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05-22-2013, 07:58 PM
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Why do we get almost no PP's?

Since the lockout we have been in the bottom 5 in total PP opportunities...wtf?

2005-06 418 PP (28th in NHL)
2006-07 412 PP (6th in NHL)
2007-08 319 PP (27th in NHL)
2008-09 313 PP (27th in NHL)
2009-10 265 PP (29th in NHL)
2010-11 265 PP (27th in NHL)
2011-12 250 PP (t-26th in NHL)
2012-13 122 PP (30th in NHL)

Makes no sense, aside from 2006-07 we have been absolutely screwed. I don't see one team as bad, even offensively inept teams have way more PP.

League leaders in this time....

2005-06 541 PP Los Angeles and Phoenix
2006-07 463 PP Pittsburgh
2007-08 420 PP Carolina
2008-09 374 PP Carolina and Montreal
2009-10 332 PP Carolina
2010-11 346 PP Carolina
2011-12 335 PP Philadelphia
2012-13 203 PP Montreal

WTF is Carolina doing...in 05-06 they were 3rd and 2nd in 06-07, and 5th in 11-12

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05-22-2013, 08:00 PM
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Since the lockout we have been in the bottom 5 in total PP opportunities...wtf?

2005-06 418 PP (28th in NHL)
2006-07 412 PP (6th in NHL)
2007-08 319 PP (27th in NHL)
2008-09 313 PP (27th in NHL)
2009-10 265 PP (29th in NHL)
2010-11 265 PP (27th in NHL)
2011-12 250 PP (t-26th in NHL)
2012-13 122 PP (30th in NHL)

Makes no sense, aside from 2006-07 we have been absolutely screwed. I don't see one team as bad, even offensively inept teams have way more PP.

League leaders in this time....

2005-06 541 PP Los Angeles and Phoenix
2006-07 463 PP Pittsburgh
2007-08 420 PP Carolina
2008-09 374 PP Carolina and Montreal
2009-10 332 PP Carolina
2010-11 346 PP Carolina
2011-12 335 PP Philadelphia
2012-13 203 PP Montreal

WTF is Carolina doing...in 05-06 they were 3rd and 2nd in 06-07, and 5th in 11-12
We aren't a speedy team

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Ya beat me to it. Speed and diving.

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Unfortunately, the league rewards the diving teams over the teams that play the game with honor.

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Bruins fight through stick checks. They don't fall.....and don't complain.

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05-22-2013, 08:14 PM
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Because we are the BIG BAD BRUINS and we are so tough and manly and never dive and arent prissy teams like the HABS and CAROLINA DIVACANES.

Edit: Oh yea I forgot these


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the Rangers have had the last 11 penalties in New York...I have a feeling tomorrow night the Rangers might get the first one called if there was a line in Vegas this looks good- the league needs to stop it right now because it is clearly fishy. I figure tomorrow we may see 3 penalties on NY and 2 on Boston all things equal

Boston for some reason though does not get a lot of power plays and could never figure why, but last night Krejci got tugged and pulled on a break in and if he feel there would have been a call, but you could see him struggle to maintain upright. I always think of Roman Hmarlik going down and the Bruins scoring a big goal in game 5 or 7 on the 2011 playoffs

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The Bruins are plenty fast and the cycle should draw just as many powerplays and no one is better at cycling than Boston.

It's diving and reputation.

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We have the reputation as being tough. Thus they don't need to call anything on the other team.

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05-22-2013, 08:20 PM
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I think lack of a team culture towards embellishment hurts (we fight through checks, get up immediately when knocked down etc). Refs are suckers for the embellishments and it is IMO getting worse not better.

Then I think lack of team speed hurts us. But we have been faster than the Rangers and doing the things that draw penalties (and some were clearly made and not called) which leads me to the third reason-style of play.

The Bruins have a reputation for playing physically and I think the refs kind of look at it as "live by the sword, die by the sword" situation so the Bruins just don't get the calls.

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I think lack of a team culture towards embellishment hurts (we fight through checks, get up immediately when knocked down etc). Refs are suckers for the embellishments and it is IMO getting worse not better.

Then I think lack of team speed hurts us. But we have been faster than the Rangers and doing the things that draw penalties (and some were clearly made and not called) which leads me to the third reason-style of play.

The Bruins have a reputation for playing physically and I think the refs kind of look at it as "live by the sword, die by the sword" situation so the Bruins just don't get the calls.
Spot on. Besides the high sticking calls in game 3 and the grab on Kelly what calls did the refs really miss? When you play a cycle game and there is so much contact the refs are gonna let more go. Much easier to make a call on a rush.

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05-22-2013, 08:38 PM
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Because we are the BIG BAD BRUINS and we are so tough and manly and never dive and arent prissy teams like the HABS and CAROLINA DIVACANES.

Edit: Oh yea I forgot these

You realize you only make yourself look like a fool when you try to mock the rest of the forum, right?

