HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Notices

The Carey Price Discussion Thread (Part 3)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
05-01-2013, 10:52 AM
  #1
the
Registered User
 
the's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 701
vCash: 500
The Carey Price Discussion Thread (Part 3)

Quick had a amazing game yesterday, he really gave L.A a winning chance yesterday. Hopefully Price will have a similar performance.

the is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:54 AM
  #2
hototogisu
Global Moderator
Poked the bear!!!!!
 
hototogisu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 32,935
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by the View Post
Quick had a amazing game yesterday, he really gave L.A a winning chance yesterday. Hopefully Price will have a similar performance.
Similar, but not identical.

Price wouldn't even be alive to start game 2 in this city if he made the blunder that Quick did.

hototogisu is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:59 AM
  #3
Lars Mon Amour
Mon beau Lars
 
Lars Mon Amour's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Saint-Hyacinthe, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,295
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
Similar, but not identical.

Price wouldn't even be alive to start game 2 in this city if he made the blunder that Quick did.
People would still be outside trying to find his house.
Anyways, I remember Price did something almost identical to what Quick did yesterday. It was in the 2011 playoffs. Game 3 vs. the Bruins?

Lars Mon Amour is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 11:14 AM
  #4
hockeyfan2k11
Registered User
 
hockeyfan2k11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,058
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
Similar, but not identical.

Price wouldn't even be alive to start game 2 in this city if he made the blunder that Quick did.
Right...after winning a cup and a Conn Smythe he would have been chased out of town for that blunder (which Price has made before but not in the playoffs).

hockeyfan2k11 is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 11:21 AM
  #5
WeThreeKings
Registered User
 
WeThreeKings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 32,311
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to WeThreeKings
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyfan2k11 View Post
Right...after winning a cup and a Conn Smythe he would have been chased out of town for that blunder (which Price has made before but not in the playoffs).

WeThreeKings is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 11:24 AM
  #6
uiCk
GrEmelins
 
uiCk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: MTL
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,284
vCash: 500
lol nice one WTK

is one of the first games i remember watching actually, 1 year after immigrated here.

uiCk is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 12:25 PM
  #7
Agnostic
11 Stanley Cups
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,923
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
Similar, but not identical.

Price wouldn't even be alive to start game 2 in this city if he made the blunder that Quick did.
Not really . Price made that blunder in 2011 playoffs but few remember it .

Agnostic is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 01:21 PM
  #8
hockeyfan2k11
Registered User
 
hockeyfan2k11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,058
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeThreeKings View Post
If you think the fans had anything to do with chasing him out of town then you are not worth talking to. Roy HATED the coach. The coach wanted to treat Roy like the rest of the players...hence he left him in the game for all 11 goals.

Keep comparing Price to Roy. I get a every time I read it.

hockeyfan2k11 is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 01:23 PM
  #9
hockeyfan2k11
Registered User
 
hockeyfan2k11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,058
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Agnostic View Post
Not really . Price made that blunder in 2011 playoffs but few remember it .
I do...but hey...Price is the victim here so why remember such things?

hockeyfan2k11 is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 01:25 PM
  #10
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,115
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeThreeKings View Post
Rift between Roy and Tremblay why he wanted out. Didn't you read Roy's book?

Mats86 is online now  
Old
05-01-2013, 02:35 PM
  #11
Lafleurs Guy
Registered User
 
Lafleurs Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyfan2k11 View Post
If you think the fans had anything to do with chasing him out of town then you are not worth talking to. Roy HATED the coach. The coach wanted to treat Roy like the rest of the players...hence he left him in the game for all 11 goals.
There's absolutely no doubt that the fans played a huge role here. If they don't egg him on he doesn't explode the way he did.

Yeah, he hated the coach and there's no doubt that Tremblay (and Corey and Roy himself) was an idiot here. But when the fans got on Roy that's when he really got upset. You saw the hands go up with the mock cheer.

I don't see how you can say that the fans played no part in what happened here.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyfan2k11 View Post
Keep comparing Price to Roy. I get a every time I read it.
You have to be fairly dense not to see that folks are comparing how the fans have treated previous goalies and not the goalies themselves.

Lafleurs Guy is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 03:05 PM
  #12
hockeyfan2k11
Registered User
 
hockeyfan2k11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,058
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy View Post
There's absolutely no doubt that the fans played a huge role here. If they don't egg him on he doesn't explode the way he did.

