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05-12-2013, 11:54 AM
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Instead of potentially being in a great position this offseason, Hollands hoarding and bad contracts from last offseason will put us in a compromised position. He doesn't have the guts to admit Sammy was a mistake.
It would be compromised if there were better players hitting the market. As it is, there are obviously some guys who would be upgrades, but no one I'd want to overspend on cash or term for. At this point, I can see a minor positive to having a bunch of contracts coming off the book after next season even if we can't move much this summer.

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One of CC or KQ and one of Bert, Sammy or Eaves will be bought out, 100% guarnteed.

Brunner, nyquist, tatar, anderssin, smith and dekeyser will all be on the starting roster.

Kh has no choice but to buyout 2 players, dont see any trades going down, and thats without any external help through free agency.
I mostly agree about the D, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us just go into training camp with everyone and then an "injury" or two used to do whatever trimming the roster needs.

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I really don't understand the love affair with a mediocre 4th line center. That doesn't do one thing at an above average level to make him stand out.
He's a rookie who has stepped into our third line, stabilized the center spot, and wins over 50% of his draws. I would agree about rather having him on the fourth line, but that's already more than what Emmerton gives us. And he's been our 4th line center for two years now...

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That sounds like about 5-7 million of that 11.8 to me.
ok ... so that leaves about $4.8 - $6.8 million of cap space, which is enough to add at least one high quality free-agent forward, so why doesn't Holland do it?

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05-12-2013, 12:36 PM
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Instead of potentially being in a great position this offseason, Hollands hoarding and bad contracts from last offseason will put us in a compromised position. He doesn't have the guts to admit Sammy was a mistake.
Yeah, I don't get it. For the last couple years, Holland has been boasting about having a lot of cap space which was going to enable the Wings to take advantage of the implementation of a salary cap by scooping up free agents that other teams could no longer afford. What happened to that plan?

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05-12-2013, 12:40 PM
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I really don't understand the love affair with a mediocre 4th line center. That doesn't do one thing at an above average level to make him stand out.
I like Andersson. He plays big, which is something the Wings desperately need. He's a checking line center, but one with a lot of upside. He's a good skater, he's fearless, and he's defensively sound. He makes good decisions with the puck. I want him on the Wings.

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I like Andersson. He plays big, which is something the Wings desperately need. He's a checking line center, but one with a lot of upside. He's a good skater, he's fearless, and he's defensively sound. He makes good decisions with the puck. I want him on the Wings.
He is a big, but doesn't play big IMO. I don't know how much upside he really has. I don't think he's a very strong skater at all and needs more speed. He is defensively sound, good on the pk, has good hockey IQ and is very responsible in his own end though.

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Honestly, I think we're looking good going into next year, even if the roster stays the same. These guys are learning a ton, seeing what it takes to win. Our rookies will be attentive to coaching in the off season. Knowing what those guys know now, I think a full training camp will be very productive. If everyone progresses as they have been so far I think we're a good team.

Of course, getting a top pairing defenseman and true power forward would really make us contenders...

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Andersson is not good on the PK

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I don't really understand the importance of adding a forward. It seems like they have plenty of depth and experience at forward even though its not as great as they would like. The defense is not so good and is really young. It seems like it would make more sense to sign a veteran defenseman and work on drafting or developing forwards for the future.

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I don't really understand the importance of adding a forward. It seems like they have plenty of depth and experience at forward even though its not as great as they would like. The defense is not so good and is really young. It seems like it would make more sense to sign a veteran defenseman and work on drafting or developing forwards for the future.
the only way you can sign a veteran D is to move a youngster out

Even if you cut Quincey and White....

you've still got
Kronwall, Ericsson, Kindl, Dekeyser, Smith, CC, Lashoff

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the only way you can sign a veteran D is to move a youngster out
Or get rid of Quincey.

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Or get rid of Quincey.
Add him to the Sedin trade?

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Holland's quantity over quality recipe gives him every opportunity to play it safe and do nothing again.