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05-22-2013, 08:41 PM
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How a team plays should have no bearing on a penalty call. Interference is cut and dry, so is a stick to the face how many last night 3 , 4 those are penalties, no excuse.

Where the B's do not get calls is the work along the boards, this is where a team like Montreal makes their living , a little tug, a hit form behind and they drop like they were shot. The problem is we are not getting the calls in open ice and calls like a chop that breaks your stick. There was one play in front of Lundqvist where Bergy was tackled, the announcer called it that way. When I watched the replay I noticed the referee had his eyes looking behind the net and not in front. That is a clear interference call but none came. This is going to be a problem against a team like the Pens, they are drawing so many penalties and have 11 goals and 40 pp in 11 games.....We have 25 pp and 4 goals.

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You realize you only make yourself look like a fool when you try to mock the rest of the forum, right?
As much as your opinion means to me, I think i'll live.

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As much as your opinion means to me, I think i'll live.
Are you gonna try to contribute to the thread and answer the question though?

My take is that it's more about the fact that we don't carry the puck as often as other teams and not about our team speed (we're not that slow) or lack of diving (not that many penalties in general come from dives).

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Are you gonna try to contribute to the thread and answer the question though?

My take is that it's more about the fact that we don't carry the puck as often as other teams and not about our team speed (we're not that slow) or lack of diving (not that many penalties in general come from dives).
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Because we are the BIG BAD BRUINS and we are so tough and manly and never dive and arent prissy teams like the HABS and CAROLINA DIVACANES.

Edit: Oh yea I forgot these

We arent a team that flies through the neutral zone causing teams to hook and trip to slow us down. We are a bang away cycle team. Its harder for refs to call a penalty on a player falling down in the corner during a scrum, than it is on a player flying across center ice and doing a swan dive when they get tripped.

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Bruins have already stopped skating when they get hooked is one example.

They just about stop offensive pushes to go for line changes. Just count their one man rushes or forechecks compared to any other team and you should get another idea as to why.

This is one major pet peeve I have against this team but as long as they win.

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Oveckin said it best

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Look at the penalty Orpik just drew. He grabs Alfredsson's stick and tucks in under his arms goes down and Alfie gets the hooking call, should have been diving. How can the refs not see this, the referee had the play directly in front of him?

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Look at the penalty Orpik just drew. He grabs Alfredsson's stick and tucks in under his arms goes down and Alfie gets the hooking call, should have been diving. How can the refs not see this, the referee had the play directly in front of him?
I brought up in another section of these boards that I would love to see the league have someone in Toronto who looks for this kind of thing and when it happens they are allowed to call the game and reverse the penalty and give one to the offender.

I realize there are some things to figure out on how to do it, but I just want to see games called correctly and not make it so that cheating is acceptable.

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Look at the penalty Orpik just drew. He grabs Alfredsson's stick and tucks in under his arms goes down and Alfie gets the hooking call, should have been diving. How can the refs not see this, the referee had the play directly in front of him?
I'd like to think that this dive by Orpik was so bad that it was the cherry on top of his antics recently, and that he'll a) stop getting any benefit of the doubt and b) start getting called on it and sit in the box. At some point, the refs would reach the point where they are tired of certain players tricking them. Of course, I also hoped that officials would stop being a huge bag of suck at some point in this season, and that hasn't happened yet either.

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Because the referees look at the reactions of the player being 'fouled' rather than the play itself.

Drop your stick-slash
Lift your stick-hook
Snap your head back-high stick
Grab your face-high stick
Turn your shoulder-hook

and so on.

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The answer should be obvious: it's because the refs favor us and don't want to kill our momentum by putting us on the PP.

On the other hand, every time they give the Rangers a PP it's just another chance for the MSG crowd to boo them, for Pierre McGuire to scream at them, for the Rangers players to dissolve into puddles of self-loathing, and for Torts to blow his gelled top.

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Are you gonna try to contribute to the thread and answer the question though?

My take is that it's more about the fact that we don't carry the puck as often as other teams and not about our team speed (we're not that slow) or lack of diving (not that many penalties in general come from dives).
He's a good poster, but probably gets sicks of a lot of the nonsense around here. Not that this thread isn't a good thread, but just saying in general.

I don't think it has to just do with speed and skill, but rather quality speed and skill. Outside of Seguin, the fastest players on this team are Paille, Pevs, Kelly, and maybe Marchand for forwards. A lot of the elite PP teams have lots of quality speed as well as forwards that can move and get to the open areas.

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As far as diving goes, I would like to see the league institute retroactive fines. All games are reviewed and the flagrant stuff gets big fines. Minor or borderline calls get smaller fines. You just make it so that even borderline stuff is money out of their pockets. Be rigorous and consistent and you can cut it down.

That and/or, a major media outlet needs to create WORST DIVER award and it needs come with heavy shame. People need to be publically shamed by TSN, ESPN, NHL, whoever. Money + Shame = Restored Integrity.

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