Yeah, he hated the coach and there's no doubt that Tremblay (and Corey and Roy himself) was an idiot here. But when the fans got on Roy that's when he really got upset. You saw the hands go up with the mock cheer.

I don't see how you can say that the fans played no part in what happened here.
So you think if the fans didn't jeer him after that game, he wouldn't have left? How old were you during that time? He HATED Tremblay. They had all kinds of problems. That game was the tip of the iceberg because TREMBLAY embarrassed Roy by leaving him in. It wasn't the fans. It was the dumb coach and management that chased him out.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy View Post
You have to be fairly dense not to see that folks are comparing how the fans have treated previous goalies and not the goalies themselves.
that's not the only comparison, btw. You must be fairly dense to not even see the Roy comparisons in virtually every knock on Price. "But Roy lost games in 93". "Even Roy had screw ups". It's silly.

Just as silly as you calling Price's season before the last 5 or so games "vezina-like".

hockeyfan2k11 is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 03:21 PM
  #13
Lafleurs Guy
Registered User
 
Lafleurs Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyfan2k11 View Post
So you think if the fans didn't jeer him after that game, he wouldn't have left? How old were you during that time? He HATED Tremblay. They had all kinds of problems. That game was the tip of the iceberg because TREMBLAY embarrassed Roy by leaving him in. It wasn't the fans. It was the dumb coach and management that chased him out.
I remember it clearly and watched it live. I was absolutely disgusted by the way the fans treated Roy.

And no, I don't think he would've left. I think that the situation came to a head and Roy exploded. I think that the management we had in place wasn't mature enough to be able to bring everyone back to the table and let cooler heads prevail.

Do you seriously think this was a premeditated decision? Of course it wasn't. It was an emotional response to a coach leaving him in and having the fans embarrass him with taunts and mock cheers.

How old were you man? You think he sat back that night and said... "Geez, tonight I'll let in nine goals and then bolt from the team because I hate my coach" - get real man. There's no way that it gets that bad if his own fans aren't sitting there jeering him the way they did. Tremblay provided the fuse and the fans lit the match.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyfan2k11 View Post
that's not the only comparison, btw. You must be fairly dense to not even see the Roy comparisons in virtually every knock on Price. "But Roy lost games in 93". "Even Roy had screw ups". It's silly.
Please find me a post anywhere where anyone is saying that Price is as good as Roy. You're being stupid here. Nobody is saying he's Roy or Dryden. Stop with the ridiculous strawman crap.

The point those folks are making is that Roy (as great as he was) was run out of town. Tons of folks thought he was a one hit wonder after 86 and most wanted him dealt before than '93 cup win. There was ALWAYS doubt with him on the part of the fans. Tons of folks thought Hayward was the better goalie - think about it. Brian Freaking Hayward... just like right now some folks are calling for Budaj. Our fans are full retard sometimes.

If Roy can't get the fans on his side what chance does any goalie have? The fans in Montreal are freaking crazy when it comes to netminders.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyfan2k11 View Post
Just as silly as you calling Price's season before the last 5 or so games "vezina-like".
Take it up with the coaches who saw it that way. Take it up with the players who see him as being one of the hardest goalies to score against... Tons of analysts out there has said he was in the Vezina discussion before his tank job. I don't think he would've won (how the hell could anyone but Bobrovski win) but he would've been nominated. I'm not sure if the coaches vote but a hell of a lot of analysts have shared the opinion.

Lafleurs Guy is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 03:25 PM
  #14
sandysan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,260
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
Similar, but not identical.

Price wouldn't even be alive to start game 2 in this city if he made the blunder that Quick did.
I wonder how many people in La are clamoring for Bernier in nets for game 2.

sandysan is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 05:10 PM
  #15
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,115
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy View Post
I remember it clearly and watched it live. I was absolutely disgusted by the way the fans treated Roy.

And no, I don't think he would've left. I think that the situation came to a head and Roy exploded. I think that the management we had in place wasn't mature enough to be able to bring everyone back to the table and let cooler heads prevail.

Do you seriously think this was a premeditated decision? Of course it wasn't. It was an emotional response to a coach leaving him in and having the fans embarrass him with taunts and mock cheers.

How old were you man? You think he sat back that night and said... "Geez, tonight I'll let in nine goals and then bolt from the team because I hate my coach" - get real man. There's no way that it gets that bad if his own fans aren't sitting there jeering him the way they did. Tremblay provided the fuse and the fans lit the match.

Please find me a post anywhere where anyone is saying that Price is as good as Roy. You're being stupid here. Nobody is saying he's Roy or Dryden. Stop with the ridiculous strawman crap.

