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05-11-2005, 10:54 PM
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I want 4 on 4 hockey

I'm starting to lose interest in the NHL
I'll need something to really turn my head when it gets going again.

and to think, here i am a diehard leaf fan not missing a shift for 30 yrs.

think what the americans must be thinking about hockey !

lets face it, the players (equipment) are too big, changing the bluelines or whatever isnt going to make any difference.

even in those big european rinks 5 on 5 hockey offers very little openings when teams are playing defense.

and think of the money teams will save with 17 man rosters !

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I'm starting to lose interest in the NHL
I'll need something to really turn my head when it gets going again.

and to think, here i am a diehard leaf fan not missing a shift for 30 yrs.

think what the americans must be thinking about hockey !

lets face it, the players (equipment) are too big, changing the bluelines or whatever isnt going to make any difference.

even in those big european rinks 5 on 5 hockey offers very little openings when teams are playing defense.

and think of the money teams will save with 17 man rosters !
I wonder though, why wouldn't there be some team out there that perfects the defensive system in a 4 on 4 format the same way new jersey did in the early 90's. I still think the best way to increase scoring is by shrinking the goalies, and possibly increasing the size of the nets, just a little. Just think of how many pucks go off crossbars and posts, that maybe if the nets were an inch or two bigger in height and width, maybe they would've been goals.

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make therinks 6 feet wider all around then shrink the goalie gear

add linesman officials to the lines so we get offsides
if the plays breaks into a brawl they can coem on to the ice with skates on.

I havent decided if I want linesman off the ice or not.

these players are larger then players from the 1930's thus they need more room then the origional design intent.

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damn and i thought this was for road hockey

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International size rinks and slightly bigger goals with restrictions on the size of goalie equipment. That would guarentee an increase in goals.

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International size rinks and slightly bigger goals with restrictions on the size of goalie equipment. That would guarentee an increase in goals.

4 on 4?? when does it stop???

3 on 3 2 on 2 ..

superstar vs superstar...

this is like Gretzkys for Nintendo 64......

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4 on 4?? when does it stop???

3 on 3 2 on 2 ..

superstar vs superstar...

this is like Gretzkys for Nintendo 64......
I was actually arguing against 4 on 4.

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I was actually arguing against 4 on 4.
I was talking about the poster.... I just was lazy to go to the bottom and find reply.. didn't mean to quote you.. sorry lol

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I like the idea of reducing roster sizes by one line and a defensive pairing.

Sure it won't be the old NHL, but this isn't about what is good for the game, this is about what is good for the bottom line of billionaire owners, and marketing a product in the USofA.

I'm sure Bettman is looking at offshoring the product, and setting up rinks in India or China and just broadcasting the games into your living room.

I've heard you can get hockey players offshore in third world countries for $20 a game.

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I like the idea of reducing roster sizes by one line and a defensive pairing.

Sure it won't be the old NHL, but this isn't about what is good for the game, this is about what is good for the bottom line of billionaire owners, and marketing a product in the USofA.

I'm sure Bettman is looking at offshoring the product, and setting up rinks in India or China and just broadcasting the games into your living room.

I've heard you can get hockey players offshore in third world countries for $20 a game.

lmao love it


wish you were wrong

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No thanks on 4 on 4. The league's problems have nothing to do with the number of players on the ice.

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What I would do is make the goalie equipment smaller. keep the nets the way they are. I just want the game to open up though, I just want to see run and gun hockey. I enjoy Leafs and Oilers games they seem to play uptempo style and it's very exciting to watch. Trap is killing hockey.

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No thanks on 4 on 4. The league's problems have nothing to do with the number of players on the ice.
Agreed. 4 on 4 is a goofy idea.

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International size rinks and slightly bigger goals with restrictions on the size of goalie equipment. That would guarentee an increase in goals.
It's pointless to talk about international sized rinks. First off it's not the least bit feasible. Secondly, it won't lead to more goals. The European leagues often have less scoring than the NHL does. In fact, most of the defensive systems we have today originated European hockey.

But I agree they do have to do something about the size of the goalie pads.

Actually, they should have never let it get out of hand in the first place. They should have stopped it while it was happening instead of sitting around with their heads up their arse. It's a lot harder to make them cut back now that they're used to the big equipment.

Same thing with the composite sticks. They should have never been allowed, but you can't take them away now. Baseball was smart enough to put their foot down when aluminum bats were introduced on the market.

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Agreed. 4 on 4 is a goofy idea.



It's pointless to talk about international sized rinks. First off it's not the least bit feasible. Secondly, it won't lead to more goals. The European leagues often have less scoring than the NHL does. In fact, most of the defensive systems we have today originated European hockey.

But I agree they do have to do something about the size of the goalie pads.

Actually, they should have never let it get out of hand in the first place. They should have stopped it while it was happening instead of sitting around with their heads up their arse. It's a lot harder to make them cut back now that they're used to the big equipment.

