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05-11-2013, 02:24 AM
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Jarome Iginla is a "regular" star player. He gets points, has games where he takes over, and also has games where he doesn't do much.

Crosby and Malkin spoil this fanbase profusely. We get to watch two guys every game that are among the best players ever. We've watched Jagr and Lemieux in the past. I think that skews everyone's perception of what an "impactful" player is. Iginla's been good enough, given his circumstances (age, linemates, fitting into a new team for pretty much the first time ever). His shot is still lethal, he can process the game at a better level than any of our other wingers, and his...ughh.."puck poise" in offensive and tight spaces is very good. And you know that he'll still have a few games here and there where he'll score a few goals and be the difference maker. He's fine.
Great post.

People are judging things WAY too prematurely on this one. Iggy needs some time to gel with his teammates. So far, he has done a pretty darn good job (if not spectacular) of doing so. He still has gas left in the tank, and still needs to get comfortable with his team, new family surroundings, etc. The guy even put up his CGY house for sale. What more do you want from this guy to show he is committed to trying to help this team win, and most likely be part of this team for the next 3-4 years.

Iggy may or may not be a 50 goal guy anymore, but he is most assuredly a 30 goal/60 point guy going into next season (and maybe even more) and someone who will probably re-sign for Alfredsson/Selanne type money. He will be re-invigorated after a summer of training and practicing with guys like Sid and other Pens players. He is one of the most fit and durable guys in the league, and is a damn good player. Considering what we gave up to get him, and that we'll probably re-sign him for reasonable $$, people should be rejoicing. Anyone who isn't doesn't have any sense of reality or realistic expectations.

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I think Iginla honestly has one of the heaviest shots I've ever seen, and that including the guys on this team. When he one times the puck, I don't see it until after it's hit where ever he was intending for it to go.

When he hit Nabokov in the mask, I had no idea why Nabokov fell down randomly. I only had saw the puck when it settled in the corner.

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As a person that's never lived in Pittsburgh, but has been a Penguins fan since the Lemieux era - I'll agree that Penguins fans seem pretty spoiled.

I watch 24/7 Leafs coverage where I live. These people get high on players like Jiri Tlusty and Jake Gardiner. I watched a morning radio show yesterday morning where they repeatedly called Jake Gardiner "dynamic".

There's a disconnect somewhere. In Pittsburgh, "dynamic" is Sidney Crosby. Jarome Iginla? Meh.

Leafs fans would erect a golden statue to Jarome Iginla and pray to it as their ****ing god. Calgary fans already did. Toronto is like Calgary except ten times larger and ten times more ridiculous. You know?

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As a person that's never lived in Pittsburgh, but has been a Penguins fan since the Lemieux era - I'll agree that Penguins fans seem pretty spoiled.

I watch 24/7 Leafs coverage where I live. These people get high on players like Jiri Tlusty and Jake Gardiner. I watched a morning radio show yesterday morning where they repeatedly called Jake Gardiner "dynamic".

There's a disconnect somewhere. In Pittsburgh, "dynamic" is Sidney Crosby. Jarome Iginla? Meh.

Leafs fans would erect a golden statue to Jarome Iginla and pray to it as their ****ing god. Calgary fans already did. Toronto is like Calgary except ten times larger and ten times more ridiculous. You know?
Wait, Calgary is like 1.2 million in the the city alone you know . . . Toronto is what, 4 million?

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I think Iginla honestly has one of the heaviest shots I've ever seen, and that including the guys on this team. When he one times the puck, I don't see it until after it's hit where ever he was intending for it to go.

When he hit Nabokov in the mask, I had no idea why Nabokov fell down randomly. I only had saw the puck when it settled in the corner.
Yeah, it's insane. We've had some guys that can shoot the puck but Iginla's one timer was shocking to me. Didn't realize it was in the top 1% in the league.

Anyways, if we assume 9-87-12 stay together we should get a good look at what Iginla can bring with Crosby ES. We already know he's a great fit on the PP.

We also might see who should re-signed, Dupuis or Iginla - again a pretty bizarro discussion but here we are.

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Too soon to judge imo. He's at least met expectations so far since he's averaging a point a game since we picked him up. I can only think of 1 game where I felt like he was the reason we won the game, but this is the same way it was when we got Hossa. Injuries leading into the playoffs kept him from getting chemistry with linemates and it took time to form.

I do think that we will be games during this playoff run where Iggy steps up and has huge games, and during the times he doesn't do that he will still be consistently productive.

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Iggy has been my favorite non Pen since Sundin retired but I don't think he fits the Pens. I think a player that's used to have his teams offense funneled through him is going to need a long time to get used to playing here. Shooting, passing and working with Sid and Malkin is one thing but he's not winning board battles or controlling the puck well.

He also seems to be forcing plays and passing a little bit to much.

IMO its not spoiled or out of line to say that he hasn't fit in well, aside from being a great team guy. In the end I think he end up getting it and looking better next year when he can get some loose games and practices in. Kind of like James Neal.

