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05-15-2013, 02:29 AM
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Hasek>Gretzky

Roy >>>>> Hasek

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05-15-2013, 02:33 AM
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Hasek>Gretzky
Hull > Hasek



JP though, Hasek is an outstanding player.

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Roy >>>>> Hasek
He did change the game.


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05-15-2013, 02:37 AM
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Hull > Hasek

JP though, Hasek is an outstanding player.

He did change the game.
I decided forego pointing out the obvious that Gretzky was washed up in '98 after 20 pro-seasons

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05-15-2013, 02:44 AM
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I decided forego pointing out the obvious that Gretzky was washed up in '98 after 20 pro-seasons
True, true.

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05-15-2013, 02:52 AM
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If you replaced Hasek on that Czech team with any other player in the history hockey they would not have won that game, heck they wouldn't have won that game. Replace Hasek with a 1986 Gretzky and he would lose that game by at least 3 goals heck I am not even sure they would of made it to that game with 86 Gretzky instead of Hasek.

and FYI Roy isn't on Hasek's level.

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05-15-2013, 02:57 AM
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If you replaced Hasek on that Czech team with any other player in the history hockey they would not have won that game, heck they wouldn't have won that game. Replace Hasek with a 1986 Gretzky and he would lose that game by at least 3 goals heck I am not even sure they would of made it to that game with 86 Gretzky instead of Hasek.

and FYI Roy isn't on Hasek's level.
3 Con Smythes say Hasek ain't on Roy's

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05-15-2013, 03:09 AM
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3 Con Smythes say Hasek ain't on Roy's
Who cares look at the teams he played for. Roy is not on Hasek's level

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05-15-2013, 03:13 AM
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Not true. Wayne had brother who did not make the NHL. Wayne was special.
The problem with Keith and Brent was that their names didn't start with "W." If they had been named Winky and Wario Gretzky, they would have made it.

The Leafs tried to turn Brent into Wario (Wayne + Mario) by giving him #69 in training camp.



Keith didn't drink enough 7-Up.



That snow shower Wayne gave him at the end of that clip also changed him forever. He never saw the ice the same way again.

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Who cares look at the teams he played for. Roy is not on Hasek's level
Yeah, 2 Con Smythes with mediocre Habs teams. Teams that would have been 1st round casualties with Hasek in goal.

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05-15-2013, 03:35 AM
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Yeah, 2 Con Smythes with mediocre Habs teams.
lol poor Roy he got to play with mediocre players like Larry Robinson, Chris Chelios, Denis Savard, Kirk Muller, John LeClair, Bob Gainey, Eric Desjardins, Mats Naslund and Claude Lemiuex. How could he have ever won 2 Stanley Cups with such mediocre talent????

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Teams that would have been 1st round casualties with Hasek in goal.
you don't even believe that. The worst player I named above is better than anyone Hasek played with from 97-01

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05-15-2013, 03:48 AM
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lol poor Roy he got to play with mediocre players like Larry Robinson, Chris Chelios, Denis Savard, Kirk Muller, John LeClair, Bob Gainey, Eric Desjardins, Mats Naslund and Claude Lemiuex. How could he have ever won 2 Stanley Cups with such mediocre talent????

you don't even believe that. The worst player I named above is better than anyone Hasek played with from 97-01
You mean Robinson and Gainey who's best years were a decade earlier in the '70s? A Chelios who hadn't developed yet? A LeClair who didn't blossom as a player until the Habs traded him to the Flyers (and even then he was riding Lindros' coattails)? The rest are solid players but were hardly superstars. There's a reason why those two Habs teams were considered the weakest Cup winners of the modern era (before the 00s brought us such gems as the Stanley Cup Champion Tampa Bay Lightning for example).

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05-15-2013, 04:14 AM
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You mean Robinson and Gainey who's best years were a decade earlier in the '70s? A Chelios who hadn't developed yet? A LeClair who didn't blossom as a player until the Habs traded him to the Flyers (and even then he was riding Lindros' coattails)? The rest are solid players but were hardly superstars. There's a reason why those two Habs teams were considered the weakest Cup winners of the modern era (before the 00s brought us such gems as the Stanley Cup Champion Tampa Bay Lightning for example).
Yes the Patrick Roy Narrative please refer to this thread http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1261773

Got news the Habs weren't playing other Cup winners they were playing crappy Barry Melrose 39-35-10 King teams

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05-15-2013, 05:23 AM
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Does anyone else beleive that current players are the best to ever play the game? for example Ovechkin is a better pure goal scorer than anyone to ever the game, if you took rocket richard and brought him to todays game ovechkin would smoke him. if you took ovechkin and played him in richards era ovechkin would smoke him. i think you could say that about all major sports. they superstars you are watching today are far better than anyone who has played before. Im just sick of current players being compared to players from the past and all the gretzky records. Take crosby and his skill set back 20 years and hes a 200-300 pts pre season guy
I totally disagree with your post respectfully.