Same thing with the composite sticks. They should have never been allowed, but you can't take them away now. Baseball was smart enough to put their foot down when aluminum bats were introduced on the market.
And dammit... they need to take out the cork from the sticks lol

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But I agree they do have to do something about the size of the goalie pads.
I think they should allow so many square foot of coverage on the keeper, whether hs is 5'3" or 6'9", they should all get the same coverage.

So if you are 5'3", maybe you take wider pads, if you are 6'9", you want taller, but the area coverage should not exceed a certain amount.

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Agreed to no 4-4.. too drastic IMO. In a perfect world the owners would concede the thousands of dollars they make on the 1st and 2nd rows behind the glass each game night in the lower bowl for the betterment of the game, but...yeah. A larger ice surface would be wonderful for the game IMO. My friends and I have discussed this at length and we are all in agreement it would do so much good to increase the ice surface.

and yeah, OT , but those 1-piece sticks. ****E! Recently here I won a synergy shanahan stick in a tournament raffle, which was cool and quite exciting to try it out, but I'll tell you it broke within 2 weeks - I took a point shot and the blade disintegrated at the heel like it was nothing - really no durability to these things and IMO the difference they make in your shot is negligible. My two piece Louisville TPS with blade is far superior and I have a darn good shot with it and it's going on it's 4th year in service (the shaft) - but with a good heel-curve fiberglass blade (heel-curve always ) it's many times the durability of these flimsly 1-pieces. I'll never buy one -they suck.

And I'm further agreed with the poster who stated that coaching minds would find a way to stifle 4-4 hockey with a defensive system as well. For me, it's not the answer - though as previously I was not as opposed to the new types of nets that are proposed, I think it warrants further thought as to get tenders to reconsider their equipent will likely be a long and tedious deal.

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i love the 4 on 4 overtime

what's so noticeable is i actually get to see passes connecting without a body or stick getting in the way

and what, with the speed and skill defensemen that would be added
the quality of play would increase immeasureably

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i love the 4 on 4 overtime

what's so noticeable is i actually get to see passes connecting without a body or stick getting in the way

and what, with the speed and skill defensemen that would be added
the quality of play would increase immeasureably

4 on 4 doesn't help the game... it makes it worse...

and if your a fan of a cap.. when why would you want 4 on 4.... thats just more money to pay your 1st and 2nd lines and top 4 D.... because you only need 8 players insteas of 10

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You got to wonder if the salary cap will shift all teams towards defensive systems. It's going to be very tough keeping a skilled team together under a cap. You look at some of the offensive oriented teams under the old CBA most of them had bigger payrolls. You need talent to play offense & eventually the talent gets expensive.

I think a team like Minnesota might really be a prototype for what we might see more of in the new CBA. A young defensive oriented team that has found younger players in the draft that they have been able to plug into their line-up out of junior hockey. They might not look great on paper but they did beat a skilled Colorado team 2 seasons ago.

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International size rinks and slightly bigger goals with restrictions on the size of goalie equipment. That would guarentee an increase in goals.
I for some reason can't stand the international size ice. I don't know what it is. It just isn't as intimate of a surrounding. The idea at the begining intrigued me but the more I watch international hockey the more I just don't like it.

Making the blue lines thicker could actuallly help those numerous offside (by an inch) calls that frustrate a hockey fan. Alex would've been grateful for that if it were last year.

I agree with the goalie equipment restrictions minus the knee pads.

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I would say no to 4-on-4 hockey because, to me, you wouldn't have as much excitment in the game. I would like to see players coming off the benches when there's a fight though. In my opinion, it would make the game more exciting when there's a fight.

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I would say no to 4-on-4 hockey because, to me, you wouldn't have as much excitment in the game. I would like to see players coming off the benches when there's a fight though. In my opinion, it would make the game more exciting when there's a fight.


That's not hockey, that's brawling. No interest whatsoever to watch that crap.

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That's not hockey, that's brawling. No interest whatsoever to watch that crap.
Honestly, as I grow older, the whole fighting part is getting rediculous. I'd honestly like to see steps to take it out of the game.

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Four on four. Do not let the five minutes of madness fool you into thinking that would hold up over 82 regular season games. It would be far worse as there is more ice but less possibilities. In fact its a different game. Perhaps the WHA should go this route, they have not a chance in hell anyway so perhaps 4 on 4 could be their thing.

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Four on four. Do not let the five minutes of madness fool you into thinking that would hold up over 82 regular season games. It would be far worse as there is more ice but less possibilities. In fact its a different game. Perhaps the WHA should go this route, they have not a chance in hell anyway so perhaps 4 on 4 could be their thing.
If they are scrapping the NHL and implementing a money making venture, sure.

You can cut about 5 players from the budget.

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