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He's lost a step and some piss over the last couple years, but even though he's been tried at LW and put into a new system (often looking out of sorts in the process), his offensive IQ, nose for the net, and shot have shone through.

Got a feeling he's going to look a lot less awkward from here on out now that he's flanking Sid in his natural position, with a digger like Dupes on the other side.

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I don't think this is being stressed enough. He has been in on 40% of the Pens playoff goals.
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Too low number of samples for me to claim anything so far on that one. He always seems to "collect" his points, but I don't really remember him "making" the great play to do so. He always seems to just be someone who happened to touch the puck last or next to last to me FWIW. Could also be selective memory on my part. PP is definitely better with him out there, but was pretty good prior.
I think the impressiveness of his point production is getting glossed over by Pens fans, which is pretty unfair to the guy. He has 8 points in 5 games, which everyone seems to be attributing to the power play.

5 of his 8 points are at even strength. The Penguins have 14 even strength goals in this series so far, and Iginla was in on 5 of them. That's 36% of our ES production that he was in on.

We have 7 PPG so far in the series, and he was in on 3 of those. That's 42% of our total power-play goals that he factored in on.

There is no such thing as "collecting" points on 38% of your team's goals in a series. You don't just happen to touch the puck before a goal was scored 38% of the time in a series. Especially when 5 of his 7 assists were primary assists, so he touched the puck directly prior to the goal being scored on 5 of those 7 goals, and he scored a goal himself.

I think we, as Pens fans, are spoiled by having two of the most game-changing players in the NHL on our team and we get to watch them every night, so we don't notice all of the plays that fly under the radar because a guy just makes a simple play that generates a great shot angle or creates space for a guy like Crosby or Malkin to move in and score a goal.

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I've definitely been one of those guys that expected him to be a "Crosby Malkin" type impact player. Obviously he isn't. He does have a great sense of the game and a ridiculous shot. Not sure about a multi year contract, but he is contributing right now. I'll be real interested to see how he does on Crosby's RW going forward.

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Yeah, thanks for pointing this out. Just like every time I see someone misspell Beau Bennet or Simon Depres.
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It's not a joke to him, Jarome obviously spells his name wrong.
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no, it's Jarome. source:



i know it's wikipedia, but it's spelled Jarome.

why don't more people use his full name anyway? that's the best name i've ever seen. i'm not kidding. that name is badass.
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I think people misunderstood what I meant. I meant, "Is the guy telling us it's Jerome joking? Because it's definitely Jarome."

I know his name is Jarome. It's tattooed on my butt.

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Sorry my mistake. That'll teach me to post after I've imbibed in some scotch. All apologies. Carry on.


MHO. Iginla comes as advertised. He is a little weaker on the wall than I remember, but his shot is still deadly. I love having him as an option on the PP. I think if we go deep this year, Iggy will play a big part of that.

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The only real disappointments I have surrounding Iginla at this point, are that he isnt signed for next year, and that the announcers dont use "Send it in, Jarome" when he scores. I will take everything else he brings and run with it....

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I've definitely been one of those guys that expected him to be a "Crosby Malkin" type impact player. Obviously he isn't. He does have a great sense of the game and a ridiculous shot. Not sure about a multi year contract, but he is contributing right now. I'll be real interested to see how he does on Crosby's RW going forward.
That's kind of setting unrealistic expectations.

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I think the impressiveness of his point production is getting glossed over by Pens fans, which is pretty unfair to the guy. He has 8 points in 5 games, which everyone seems to be attributing to the power play.

5 of his 8 points are at even strength. The Penguins have 14 even strength goals in this series so far, and Iginla was in on 5 of them. That's 36% of our ES production that he was in on.

We have 7 PPG so far in the series, and he was in on 3 of those. That's 42% of our total power-play goals that he factored in on.

There is no such thing as "collecting" points on 38% of your team's goals in a series. You don't just happen to touch the puck before a goal was scored 38% of the time in a series. Especially when 5 of his 7 assists were primary assists, so he touched the puck directly prior to the goal being scored on 5 of those 7 goals, and he scored a goal himself.

I think we, as Pens fans, are spoiled by having two of the most game-changing players in the NHL on our team and we get to watch them every night, so we don't notice all of the plays that fly under the radar because a guy just makes a simple play that generates a great shot angle or creates space for a guy like Crosby or Malkin to move in and score a goal.
Good post!

As I said in my post earlier, I would be more concerned if he weren't getting points at all (or few). And as I also posted, there is a lengthy list of superstars that are currently struggling (or struggled before being eliminated) in this post-season, with meagre point totals at best. Not saying Iggy's points are the whole thing either, and yes he's struggled some. I expect him to get better as this thing goes along (provided they knock off the Isles tonight - and during tonight's game). As
Also said, being cautiously optimistic about Jerome and Sid together. Main thing is I hope Pens win and Iggy is the supporting cog he's expected to be.

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Kind of funny seeing this discussion about a guy with the third most points in the playoffs:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm



I remember when we got him and 90% of HF said that Jagr was a far better pickup. How is that going?:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1426695

Iginla has brought a physical element as well.



