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05-14-2013, 12:50 PM
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Saying Stalberg's been terrible in the playoffs is absurd. But it's hyperbole from BWC, it's expected.

In saying that, he hasn't been as effective as he can be and hasn't been much of a factor in his post-season career. The Hawks need more from him. If Stalberg can't deal with what's happening to him currently, than he shouldn't be in the NHL.

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05-14-2013, 12:55 PM
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I'm actually gonna be pissed if Stalberg sits for Carcillo or Bollig.

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05-14-2013, 12:56 PM
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Saying Stalberg's been terrible in the playoffs is absurd. But it's hyperbole from BWC, it's expected.

In saying that, he hasn't been as effective as he can be and hasn't been much of a factor in his post-season career. The Hawks need more from him. If Stalberg can't deal with what's happening to him currently, than he shouldn't be in the NHL.
You'd have to think that Q agrees Stalberg has been terrible. He's not going to single Stalberg out for no reason.

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05-14-2013, 01:05 PM
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You'd have to think that Q agrees Stalberg has been terrible. He's not going to single Stalberg out for no reason.
He obviously not singling him out for no reason - that doesn't mean Q thinks he's been terrible. The Hawks need more from him. I'm pretty sure that's the message. Just like they need more from Saad, and that message was delivered to him as well.

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You'd have to think that Q agrees Stalberg has been terrible. He's not going to single Stalberg out for no reason.
He wasn't singled out originally though, Saad was with him not skating on the top 4 lines in practice. Sounds like Saad has responded well to it but not so much with Stalberg.

That being said, I don't think Stalberg's play so far warrants him being a scratch.

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Detroit is a team Viktor can have big series against.

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I'd rather he just played but Smith is intriguing. Carcillo, Bollig, different story.
Agreed. Stalberg shouldn't be scratched IMO. But I'd be fine with Smith playing, especially since he's played well in the playoffs before.

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05-14-2013, 01:28 PM
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Stalberg needs to be in there, I wonder if this is Q telling him he needs to be more physical. They need to scratch Carcillo. No reason for him to play against a team like the Wings. I tend to think tomorrow we see the lines we did before the Minnesota series with Handzus scratched.

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When in the playoffs has Bolland ever stunk up the joint to the point where he should have been benched?
I'll be waiting for an answer to this.

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I think Q is just trying to light a fire under his ass.

Stalberg needs to play like it's his last shift, that's when he is at his best. I didn't notice him laying hits like he can, using his speed like he can or back checking like he can.

He needs to stop pretending he's Patrick Kane, trying to skate from end of the ice to the other while stick handling through people. That's my opinion anyway.

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05-14-2013, 02:13 PM
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Stalberg's "playoff failures" are being exaggerated. He was a 4th liner in 2011.. and Phoenix and Minnesota are not series where you would expect Stalberg to be at his best.. those are teams that really like to clog the neutral zone to prevent speedy players from racing right past them. And of course, small sample size. Detroit should be a series that should allow him to excel. Etem and Cogliano were blowing right past their defenders all series.

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05-14-2013, 02:17 PM
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I think Q is just trying to light a fire under his ass.

Stalberg needs to play like it's his last shift, that's when he is at his best. I didn't notice him laying hits like he can, using his speed like he can or back checking like he can.

He needs to stop pretending he's Patrick Kane, trying to skate from end of the ice to the other while stick handling through people. That's my opinion anyway.
Right. He's too big of a body to not knock some people around. I'd love him on the wing opposite Bickell, those guys should be able to make other teams defense pay on the forecheck.

Put Shaw on the grindy try hard line with Frolik and Kruger.

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05-14-2013, 02:19 PM
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Stalberg's "playoff failures" are being exaggerated. He was a 4th liner in 2011.. and Phoenix and Minnesota are not series where you would expect Stalberg to be at his best.. those are teams that really like to clog the neutral zone to prevent speedy players from racing right past them. And of course, small sample size. Detroit should be a series that should allow him to excel. Etem and Cogliano were blowing right past their defenders all series.
So 4th liners cant contribute you say? Guess Frolik/Kruger didn't get memo this year as both have shown solid play offensively and provide valuable PHK work

And last year Stalberg was demoted from top line and ended series on 4th line ,,, How do you not view that as a failure?

