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05-12-2013, 12:18 PM
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Wow...

I **** you not some of the posters here would want to form an all UFC/boxing team... I wonder if GSP, Bute and Pascal can skate... and why not a young David Lemieux has the 13th forward

We got beat because there best players played better than ours. Yes, we are missing some size at defence mainly, but we are also missing some talent.

We finished DEAD LAST last year, what the **** you guys were expecting : the Cup ? This team is rebuilding, let time do its thing.
It's not even only about fighting... it has everything to do with the way we give our zone to the opposition (Gorges is a specialist at that), the way some of our players just don't know how to cycle and forecheck (Gionta is a specialist at not knowing how to do that), and how some of our 4th liners are more often than not totally useless (Armstrong is exactly just that).

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...and now for something completely different...

Pacioretty-ROR-Gallagher
Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Desharnais-Eller-Galchenyuk
Moen-Halpern-White
Dumont

Leopold-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Volchenkov-Gorges
Bouillon-Diaz

Varlamov
Budaj

Bwahahahaha, flame on!

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I hope Bergevin will not try to resolve the toughness issue by adding Sestito or Hendricks. It will be ugly and others teams will laugh at us like usual

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I hope Bergevin will not try to resolve the toughness issue by adding Sestito or Hendricks. It will be ugly and others teams will laugh at us like usual
Hendricks is not half as bad as you make him out to be. He gave a good go to McQuaid and plays with toughness. He'll crash and bang and is useful. He's another guy who will be willing to drop the gloves no matter what, and who will play physical game in and game out.

I would not be all that disappointed with Hendricks.

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I would trade Gorges...for 3.9M and blocking shots, a great interview, but I was really disappointed in his play this year...it seems to me once they get their lifetime contract, they seem to regress...

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Hendricks is not half as bad as you make him out to be. He gave a good go to McQuaid and plays with toughness. He'll crash and bang and is useful. He's another guy who will be willing to drop the gloves no matter what, and who will play physical game in and game out.

I would not be all that disappointed with Hendricks.
Hendricks is in the same class as Adams and Kostopoulos. One of the worst middleweight fighter

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Hendricks is in the same class as Adams and Kostopoulos. One of the worst middleweight fighter
Kostopoulos is way, way worst than Hendricks in the fighting aspect of the game.

Anyway, whether we add Hendricks or Bordeleau, if this is the only move we make, it's still not going to be enough.

We need gritty guys spread all around the lineup, and Hendricks sure would be a step in the good direction for our 4th line. Are there better options? Yes there are, and in no way is he my plan A. But I'd rather him than Armstrong or Dumont.

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Kostopoulos is way, way worst than Hendricks in the fighting aspect of the game.

Anyway, whether we add Hendricks or Bordeleau, if this is the only move we make, it's still not going to be enough.

We need gritty guys spread all around the lineup, and Hendricks sure would be a step in the good direction for our 4th line. Are there better options? Yes there are, and in no way is he my plan A. But I'd rather him than Armstrong or Dumont.
I'd rather having no one then him. Watching him dropping the glove is so painful. He should be the plan Z

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05-12-2013, 01:28 PM
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Bickell is another Moen type, no thanks.
Well you didn't see him play I guess...

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So I think we can all agree that size does in fact matter, but that it can in fact also be misleading. The Habs must get bigger throughout the lineup but while maintaining speed and skill.

Desharnais
I think we can also agree that Desharnais will probably not be traded due to the fact that MB just signed him, and he doesn't really have any value on the market, among other reasons. He cannot, however, continue to play 2C with 16+ TOI. I also think that Pacioretty should be played elsewhere in our lineup. This means we must find two big and fast wingers for Desharnais to form an exploitation offensive oriented 3rd line.

Eller
Eller had an outstanding season. He's coming into his own and finally forming an identity. He's big, surprisingly strong on the puck, and tends to make very few mistakes on the ice. He's also shown some great defensive acumen and works hard in the corners. I see moving up to 2C. His TOI will be moved up to 16-17 while getting extra minutes on the PK.

