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Is Phaneuf an Elite Defenseman?

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Yes 60 16.22%
No 169 45.68%
Hell no 141 38.11%
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05-11-2013, 05:28 PM
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Is Phaneuf an Elite Defenseman?

There is someone on the Bruins board who is currently trying to convince us that Phaneuf is an "elite" defenseman.

So I figured, lets put it up to a poll.

Yes I realize everyone has different definitions of elite, but use your own definition

If you say yes, please provide a list of defenseman that you consider elite.

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05-11-2013, 05:31 PM
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No. The elite, to me, are the perennial Norris contenders.

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No. Just no.

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If delivering big hits and having a hard slapshot were the only necessary qualities of a defenseman, then yes he is considered elite.

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I'd say the elite defenders are:

Chara
Karlsson
Weber

And then the fringe ones are
Subban
Suter
Pietrangelo
Doughty
Letang
OEL
(probably some more I'm forgetting)

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Short answer, no.

Long answer, he is a quality offensive defenseman, hits like a bloody truck, generally has good overall awareness and makes better use of his linemates than most give him credit for. That said, his defensive deficiencies are what hold him back. He is prone to far too many gaffs, commits too early and has a tendency to get himself out of position in the defensive zone. He also has a problem with turnovers.

I'd compare him with Edler to a certain extent. Both are similar in their miscues, the primary difference between them being size and speed.

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There is someone on the Bruins board who is currently trying to convince us that Phaneuf is an "elite" defenseman.

So I figured, lets put it up to a poll.

Yes I realize everyone has different definitions of elite, but use your own definition

If you say yes, please provide a list of defenseman that you consider elite.
Are you really that childish man? Agenda polls are the absolute worst. We get it, you hate Phaneuf, you've stated so many times. Give up the act already

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Are you really that childish man? Agenda polls are the absolute worst. We get it, you hate Phaneuf, you've stated so many times. Give up the act already
It's hardly prompted by me

Leaf fan invading the Bruins board trying to shove his "agenda" down our throat haha

Don't come to our board and try to convince us of something if you don't want the truth

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Are you really that childish man? Agenda polls are the absolute worst. We get it, you hate Phaneuf, you've stated so many times. Give up the act already
How is it childish? He asked for opinions from a likely more objective audience to settle the debate. The answer may not be what you'd prefer, but c'est la vie.

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Poor Phaneuf.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/0...fs-realize-it/

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Weber, Suter, Chara, Doughty, Petro or Next years OEL, then no.

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It's hardly prompted by me

Leaf fan invading the Bruins board trying to shove his "agenda" down our throat haha

Don't come to our board and try to convince us of something if you don't want the truth
You still created the poll bud, it bothered you so much that you actually came here to receive approval from other fanbases.

And putting up a poll is going to solve that? How about just ignoring the guy and not responding? If it bothers you that much, report it and the mod will take care of it.

Acting like a child and putting up a poll to get an opinion on a player that is pretty much hated by everyone on this forum doesn't solve anything, the guy is going to keep believing what he wants to believe, so be it. Just like how you would hate Phaneuf regardless of what anyone tried to convince you of.

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Absolutely not.

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You still created the poll bud, it bothered you so much that you actually came here to receive approval from other fanbases.

And putting up a poll is going to solve that? How about just ignoring the guy and not responding? If it bothers you that much, report it and the mod will take care of it.

Acting like a child and putting up a poll to get an opinion on a player that is pretty much hated by everyone on this forum doesn't solve anything, the guy is going to keep believing what he wants to believe, so be it. Just like how you would hate Phaneuf regardless of what anyone tried to convince you of.

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You still created the poll bud, it bothered you so much that you actually came here to receive approval from other fanbases.

And putting up a poll is going to solve that? How about just ignoring the guy and not responding? If it bothers you that much, report it and the mod will take care of it.

Acting like a child and putting up a poll to get an opinion on a player that is pretty much hated by everyone on this forum doesn't solve anything, the guy is going to keep believing what he wants to believe, so be it. Just like how you would hate Phaneuf regardless of what anyone tried to convince you of.
Why don't you just hit the ignore button on me then haha

This poll wouldn't exist if someone wasn't trying to spread their "agenda" in our board

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How is it childish? He asked for opinions from a likely more objective audience to settle the debate. The answer may not be what you'd prefer, but c'est la vie.
Well this post would ring more true if not for the poll results.

Notice, the unbalanced and biased poll results. "Yes", "No", and "Hell No". If he only did "Yes" and "No". Or included "Hell Yes" and "Hell No", then you can make the case that he just wants the answer. Having 2 negative options, with one of them just being a more extreme variation of the other, hints at the fact that this is not a serious poll, but one to further his agenda.

I've done it before (was shocked it wasn't locked). So I'm not really criticizing him for it. However, let's call a spade, a spade. This thread was made so that people can prove him right.

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How is it childish? He asked for opinions from a likely more objective audience to settle the debate. The answer may not be what you'd prefer, but c'est la vie.
Because he hates Phaneuf (he's stated so many times) and he's making this poll to pretty much get his validation. And lol at "more objective audience", Phaneuf is universally hated on this board and the people who jump at Leaf threads tend to be trolls of the Hab, Sens and Canucks variety (sprinkle some Jets fans in there too). I don't care about the answer, he's been a good dman for my favourite team and is vital to the success of this team, as long as he plays well (which he has this year) that's fine with me , I'm not going to waste my time worrying about classifications or if other people consider Phaneuf 'elite'.

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He's good. He's not great.

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As of this past season, Elite:

Chara, Suter, Weber, Karlsson, Letang, Subban, Doughty, and Keith.

Phaneuf is in a category below those guys at this point.

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Well this post would ring more true if not for the poll results.

Notice, the unbalanced and biased poll results. "Yes", "No", and "Hell No". If he only did "Yes" and "No". Or included "Hell Yes" and "Hell No", then you can make the case that he just wants the answer. Having 2 negative options, with one of them just being a more extreme variation of the other, hints at the fact that this is not a serious poll, but one to further his agenda.

I've done it before (was shocked it wasn't locked). So I'm not really criticizing him for it. However, let's call a spade, a spade. This thread was made so that people can prove him right.
This guy has it right.

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Well this post would ring more true if not for the poll results.

Notice, the unbalanced and biased poll results. "Yes", "No", and "Hell No". If he only did "Yes" and "No". Or included "Hell Yes" and "Hell No", then you can make the case that he just wants the answer. Having 2 negative options, with one of them just being a more extreme variation of the other, hints at the fact that this is not a serious poll, but one to further his agenda.

I've done it before (was shocked it wasn't locked). So I'm not really criticizing him for it. However, let's call a spade, a spade. This thread was made so that people can prove him right.
No

A lot of polls have "X player AINEC" "X player" "Y player AINEC" "Y player" options

I put the Hell no option for users that wanted to emphasize that he isn't even close, but thanks for contributing

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No, although I do think he is a serviceable top-pair defenseman. Not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, but he gets too much hate 'round these parts.

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Where is the hell yes option?

OP pls fix

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