Vs Nucks = 7 Gp with 1 goal
Vs Yotes = 6 GP with 2 assists
Vs Wild = 5 GP with 1 assist

18 playoff games = 1 goal + 3 assists

He is a ghost in the tighter checking/more physical playoffs

He doesn't hit , He doesn't score , He doesn't kill penalties , etc... What does he do?

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05-14-2013, 02:20 PM
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Right. He's too big of a body to not knock some people around. I'd love him on the wing opposite Bickell, those guys should be able to make other teams defense pay on the forecheck.

Put Shaw on the grindy try hard line with Frolik and Kruger.
Ya, I agree.

This is how I want to see it.

Saad Toews Hossa (play against Datsyuk line)
Sharp Handzus Kane (play against DET 3rd/4th lines)
Bickell Bolland Stalberg (play against Zetterberg line)
Kruger Shaw Frolik (play against DET 3rd/4th lines)

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What does he do?
This is hilarious, only because you are supporting his avatar!!

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So 4th liners cant contribute you say? Guess Frolik/Kruger didn't get memo this year as both have shown solid play offensively and provide valuable PHK work

And last year Stalberg was demoted from top line and ended series on 4th line ,,, How do you not view that as a failure?

Vs Nucks = 7 Gp with 1 goal
Vs Yotes = 6 GP with 2 assists
Vs Wild = 5 GP with 1 assist

18 playoff games = 1 goal + 3 assists

He is a ghost in the tighter checking/more physical playoffs

He doesn't hit , He doesn't score , He doesn't kill penalties , etc... What does he do?
He was a huge part of why we scored that ot goal in game 1.

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He was a huge part of why we scored that ot goal in game 1.
Yes he was (I have acknowledged that game and his part in it) ,, And what he done since?

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So 4th liners cant contribute you say? Guess Frolik/Kruger didn't get memo this year as both have shown solid play offensively and provide valuable PHK work

And last year Stalberg was demoted from top line and ended series on 4th line ,,, How do you not view that as a failure?

Vs Nucks = 7 Gp with 1 goal
Vs Yotes = 6 GP with 2 assists
Vs Wild = 5 GP with 1 assist

18 playoff games = 1 goal + 3 assists

He is a ghost in the tighter checking/more physical playoffs

He doesn't hit , He doesn't score , He doesn't kill penalties , etc... What does he do?
Andrew Ladd is a career .28 ppg player in the playoffs, Stalberg is .22

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And Ladd could PK , Hit , Play D (Shutdown D) if not scoring

If Stalberg could do that I wouldn't have issue with him

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And Ladd could PK , Hit , Play D (Shutdown D) if not scoring

If Stalberg could do that I wouldn't have issue with him
Andrew Ladd's short handed time on ice per game in the 09-10 season - 0:05 minutes/game. 0:01 in the playoffs that year.

In the 09-10 playoffs, Ladd was credited with 42 hits in 19 games (2.2 hits/game).
Stalberg's hits - 33 hits in 18 career playoff games (1.8 hits/game).

Not a big difference

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Yes he was (I have acknowledged that game and his part in it) ,, And what he done since?
What has Saad done? Toews? Playing a fringe fourth liner over an elite third liner is outstandingly stupid.

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In essence, you can play one of two guys

1) Currently playing like a 4th liner, year long talent level of a 3rd liner, top-end talent of a 2nd liner

or

2) Currently playing like a 4th liner, year long talent level of a 4th liner, top-end talent of a 4th liner

I mean its not tough to figure out...

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Q has shown he has very little tolerance with Stalberg mistakes, relative to other players, and the turnover in Game#5 that Stalberg made just inside the blue line is just the right example Q can use to drive home his point about playing better. On that play, the Hawks were leading and had the game (and the series) pretty much in hand and so the proper play should have been to chip the puck out of the zone. But Stalberg didn't make the proper play. Instead, he tried to carry the puck around the player and had it taken away. Those types of plays can turn momentum around and sometimes are the difference in the game and even the series.

That type of play must be eliminated in order for the Hawks to get to where they want to go, and the fact that it was Stalberg, plays right into Q's hands because he can make an example out of a player he has little patience for to begin with.

Whether one agrees with Q's method or not, it appears that is what is happening and it also appears Q knows that Stalberg won't be back next year so there is nothing to be lost by treating him in this manner.

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What has Saad done? Toews? Playing a fringe fourth liner over an elite third liner is outstandingly stupid.
Elite 3rd liner ,,,,,,, Viktor Stalberg?

Seriously?

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