Plekanec
This will be Plekanec's last season at 1C. He has been our best center for a few seasons now, but he is in my opinion a great 2C, not a 1C. Galchenyuk will still be playing winger though so Plek will remain 1C. His line will shutdown the opposing top lines and pitch in offensively. He will also man the top PK unit once again. I am not opposed to shopping Plekanec during the regular season depending on how Eller and Galchenyuk are playing. His value will begin to drop soon, and if we can pick up an important piece for him then why not go for it? If not, we keep him.

So there are our 1C, 2C, 3C for next season. As for our fourth center, i like what White brings to the table. He plays hard and will stand up for his team mates. Strikes me as a young, weaker version of Chris Neil. But he is expendable.

Trades and Signings

Saint-Louis: Leblanc + Diaz + 2013 4th round pick
Montreal: Ryan Reaves + Ian Cole (rights)

Leblanc still has a shot at making the NHL, but he is in dire need of a change of scenery. He has fallen below Michael Bournival on the Habs depth chart/call-up list. Diaz is also a big problem on the Habs blueline. He is too small and seems to be playing scared hockey for us. He'd be a good fit in Saint-Louis as a low-salary 7th dman. He can help out on they're horrible PP from time to time and possibly earn a full-time 6th spot.

Ryan Reaves (RW 6'1" 229lbs) a young banging fourth line grinder who hits like a truck. Saw him in the LA-STL series for the first time and man was he impressive. He'd be a great addition to our 4th line/depth.
Ian Cole (6'1" 225lbs) is a strong stay at home dman. He's young at 24. He's also an RFA and with STL having to resign Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo on D, I think he becomes expendable. He also drifted back and forth between the NHL and AHL, and was scratched for a playoff game. He is behind Jackman and Polak on their shutdown dman depth chart. Being only 24, I think he can play an important shutdown role for the Habs moving forward.

Next I'd sign Viktor Stalberg (RW 6'3" 209lbs). He's a very fast winger. He's big but doesn't play overly physical. Can be played on our 3rd line with DD. I'd sign him to 2.5m, assuming other teams don't mistake him for a top 6 guy and overpay him. If they do then forget it. But at 2.5m he'd be a great fit. I'd love to sign David Clarkson, but I feel he will have many pursuers this summer. The only way he doesn't resign with the Devils is if he gets overpaid. Anything over 4m would cripple us so I'll pass. And as for Ryane Clowe, he reminds me of an Eric Cole type. Will receive a nice paycheck but will deteriorate over time and end up being overpaid.

Of course, Kaberle is bought-out, Ryder and Army walk.

Lineup as per CapGeek

FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Alex Galchenyuk ($3.225m) / Lars Eller ($1.325m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.870m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) / Viktor Stalberg ($2.500m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Ryan White ($0.722m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Danny Kristo ($1.300m) / Gabriel Dumont ($0.578m) / Ryan Reaves ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($2.875m)
Alexei Emelin ($2.000m) / Andrei Markov ($5.750m)
Ian Cole ($2.500m) / Jarred Tinordi ($1.083m)
Nathan Beaulieu ($1.275m) / Francis Bouillon ($1.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.400m)
OTHER
Buyout: Tomas Kaberle ($1.250m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,835,208; BONUSES: $3,897,500
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $1,362,292

Side Notes

Only 1.3m in cap space left, but Markov and Gionta will clear up 10m once they play out their contracts. I don't see them being moved. I am well aware that Gionta is no longer a top line winger, but he is our Captain and doesn't really fit in anywhere else in the lineup.
Beaulieu will start in Hamilton but will be called up if necessary. Tinordi will start in as a 6th dman in a shutdown pairing with Cole.
Bourque has been top6 these past 2 seasons, but he strikes me as a great 3rd line winger. Our 3rd line will be very important for us.

