valuable player in the NHL when it comes to trades.
I agree, I just don't know, and I am not sure many people do know, just how much wear and tear he has due to injuries. l am not saying he isn't the best player, he is, but it is a fact, the guy is banged up. Not sure why people want to pretend that isn't true.

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Bill Simmons does a similar list for the NBA each season on www.grantland.com

He's a great read, good for some laughs if some have not checked out some of his columns.

http://www.grantland.com/contributor...e/bill-simmons

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ubject/archive

Ooops, I entered this comment before I checked the link. I see he does credit Simmons in it.


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