The point those folks are making is that Roy (as great as he was) was run out of town. Tons of folks thought he was a one hit wonder after 86 and most wanted him dealt before than '93 cup win. There was ALWAYS doubt with him on the part of the fans. Tons of folks thought Hayward was the better goalie - think about it. Brian Freaking Hayward... just like right now some folks are calling for Budaj. Our fans are full retard sometimes.

If Roy can't get the fans on his side what chance does any goalie have? The fans in Montreal are freaking crazy when it comes to netminders.

Take it up with the coaches who saw it that way. Take it up with the players who see him as being one of the hardest goalies to score against... Tons of analysts out there has said he was in the Vezina discussion before his tank job. I don't think he would've won (how the hell could anyone but Bobrovski win) but he would've been nominated. I'm not sure if the coaches vote but a hell of a lot of analysts have shared the opinion.
Why respond if you do not know what you are talking about? Roy left because of feud with Tremblay. Says so in Roy's book, "Winning...Nothing Else". It almost broke Roy's spirit to leave Montreal he did not want to go but knew him and Tremblay could not co-exist together. Book goes in great detail of feud between Patrick and Mario. Roy burst out laughing at something Tremblay said. Then when introduced as head coach in dressing room Tremblay refused to shake Roy's extended hand. Roy liked to relax and concernrate before games in clinic as dressing room was to noisy. Tremblay peeled him out and posted signs saying only injured players allowed in clinic. Tremblay picked on him continously. Game before Detriot game he peeled Roy out in front of Pierre Turgeon for having beer in his room. This was against club policy but Roy did not frequent the strip clubs like other players. Educate yourself on topics before flying off on a tangent.

Mats86 is online now  
Old
05-01-2013, 06:30 PM
  #16
Lafleurs Guy
Registered User
 
Lafleurs Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
Why respond if you do not know what you are talking about? Roy left because of feud with Tremblay. Says so in Roy's book, "Winning...Nothing Else". It almost broke Roy's spirit to leave Montreal he did not want to go but knew him and Tremblay could not co-exist together. Book goes in great detail of feud between Patrick and Mario. Roy burst out laughing at something Tremblay said. Then when introduced as head coach in dressing room Tremblay refused to shake Roy's extended hand. Roy liked to relax and concernrate before games in clinic as dressing room was to noisy. Tremblay peeled him out and posted signs saying only injured players allowed in clinic. Tremblay picked on him continously. Game before Detriot game he peeled Roy out in front of Pierre Turgeon for having beer in his room. This was against club policy but Roy did not frequent the strip clubs like other players. Educate yourself on topics before flying off on a tangent.
Dude, everyone knows there was a rift between them... (we knew it back before the blowup) and if you had to read a book to learn this then I don't know what to tell you.

This was not a premeditated action. The whole thing had been festering for a while and Roy blew his stack when he was left in net and the fans jeered him. He went back to the bench and was furious. He was apologetic afterwards but like I said, mgmt. wasn't mature enough to patch things up and Corey was all about appearances no matter what.

The whole thing blew up during that game and yes, the fans had a lot to do with it. Once he lost his mind, that was it. And Corey wasn't mature enough to let things blow over and patch things up between Tremblay and Roy. Inexperienced coach and GM and moron for a President combined with a hothead and fans that were acting like idiots. That's what ****ing happened dude.

So please don't sit there and try to tell us about a book you read and try to tell us about things that you obviously weren't around to know anything about.

Lafleurs Guy is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 06:36 PM
  #17
hockeyfan2k11
Registered User
 
hockeyfan2k11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,058
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
Why respond if you do not know what you are talking about? Roy left because of feud with Tremblay. Says so in Roy's book, "Winning...Nothing Else". It almost broke Roy's spirit to leave Montreal he did not want to go but knew him and Tremblay could not co-exist together. Book goes in great detail of feud between Patrick and Mario. Roy burst out laughing at something Tremblay said. Then when introduced as head coach in dressing room Tremblay refused to shake Roy's extended hand. Roy liked to relax and concernrate before games in clinic as dressing room was to noisy. Tremblay peeled him out and posted signs saying only injured players allowed in clinic. Tremblay picked on him continously. Game before Detriot game he peeled Roy out in front of Pierre Turgeon for having beer in his room. This was against club policy but Roy did not frequent the strip clubs like other players. Educate yourself on topics before flying off on a tangent.
Pretty much this. I mean...this is common knowledge...yet Lafleur calls me dense. LOL.

hockeyfan2k11 is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 06:41 PM
  #18
Lafleurs Guy
Registered User
 
Lafleurs Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyfan2k11 View Post
Pretty much this. I mean...this is common knowledge...yet Lafleur calls me dense. LOL.
Yes. Very dense...