Let me know what you guys think.

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05-12-2013, 02:36 PM
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I'd try to sign Horton @ 5 or 5,5

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I'd try to sign Horton @ 5 or 5,5
I'm sure you would.

A lazy, one-sneeze-away-from-career-ending concussion player.

Fantastic. Becomes the team's highest paid forward in one fell swoop.

Superb.

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Desharnais will be our 3rd C for sure next season and Galchenyuk might end up playing Wing next year again since we also have Eller.. or maybe Therrien will switch them around during the season.

At the draft:

As I see it, our trading bait would be: Diaz, Kaberle, Weber, Drewiske, Armstrong, Moen, Leblanc, maybe even Gionta

In return, we grab 2 first picks and try to bulk up our wingers with guys like Mantha (Ressembles ryder alot to me) and Gauthier (to me looks like Pacioretty) and have a future deadly combination of Tinordi and Morin

And maybe some UFA's like Clarkson, Flippula to fill the holes

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there s 3 trades we should do
1. Price to minnesota (they need a goalie) for charlie coyle and cal clutterbuck draft pick
2. DD and weber and Pateryn and a 2nd round draft pick for luongo and bieksa
3. Kristo Colberg 2013 2nd round draft pick and a conditional 2014 1 st round (if he resigned with us) or a 2014 2nd round pick for Vanek.

this would give us

Coyle pleks Vanek
Patch eller clutterbuck
prust galchenyuk bourque
moen white armstrong
dumont (Gionta will be on LTIR with the injury he has)

markov emelin
bieksa PK
gorges Diaz
Boulion

Luongo
That Gallagher kid just disappeared eh? Lol.

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I find it hilarious that some people are willing to trade away Price and get Luongo over.
A still young, good, and with room to improve goaltender
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A 34 years old, on a bad contract, who hasn't accomplished much either during playoff in which the city he plays for is trying to run him out of too

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They realised it like 3 years ago, maybe you missed the memo.

Tinordi Emelin Cole Moen Pacioretty Bourque Prust Armstrong Eller and others were all added/promoted/signed the last 3 years.

The only small guys added are free agents, Diaz Desharnais and Gallagher(who was a 5th rounder).

I think you're the one that needs waking up. Winnipeg has the biggest NHL team I have seen in terms of their regulars and they have not made the playoffs in 5 years, so blindly dumping small players and adding big ones is dumb, dumb, dumb.
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My comment started with "Personally" on my other post, last time I checked on such boards we are allowed to express our thoughts. So if you are going to come around and say that I am "dumb dumb dumb" your are simply a disrespectful, ignorant that simpliy thinks he knows way more they anybody else on this site.

everybody pls listen to Monctonscout he seems to know everything after all he is a scout. You keep failing to mention who you scout for, i've asked twice now. Pee wee league in Moncton maybe? "
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I never said you were dumb.

Taking the player with more size if the skill is equal is the waty every team does it.
Hey we're all Montreal Canadien fans no need for this type of act going down on this board thanks guys.

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didn't know where to put this so i put it here. i thought his Price blurb was interesting

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ha...card-1.1278106

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Our team isn't going to win next year. Adding a little bit of grit and "sandpaper" is going to do s*** towards making this team a competitor. Do we honestly think that adding a big 3rd liner with little offensive ability (Clowe/Clarkson/Bickell etc) and an old, slow #6 dman (Scuderi, Murray, Regehr) are going to make us an elite team or even a solid playoff team? We have a bunch of 2nd line, aging, small, complimentary players as our current impact-players right now. We didn't win with Gionta, Markov, and Plekanec when they were in their primes, we aren't going to win with them now.

Just sick of losing and having a mediocre team.


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Desharnais will be our 3rd C for sure next season and Galchenyuk might end up playing Wing next year again since we also have Eller.. or maybe Therrien will switch them around during the season.

