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06-17-2013, 06:35 PM
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You have a pretty bad memory
I remember it usually happens 30 seconds before he sprains an ankle and misses 10 games. If I had to rank our centers and how much I hope they're here when the rebuild ends it would go;

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Beyond Girgs I'm willing to move anyone for an upgrade. I'd hope wed find more speed that's also attached to some size.

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I remember it usually happens 30 seconds before he sprains an ankle and misses 10 games. If I had to rank our centers and how much I hope they're here when the rebuild ends it would go;

Grigorenko
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Beyond Girgs I'm willing to move anyone for an upgrade. I'd hope wed find more speed that's also attached to some size.
Yeah, that whole one game he missed this year.

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06-17-2013, 06:42 PM
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I remember it usually happens 30 seconds before he sprains an ankle and misses 10 games. If I had to rank our centers and how much I hope they're here when the rebuild ends it would go;

Grigorenko
Girgenson
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Beyond Girgs I'm willing to move anyone for an upgrade. I'd hope wed find more speed that's also attached to some size.
I bet all those guys are here except porter and thats not a bad thing

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06-17-2013, 06:53 PM
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To borrow from one of Jame's quotes, this team has no need for dipsy-doodlers. Ennis is the poster boy for the Sabres' team: small, soft and non-committal. He definitely should be one of the assets Regier is shopping to improve the team IMO.
I respectfully disagree- while his size is an issue, we cannot have a team of everyone being 6'2 and above thats just not feasible.

After watching so much playoff westcoast hockey its glaring apparent we need forwards with speed that can get the puck up the ice faster and skaters not afraid to break the blueline themselves rather than a 87% dump and chase route we tend to go. Speed opens doors to offense and I think we need a few more burners somewhere on our roster(not named gerbe) to help make things happen.

And not to get to far off-topic but I'd leverage that Ennis's Dipsy-doodling abilities or "play-making" abilities would be magnified if he were on a team with more talent around him. I truly believe he has more to show than he has in buffalo and until he gets out from under the staffords-leinos-folignos of the world he wont be able to display much of anything.

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I respectfully disagree- while his size is an issue, we cannot have a team of everyone being 6'2 and above thats just not feasible.

After watching so much playoff westcoast hockey its glaring apparent we need forwards with speed that can get the puck up the ice faster and skaters not afraid to break the blueline themselves rather than a 87% dump and chase route we tend to go. Speed opens doors to offense and I think we need a few more burners somewhere on our roster(not named gerbe) to help make things happen.

And not to get to far off-topic but I'd leverage that Ennis's Dipsy-doodling abilities or "play-making" abilities would be magnified if he were on a team with more talent around him. I truly believe he has more to show than he has in buffalo and until he gets out from under the staffords-leinos-folignos of the world he wont be able to display much of anything.
I agree. Ennis on the wing with Grigo will be a perfect spot for him once Grigs is ready

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06-17-2013, 06:59 PM
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You have a pretty bad memory
Come on, I know you love Ennis, but his physical game pales in comparison to Marchand's. He rarely hits people, doesn't draw a high number of penalties, etc. It's not taking away from the player, he certainly has his qualities, but using his body well and getting under people's skin isn't among them. I wouldn't call him soft like Sabretip does but comparing him to Marchand is over the top.

Edit: Please don't confuse "rarely hits people" with shying away from contact. I'm not saying he shies away from contact.


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Yeah, that whole one game he missed this year.
Ya and he certainly didn't play like you described him this season except the previously mentioned scrap because he shot a puck after the wistle. The year before, when he did play like you described, he crashed the net and we lost him for a month an a half. Injuries are random but theyre gonna happen to him more than a guy Hodgson's size.

