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JVR or Seguin?

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JVR 22 24.44%
Seguin 68 75.56%
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05-12-2013, 01:44 PM
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Outside of Seguin's 12 points in 6 games against Toronto in 2011-12, he put up 55 points. Same as his pace (and JVRs) this year, 55 points over 82 games. The kid only shows up against his hometown team. He's one of the softest players in the league, and despite his good shot and speed, he doesn't have any creativity or awareness to play centre. He could be better than he is.

JVR is a skill player and at 6'4 is willing to take hits/punishment to make plays in front of the net. He's got good defensive awareness as well and averages over a minute of PK time a game (Seguin plays none).

Both of these guys haven't "broken out" yet as #2 picks. But I see solid 70 point players in both of them. I'd rather have JVR. I wouldn't want a guy that disappears in the post-season or is as soft as Seguin on my team.

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05-12-2013, 01:53 PM
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Outside of Seguin's 12 points in 6 games against Toronto in 2011-12, he put up 55 points. Same as his pace (and JVRs) this year, 55 points over 82 games. The kid only shows up against his hometown team. He's one of the softest players in the league, and despite his good shot and speed, he doesn't have any creativity or awareness to play centre. He could be better than he is.

JVR is a skill player and at 6'4 is willing to take hits/punishment to make plays in front of the net. He's got good defensive awareness as well and averages over a minute of PK time a game (Seguin plays none).

Both of these guys haven't "broken out" yet as #2 picks. But I see solid 70 point players in both of them. I'd rather have JVR. I wouldn't want a guy that disappears in the post-season or is as soft as Seguin on my team.
He's put up almost 70 points and 1 away from 30 goals as a 20 year old. This year is a down year for Seguin and he matched JVR's career year.

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05-12-2013, 02:12 PM
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Seguin, and it's not even close to being even close.

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05-12-2013, 02:31 PM
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I don't know how good JVR is defensively
Just to clarify, JVR was a mainstay on the second best penalty kill in the league (which probably would have been first were it not for that god awful start). That has to count for something.

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05-12-2013, 02:35 PM
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I don't know how good JVR is defensively but Seguin has turned into a really good back checker. Seguin also started on the fourth line at a younger age.

It's JVR's 4th year in the league and he's 3 years older then Seguin.He's also never scored over 40 points, although I think he would have if this was a regular season.

JVR wil be a good goal scorer but I think Seguin will be quite a bit better in his prime.
Hence, why I said this is JVR's third full year in the league and agin, I can understand that Seguin is 2 ore more years younger but they have both been in the league for basically like same amount of years except a slight edge to JVR because this is his 4th season.


if you counted last year as JVR's full season, then he would be on pace for more than 50+ points season and possibly even cracking 60+ points season if it hadn't been for his foot injury. He was on a verge of a breakout.

In my opinion, if you wanna look at JVR and measure his abilities, look no further than this season because he got to play alongside elite talent for the first time in a full season( even though it was 48 games) with varieties of opportunities.

I have no problem if you think Seguin will be quite better in his prime and I can respect that but at this point in time I don't think he is much better than JVR which was my point all along.


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05-12-2013, 02:45 PM
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Outside of Seguin's 12 points in 6 games against Toronto in 2011-12, he put up 55 points. Same as his pace (and JVRs) this year, 55 points over 82 games. The kid only shows up against his hometown team. He's one of the softest players in the league, and despite his good shot and speed, he doesn't have any creativity or awareness to play centre. He could be better than he is.

JVR is a skill player and at 6'4 is willing to take hits/punishment to make plays in front of the net. He's got good defensive awareness as well and averages over a minute of PK time a game (Seguin plays none).

Both of these guys haven't "broken out" yet as #2 picks. But I see solid 70 point players in both of them. I'd rather have JVR. I wouldn't want a guy that disappears in the post-season or is as soft as Seguin on my team.
Now we're pretending some games don't count?

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05-12-2013, 02:48 PM
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Now we're pretending some games don't count?
Why should they count? Only one team ever shows up for those games anyway.

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05-12-2013, 03:00 PM
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Now we're pretending some games don't count?
No. It just illustrates that Seguin picks and chooses when he wants to play. This post-season, going got tough against a tougher Leafs team, he had already disappeared.

JVRs streaky too.

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05-12-2013, 03:06 PM
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Seguin is overrated. The only excuse clings to, is that he is younger.

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05-12-2013, 03:49 PM
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I don't know how people are actually debating this... (Seguin, if it wasn't clear)

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Now we're pretending some games don't count?
It's OK to count his 5 games against Toronto in the playoffs though.

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Seguin, AINEC.....

Seguin has a lot more skill and potential.

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I'd take Seguin, could see why some people wound say JVR though,

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Seguin, not close.

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Seguin quite easily, though I'm a fan of JVR.

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