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Holland's quantity over quality recipe gives him every opportunity to play it safe and do nothing again.
Yup. We're in a perfect spot with open cap space to take advantage of other teams having to get rid of quality players. But we'll see more of the same, he'll point to rookie development, injuries and parity as to why he's re-signing Filppula and Cleary instead of going after higher quality talent.

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We can get Torres and Iginla this offseason while still adding Tatar. -- think about the change
Iginla for Flip
Torres for Cleary
Tatar for Miller
More offense. More size. More toughness.

But it takes a "get-up-and-go" GM who doesn't move like a sloth

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We can get Torres and Iginla this offseason while still adding Tatar. -- think about the change
Iginla for Flip
Torres for Cleary
Tatar for Miller
More offense. More size. More toughness.

But it takes a "get-up-and-go" GM who doesn't move like a sloth
Like your idea. But Iggy ain't coming here. I'd rather sign Horton.

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Like your idea. But Iggy ain't coming here. I'd rather sign Horton.
Horton scares me, incredibly injury prone and we'd probably expect him to be physical, which he really isn't. I'd rather have Clarkson at a similar salary.

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If this team buys out Sammy and Quincey. They could then easily (under the cap that is) add a top 6 player (one of Horton, Weiss, Clowe, Clarkson, maybe Penner) and a true defensive dman to play with Kronner. If they do that I think this team will be in a good position to potentially compete for a cup, with the improvement of their young guys.

Lines aren't perfect but I could see something like this and I'd be pretty happy with that lineup.

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Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Joakim Andersson ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
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Like your idea. But Iggy ain't coming here. I'd rather sign Horton.
Why?

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$5M for Stephen Weiss?
Why?
Because they called him Weisserman 12 years ago?
I would just keep Flip if that's all you're going for

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No to Torres, no to Horton, and no to Clarkson(at least at the price he will ask for.) Good day, everyone.

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$5M for Stephen Weiss?
Why?
Because they called him Weisserman 12 years ago?
I would just keep Flip if that's all you're going for
I mostly agree with this post. Weiss for cheaper would be fairly ideal. For all we know, he could break out with a change of scenery. However, I can't imagine him asking for less than Filppula.

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Why?
Pens have room to re-sign him, I think.

There are other, better teams available.

Who can give the same money or more.

I'd like to have him but if he comes available, doubt Kenny would go hard enough for him.

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Yeah, pretty much we should have Crosby traded to Wings, then Iginla will come.

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No to Torres, no to Horton, and no to Clarkson(at least at the price he will ask for.) Good day, everyone.



I mostly agree with this post. Weiss for cheaper would be fairly ideal. For all we know, he could break out with a change of scenery. However, I can't imagine him asking for less than Filppula.
Well I don't think any of Weiss, Horton, Clarkson, etc... will be getting less than 5 mil. If they do great, then its an overestimation on my part. In my above lineup Weiss is just a 5 mil placeholder for any of the listed players. I'd probably go for the cheapest of Weiss, Horton, Clarkson, or Clowe.

The reason I go for Weiss vs Flip is because he is a true top 6 center. He is pretty good at faceoffs, has averaged 75+ games for the most part over the past 5 or so seasons. He has hit 60 pts twice and has hit 20 goals 4 times. He has also done all of this with very little offensive support. Flip in contrast has played quite a bit of time with Dats, Z, Franzen, etc over his career and he has only hit 60+ once and 20 goals once. He also did that as a winger, and the Wings don't really need Fil as a winger. The Wings have Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco etc to fill a skill winger spot in the top 6. In contrast we only have Jarnkrok to maybe replace a top 6 center spot anytime soon. So if we had to pay 5 mil for either I'd take Weiss over Flip. He's proven to be a more consistent scorer and can do so at the center position, whereas Flip almost has to play winger to be effective offensively.

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The issues I have with Weiss is that

A) he is already 30. Can he still maintain that production? He also probably wants 5 years or more.

B) he is 511.

I haven't followed Florida too much the past few years so maybe he plays bigger than 5'11 but still.

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Like your idea. But Iggy ain't coming here. I'd rather sign Horton.
Either approach -- Iginla or Horton -- would improve the Wings.

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