Could someone please tell me what more they expected or want?

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Great Addition. Hopefully we can talk him down to the 5 Mil range for like two years. Probably will have to throw three at him though. Shero will figure it out. Love the PP ability. Love the shot. Could be more aggressive, but at his age what can you expect?

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The guy is tied for second on the team in points, this despite being misused for the large part of the series when everyone could see he'd click better with Crosby.

What's not to love? If we didn't get him we might not have gotten out of that first round. He provided valuable secondary scoring.

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Think how much better bot Dupuis and Kunitz have been this season after having a summer and "locked-out" time to train together with Sid and develop additional chemistry.

Whether Jarome ultimately plays with Sidney+Duper, or Malkin + Kunitz, having a full summer to be inspired, re-focus himself to train even harder (he is already one of the very best conditioned and most durable players in the league), and become more comfortable with his linemates/teammates, I have no doubt that he'll be able to take his game to even another level.

And even if Jarome "only" played as well as he is playing now for the next couple of seasons, he is still a massive improvement to our overall group of forwards and our whole team.

I say all of this because I'm convinced we will re-sign him. And even if he were not to, he is still making a significant impact and improving our team this season.

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Considering that Igilna is effectively displacing BB now....I don't think the trade was worth it to the Pens. I value BB's superior 5v5 play over Igilna's heavy sided PP play. Igilna is slightly better overall, but BB is not far behind. You could argue that Igilna should allow us to still play BB in place of someone else (like our worst forward playing..Adams), but that isn't the fact with HCDB. He has shown time and time again that he doesn't dress his best lineup.

I hope that I am proven wrong and Iggy is THE REASON we win a game or series. He just hasn't hit that gear yet. He is too cheery and happy to hit that "Orpik focus" that I think you need in the playoffs IMO. He's having too much fun out there to take his game to the next level. This is the Pen's playoffs, not the regular season Flame's country club. These games matter. Sid and Dupper are the sole reasons for all his points and especially his 5v5 points IMO. I don't think it's the other way around.

Do you know who is our worst 5v5 player in respect to goals against / ice time? It's Jarome. This is concerning considering who his line-mates are now. We will see how this holds up against OTT with Sid and Duppers (probably the best 5v5 forwards in the league). He's doing well in some aspects and not well in others. Need more games to come to a better conclusion.

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Bennett looks like he's going to be a heck of a player for the Penguins, should he continue to develop and evolve his game like we've seen. And I'll be glad when he makes it back in the lineup. Because I really think he will.

But Jarome Iginla is more than just slightly better than Beau Bennett.

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It's mind boggling to me that there are some people in here actually saying we would be a better team right now if we hadn't traded for Iggy...

And people are disappointed that he doesn't bring a Crosby/Malkin impact? Do you realize there may be only 2 players in the world that do and they were both already on the Pens?

Expectations people... Keep them realistic

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Having BB ready to take on a full time top 9 role next year gives Shero huge leverage in resigning players. Dupuis asking for too much? Cool, plug BB into the top 6 and move on.

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Having BB ready to take on a full time top 9 role next year gives Shero huge leverage in resigning players. Dupuis asking for too much? Cool, plug BB into the top 6 and move on.
I'm personally very fearful of the Dupuis contract negotiation. I think it's very possible that he justifiably prices himself out of the Pens' payroll. He's had extremely impressive back-to-back seasons, and he's proven (albeit only in brief stretches) that he can produce without Sid. His speed, tenacity and work ethic are somewhere between "good" and "elite." If some desperate team offers him 4+ years at $4M+ per, how can he turn it down? As for us, yeah, we'll likely slot BB into the top 6, and there will be a noticeable dropoff from the top 6 w/ Dupuis. This is coming from somebody who has had a raging Beau-ner since the kid was first called up.

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I'm personally very fearful of the Dupuis contract negotiation. I think it's very possible that he justifiably prices himself out of the Pens' payroll. He's had extremely impressive back-to-back seasons, and he's proven (albeit only in brief stretches) that he can produce without Sid. His speed, tenacity and work ethic are somewhere between "good" and "elite." If some desperate team offers him 4+ years at $4M+ per, how can he turn it down? As for us, yeah, we'll likely slot BB into the top 6, and there will be a noticeable dropoff from the top 6 w/ Dupuis. This is coming from somebody who has had a raging Beau-ner since the kid was first called up.
I think he's a 3rd line player in a year's time here. BB is far more talented and has shown an innate ability to read the play in the D-zone. Iggy will be resigned. Neal is a mainstay. Kuni will keep resigning on short term deals until his wheels fall off.

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Dupes will take a longer term big money deal. Cooke will likely take a longer term deal as well. We obviously have Juice for another year. Morrow will more than likely be willing to take one year deals to win Cups, he's made his money. It's also not a bad time to get some new blood in here. From what I've followed in WBS, we have a few guys who deserve a shot.

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It wasn't the flashiest series for Iggy, but he put up 9 points during it. There's literally nothing to complain about in regards to him.

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