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05-14-2013, 11:42 AM
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With Bs advancing to second round... chances of Lucic being available are pretty much none now..

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Does it really matter if he "falls down" or not? This argument is laughable. Hall falls over about 1-2 times a shift and no one is complaining about him.

Because the "advanced stats" also say Hall is the guy stirring the drink.

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With Bs advancing to second round... chances of Lucic being available are pretty much none now..
I agree.. I was really cheering for Toronto because of this reason alone. Until yesterday I think Lucic could of been had with out giving up one of the young kids.. Now I don't think the conversation starts unless one of them is in it..

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He said it to refute that gagners FO ability is a critical factor. So it was to say they aren't too concerned with Sams ability there.

I read a study somewhere else(from Willis I think) that basically said for every 10% difference in two teams FO %, it only makes a difference of 1 win over a season. So a lot of proof that face offs aren't all that important over a season. You can see that in the Bos tor game tonight where Boston has won 80% of face offs yet trail 4-1.
That makes more sense, thanks.
Although one win is crucial to teams fighting for the 8th spot, I guess this means we currently have bigger warts to worry about.

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Is he winning more puck battles? How's his defensive zone coverage? Faceoffs?

He just isnt what we need going forward. He could contribute on another team, but he is a problem on this one.
The way that I see it is if do trade Gagner we better have a big 2nd line C coming from somewhere
the only thing is if we do trade gagner and he becomes a 60 point player , we will be kicking ourselves

At the same time I don't see the team going anywhere until we get rid of Gagner and Hemsky



It basically has to be

Hall ______ Yak
____ RNH Eberle


the blank spots have to be filled with Big players , that play big but have decent hands

I'd like to see Horton on RNH line and Antropov on Halls line

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The way that I see it is if do trade Gagner we better have a big 2nd line C coming from somewhere
the only thing is if we do trade gagner and he becomes a 60 point player , we will be kicking ourselves

At the same time I don't see the team going anywhere until we get rid of Gagner and Hemsky



It basically has to be

Hall ______ Yak
____ RNH Eberle


the blank spots have to be filled with Big players , that play big but have decent hands

I'd like to see Horton on RNH line and Antropov on Halls line
You had me up until Antropov. I think we might have to make do with a placeholder until we find a better option (draft/trade/ufa) for the Gagner replacement. Love the Hall/Yakupov and RNH/Eberle pairings.

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The way that I see it is if do trade Gagner we better have a big 2nd line C coming from somewhere
the only thing is if we do trade gagner and he becomes a 60 point player , we will be kicking ourselves

At the same time I don't see the team going anywhere until we get rid of Gagner and Hemsky



It basically has to be

Hall ______ Yak
____ RNH Eberle


the blank spots have to be filled with Big players , that play big but have decent hands

I'd like to see Horton on RNH line and Antropov on Halls line
I'd love Antoine Vermette to fill the hole between Hall/Yak.

Top-end face-off ability, solid defensively, has a 40-50+ point track record, plenty of speed, decent size, physical, etc.

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05-14-2013, 12:37 PM
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I'd love Antoine Vermette to fill the hole between Hall/Yak.

Top-end face-off ability, solid defensively, has a 40-50+ point track record, plenty of speed, decent size, physical, etc.
I woul be in favour of that. Not sure phx would be willing to part with him tho as they are already thin at Center.

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Looks like Mark Streit's days on LI are over so...

Streit's rights for a 4th rounder.

I know there's been a lot of talk about Streit around these parts so this deal gives you a couple of days to work out a deal before UFA begins. Just a thought.

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Looks like Mark Streit's days on LI are over so...

Streit's rights for a 4th rounder.

I know there's been a lot of talk about Streit around these parts so this deal gives you a couple of days to work out a deal before UFA begins. Just a thought.
Why do you say that?

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I wonder if Brad Richards is bought out would MacT go for it...

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Looks like Mark Streit's days on LI are over so...

Streit's rights for a 4th rounder.