Lafleurs Guy is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 06:56 PM
  #19
hockeyfan2k11
Registered User
 
hockeyfan2k11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,058
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy View Post
Yes. Very dense...
Keep trying to rewrite history....champ!

hockeyfan2k11 is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 07:12 PM
  #20
Whitesnake
Habs of steel
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 47,136
vCash: 500
At one point, in Montreal, chances are we will have to build a team so strong that goalies might become not as important. A great team with a Jeff Hackett in net might just be what the doctor ordered. Totally low profile....not amongst the highest paid players on the team but still gets the job done. Yes, Halak was a hero.....but imagine if he started to underperform...as hero he was, he would also have become a zero in due time.

At one point, I do believe that a goalie like Craig Anderson would have been perfect for this market. We love to "kill" our goalies here... and ressuscitate them to kill them again. Probably a little tougher to do so when you actually have no fun doing it. Seems fun to do it to Price. Was surely fun to do it to Theodore....to Thibault. To Roy. Nobody cares about Hackett. People didn't care too much about Huet as well. And then, you also have to accept that even if they are low profile, at one point, they will be interchangeable at some point. A long term relationship with a goalie...not sure I'll see that soon.....Price will need some luck and some hard work to convince me he has a future EVEN if he's just good. Everything and everybody told us he'd be extraordinairy. People will only be accepting this from now on. Let's hope I'm wrong.

Whitesnake is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 07:15 PM
  #21
habsfanatics
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,422
vCash: 500
I don't think the fans played much of a role in Roy's departure.

habsfanatics is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 07:19 PM
  #22
Lafleurs Guy
Registered User
 
Lafleurs Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitesnake View Post
At one point, in Montreal, chances are we will have to build a team so strong that goalies might become not as important. A great team with a Jeff Hackett in net might just be what the doctor ordered. Totally low profile....not amongst the highest paid players on the team but still gets the job done. Yes, Halak was a hero.....but imagine if he started to underperform...as hero he was, he would also have become a zero in due time.

At one point, I do believe that a goalie like Craig Anderson would have been perfect for this market. We love to "kill" our goalies here... and ressuscitate them to kill them again. Probably a little tougher to do so when you actually have no fun doing it. Seems fun to do it to Price. Was surely fun to do it to Theodore....to Thibault. To Roy. Nobody cares about Hackett. People didn't care too much about Huet as well. And then, you also have to accept that even if they are low profile, at one point, they will be interchangeable at some point. A long term relationship with a goalie...not sure I'll see that soon.....Price will need some luck and some hard work to convince me he has a future EVEN if he's just good. Everything and everybody told us he'd be extraordinairy. People will only be accepting this from now on. Let's hope I'm wrong.
Once you build a contender, I think that goalie is going to come under the microscope no matter what. It's worse for Price because the team is built around him and PK.

And the downside of going with a Hackett type guy is that you could wind up in a situation like Philly's or Toronto's where they've been searching for years.

Lafleurs Guy is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 07:22 PM
  #23
habsfanatics
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,422
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy View Post
Once you build a contender, I think that goalie is going to come under the microscope no matter what. It's worse for Price because the team is built around him and PK.

And the downside of going with a Hackett type guy is that you could wind up in a situation like Philly's or Toronto's where they've been searching for years.
Philly would have been better to abort their search and continue to do what made them successful

habsfanatics is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 07:26 PM
  #24
hockeyfan2k11
Registered User
 
hockeyfan2k11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,058
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by habsfanatics View Post
I don't think the fans played much of a role in Roy's departure.
Well then..according to Lafleur, you're dense too. The fans didn't play a role. Some posters are so far up Price's ass, they'll make up all kinds of crap to defend him.

hockeyfan2k11 is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 07:26 PM
  #25
Whitesnake
Habs of steel
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 47,136
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy View Post
Once you build a contender, I think that goalie is going to come under the microscope no matter what. It's worse for Price because the team is built around him and PK.

And the downside of going with a Hackett type guy is that you could wind up in a situation like Philly's or Toronto's where they've been searching for years.
But Hackett was way more valuable than anything the Leafs and Philly had.

Whitesnake is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:09 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.