At the draft:

As I see it, our trading bait would be: Diaz, Kaberle, Weber, Drewiske, Armstrong, Moen, Leblanc, maybe even Gionta

In return, we grab 2 first picks and try to bulk up our wingers with guys like Mantha (Ressembles ryder alot to me) and Gauthier (to me looks like Pacioretty) and have a future deadly combination of Tinordi and Morin

And maybe some UFA's like Clarkson, Flippula to fill the holes
Very well thought out and I couldn't agree more with all of your points.

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Our team isn't going to win next year. Adding a little bit of grit and "sandpaper" is going to do s*** towards making this team a competitor. Do we honestly think that adding a big 3rd liner with little offensive ability (Clowe/Clarkson/Bickell etc) and an old, slow #6 dman (Scuderi, Murray, Regehr) are going to make us an elite team or even a solid playoff team? We have a bunch of 2nd line, aging, small, complimentary players as our current impact-players right now. We didn't win with Gionta, Markov, and Plekanec when they were in their primes, we aren't going to win with them now.

Just sick of losing and having a mediocre team.
I completely agree what are your ideas for how to improve?

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Why people want Clowe is beyond me? Hey I love the guy but he is out again with a concussion. Thats two now with the Rangers. There is no way we even consider him now. Forget about Laps no thank you! Bergy is smarter than that. I love Price but if there is a trade out there to improve the team you do it. Why all the love for Moen, he's been a bi$ch since he was put on the 4th line. I'd love a guy like Matt Hendricks to replace Moen. I'd also like to add a guy like Rupp via trade. Can you imagine a 4th line of Hendricks-Whitey-Rupp. On defence a guy like Regehr would be great. Yes he would be expensive but this is the type of guy we need. Mean, nasty and really hard to play against. If he isn't available then Fistric would be my next target or try to get someone via trade. Someone mentioned picking up Horton sorry but he is injury prone. He hasn't been the same since the hit a couple years ago.

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Our team isn't going to win next year. Adding a little bit of grit and "sandpaper" is going to do s*** towards making this team a competitor. Do we honestly think that adding a big 3rd liner with little offensive ability (Clowe/Clarkson/Bickell etc) and an old, slow #6 dman (Scuderi, Murray, Regehr) are going to make us an elite team or even a solid playoff team? We have a bunch of 2nd line, aging, small, complimentary players as our current impact-players right now. We didn't win with Gionta, Markov, and Plekanec when they were in their primes, we aren't going to win with them now.

Just sick of losing and having a mediocre team.
We have elite talent. Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Subban, Pacioretty, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Price; these are the types of players that make us contenders down the road.

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I completely agree what are your ideas for how to improve?
He may not be a popular choice to move but if we're truly embracing a rebuild, Plekanec is our most movable piece. Trading Price doesn't make any sense, he's still very young and still quite a good goalie, likely better than any we'd find in Free Agency or through a trade. It's obvious who our young, skilled players are, no sense in moving any of them if we're rebuilding around them.

Plekanec for Chris Stewart makes a lot of sense to me if he's available. He's not the most consistent player but he brings something we don't have in our system and haven't had in our system in years, a true powerforward. He fights, he scores, he can play physically, he's young (25) and is an RFA so we can decide his contract. He was on pace for 60pts this year on an offensively stunted team in St.Louis. If he can keep his s*** together he could be a huge piece in our coming success.

Moving Markov for picks and prospects would be a good move as well. Kaberle brought back a 1st + Joe Colborne + 2nd (cond.) and I think we can expect something very similar. I think we'd all like to see Plekanec and Markov retire as Habs but you don't win games and make competitive hockey teams by being sentimental.

Big, fast, skilled, young. Those are the type of players I would acquire.

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We have elite talent. Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Subban, Pacioretty, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Price; these are the types of players that make us contenders down the road.
So bring in players that compliment these guys. It could be some time before they can be considered elite. Start building the team now through the draft and through trades instead of relying on supplemental players from Free Agency.

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