I know there's been a lot of talk about Streit around these parts so this deal gives you a couple of days to work out a deal before UFA begins. Just a thought.
I'm pretty sure that he thinks highly of our coach so I'd rather not move a pick when we will likely be one of the top 5 destinations on his list anyway.

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I'd love Antoine Vermette to fill the hole between Hall/Yak.

Top-end face-off ability, solid defensively, has a 40-50+ point track record, plenty of speed, decent size, physical, etc.
You know what Vermette is not?

A first line centre on a playoff team.

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05-14-2013, 01:09 PM
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Mike Ribeiro certainly produces like a 1C. There's a possibility the Sedins may be available. Someone like Lecavalier could fill that role with the way he produced for TB this year. They might take a flyer on Paul Stastny if he gets bought-out. Same with B-Rich if NYR takes some salary back.

Like I said, chances are slim they're able to land a true #1C, but they might be able to pick someone up more suited to the rule than Gagner.
Ribeiro would be a wise choice for them IMO, the others don't produce enough or would cost too much in terms of cap or assets going the other way.

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You know what Vermette is not?

A first line centre on a playoff team.
He'd be our 2nd line center, a role that IMO he could handle very well.

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He'd be our 2nd line center, a role that IMO he could handle very well.
I'd be happy with him there. But thats not what your mod buddy was advocating.

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05-14-2013, 01:18 PM
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You know what Vermette is not?

A first line centre on a playoff team.
When you have Hall and Yakupov on your wing, I don't think you need a legitimate #1C. Hall is going to carry the line whether he's got someone like Smyth or RNH centering it, imo.

Kind of like how Michal Handzus isn't a #2C, but he looks fine there on Chicago right now because he's between Sharp and Kane.


Plus RNH isn't your typical #2C obviously. They wouldn't be relying solely on their top line.

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Why do you say that?
Streit's reported contract demands are above what Snow is comfortable with. I think he's looking at $15m/3 years from the last report I saw. He's destined to hit the free agent market.

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I'm pretty sure that he thinks highly of our coach so I'd rather not move a pick when we will likely be one of the top 5 destinations on his list anyway.
I rather give up the pick and focus on something else come draft day. Not stand pat at the draft, swing out on him during Free agency and then be left with Ballard and the other compliance buyouts that can't find a job.

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Streit's reported contract demands are above what Snow is comfortable with. I think he's looking at $15m/3 years from the last report I saw. He's destined to hit the free agent market.
I wouldn't touch that contract request.

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I wouldn't touch that contract request.
some reports even have him demanding 5.5M per..

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When you have Hall and Yakupov on your wing, I don't think you need a legitimate #1C. Hall is going to carry the line whether he's got someone like Smyth or RNH centering it, imo.

Kind of like how Michal Handzus isn't a #2C, but he looks fine there on Chicago right now because he's between Sharp and Kane.


Plus RNH isn't your typical #2C obviously. They wouldn't be relying solely on their top line.
Seems logical. Then why give up assets to acquire Vermette? Lets go get Bozak as our #1.

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Seems logical. Then why give up assets to acquire Vermette? Lets go get Bozak as our #1.
Vermette has a very friendly cap at 3.75mil. Bozak will get offered more than that by Toronto, hate to see what he gets on the free agent market.

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Seems logical. Then why give up assets to acquire Vermette? Lets go get Bozak as our #1.
I wouldn't mind Bozak there too, but I've heard he's looking for $5M+ and I would assume with a decent term.

That could turn into an ugly contract pretty quick.

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I wouldn't mind Bozak there too, but I've heard he's looking for $5M+ and I would assume with a decent term.

That could turn into an ugly contract pretty quick.
It's going to turn ugly as soon as he steps on the ice. He's a product of his linemates

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Vermette has a very friendly cap at 3.75mil. Bozak will get offered more than that by Toronto, hate to see what he gets on the free agent market.

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I wouldn't mind Bozak there too, but I've heard he's looking for $5M+ and I would assume with a decent term.

That could turn into an ugly contract pretty quick.
As long as we all agree that its just the cap hit that is the determining factor in whether adding a #2 or #3 C as our #1 is a good idea...

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