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05-15-2013, 05:25 AM
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3 Con Smythes say Hasek ain't on Roy's
And February 1998 and May 2002 say that Roy isn't on Hasek's

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05-15-2013, 05:31 AM
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You mean Robinson and Gainey who's best years were a decade earlier in the '70s? A Chelios who hadn't developed yet? A LeClair who didn't blossom as a player until the Habs traded him to the Flyers (and even then he was riding Lindros' coattails)? The rest are solid players but were hardly superstars. There's a reason why those two Habs teams were considered the weakest Cup winners of the modern era (before the 00s brought us such gems as the Stanley Cup Champion Tampa Bay Lightning for example).
This is so crazy it's not even funny. At their worst LeClair, Gainey, Damphouse, Carbonnau, and others were better than Jason Wooley and Brian Holzinger at their best! Those Habs teams were miles better than Hasek's Sabres!

And, like I said, face to face, in do-or-die situations, Roy lost to Dom twice: on a vastly superior Team Canada and on a comparable Avalanche team.

Hasek >> Roy

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05-15-2013, 05:45 AM
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3 Con Smythes say Hasek ain't on Roy's
Hasek's 6 Vezinas and multiple Hart trophies disagree.

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05-15-2013, 05:51 AM
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Yeah, 2 Con Smythes with mediocre Habs teams. Teams that would have been 1st round casualties with Hasek in goal.
It's easier to win the Conn Smythe than the Hart.

Hasek > Roy

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05-15-2013, 06:24 AM
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3 Con Smythes say Hasek ain't on Roy's
I think it is pretty widely acknowledged idea that Hasek's peak was higher than Roy's. Hasek at his best is the best goaltender of all-time. But Roy had better longevity and was a big game player.

They are practically 1A/1B choice. I prefer Hasek but I can see an argument for Roy.

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05-15-2013, 06:31 AM
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Gretzkey with lots of PP time and no red line?

Om nom nom
I always though Lemieux was more of a PP guy while Greztky killed it evenly everywhere.

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I think as you get older, this argument takes a different shape. When you are in your teens or younger, you always think that generation of players is the best because of the current state of the league, the current medical advances, etc. Then you get older, and you think, well these guys aren't much different now then when I was watching 15-20 years ago.

Great players are great players, it's hard to compare statistics across generations, but if a player was great in 1950, 1970, 1990, or now, they would still be great.

I think the biggest difference isn't between the great players of the generation, but in the depth players. With a world-wide pool to fill rosters nowadays, there isn't any question that the depth in today's league is far greater than it was 20-30 years ago.

So would Ovechkin and Crosby have dominated the league 30 years ago; yes they would have. Would Orr and Gretzky still dominate the league now, of course they would; but it might not be as dramatic because of the depth.

At least that's my two cents...

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With more assists than anyone else has points, how exactly is anyone over Gretzky?

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I think it is pretty widely acknowledged idea that Hasek's peak was higher than Roy's. Hasek at his best is the best goaltender of all-time. But Roy had better longevity and was a big game player.

They are practically 1A/1B choice. I prefer Hasek but I can see an argument for Roy.
If by longevity you mean great in NHL sure Hasek obviously didn't come over until he was 25 but Hasek was great for just as long if not longer Roy was. And there were no bigger games than the 98 Olympics

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And February 1998 and May 2002 say that Roy isn't on Hasek's
NHL >>>>> International play. And you're really going to bring up the year Detroit bought themselves the cup? Please.

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LOL at the Hasek fan-bois crawling out of the woodwork

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LOL at the Hasek fan-bois crawling out of the woodwork
What do you mean? Are you saying that there is no case for Hasek? Take a good hard look at the voting list of the goalie project. The same one you like so much referring to.

Without that seriously weird outlier vote Hasek would have gone over Roy. Hasek had more 1st place votes too IIRC. They are just about as neck and neck as they can be.

To PhillyBlueFan: Yes, by longevity I mean NHL games. Hasek probably could have started his NHL career sooner, but he didn't. NHL is always viewed superior to any other league and only Olympics are really important besides the NHL.

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