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I agree. Ennis on the wing with Grigo will be a perfect spot for him once Grigs is ready
Unfortunately Grigs showed last year he is likely still multiple years away from being anything resembling a #1center so you may be waiting on that combo for quite some time...

also OT but imagine if getzlaf had hit free agency and got Pegula-money'd...Vanek-Getzlaf-Ennis...the thought of the passing abilities to go with vanek and ennis's creativity makes me salivate. Defensively...meh though

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Ya and he certainly didn't play like you described him this season except the previously mentioned scrap because he shot a puck after the wistle. The year before, when he did play like you described, he crashed the net and we lost him for a month an a half. Injuries are random but theyre gonna happen to him more than a guy Hodgson's size.
his average hits per-game have increased every year....? Lol Idk Im reaching Im certainly not gonna defend ennis's physical side.

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To borrow from one of Jame's quotes, this team has no need for dipsy-doodlers. Ennis is the poster boy for the Sabres' team: small, soft and non-committal. He definitely should be one of the assets Regier is shopping to improve the team IMO.
When did Ennis get "soft"? He goes looking for contact far more than most guys his size. Or do you mean defensively?

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I respectfully disagree- while his size is an issue, we cannot have a team of everyone being 6'2 and above thats just not feasible.

After watching so much playoff westcoast hockey its glaring apparent we need forwards with speed that can get the puck up the ice faster and skaters not afraid to break the blueline themselves rather than a 87% dump and chase route we tend to go. Speed opens doors to offense and I think we need a few more burners somewhere on our roster(not named gerbe) to help make things happen.

And not to get to far off-topic but I'd leverage that Ennis's Dipsy-doodling abilities or "play-making" abilities would be magnified if he were on a team with more talent around him. I truly believe he has more to show than he has in buffalo and until he gets out from under the staffords-leinos-folignos of the world he wont be able to display much of anything.
I agree with this. Not to mention, ennis is quite possibly the only player on our roster with a combination of both speed and skill...we have only a few skilled players up front (hodgson and vanek for sure, you can throw in leino and stafford if you're feeling generous), but they don't have the wheels to make defensemen think about backing off the blue line.
Also, IIRC, didn't ennis throw a few pretty big checks this past year? I'm not saying he's a hitting machine. And playing physically isn't his forte, but for a smaller guy, he gave some decent licks

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I agree with this. Not to mention, ennis is quite possibly the only player on our roster with a combination of both speed and skill...we have only a few skilled players up front (hodgson and vanek for sure, you can throw in leino and stafford if you're feeling generous), but they don't have the wheels to make defensemen think about backing off the blue line.
Also, IIRC, didn't ennis throw a few pretty big checks this past year? I'm not saying he's a hitting machine. And playing physically isn't his forte, but for a smaller guy, he gave some decent licks
he won a few carubbas IIRC

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Ennis may not be cream puff soft, but he is miles away from the physical aspect of a Marchand.

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he won a few carubbas IIRC
Rofl, I'm convinced. Who knew we had such a truculent guy on the roster?

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Rofl, I'm convinced. Who knew we had such a truculent guy on the roster?
If you missed it I was being sarcastic lol

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Rofl, I'm convinced. Who knew we had such a truculent guy on the roster?
Hahaha, well played.

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The point remains, Ennis goes into high traffic areas with little fear of what happens to himself and he will throw the occasional check on the unwary -- hello Diaz. Where he needs improvement is in defensive positioning and commitment. Ruff using him as Roy did nothing for the kid's confidence.

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Ennis is fine. I wouldn't want any more players like him on the roster (at least not with his size). He's put up the 4th most points among forwards from his draft in less games than others while having his position flopped around. That is what he's on the roster to do.

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...he crashed the net and we lost him for a month an a half...
Actually, Ryan Malone checked him from behind and sent him crashing into the post. Anyway, Ennis can be a very good LW when all other pieces fall into place, probably 2nd line. Asking him to be more physical is like asking Myers to be Chara. He was also playing out of position (sort of). It's not fair to judge him as a C. As a LW he can be a Marchand type w/o the bull@#$%, and I'm pretty good with that.

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I respectfully disagree- while his size is an issue, we cannot have a team of everyone being 6'2 and above thats just not feasible.
I wish the NHL of 2005-07 were still here but the smallish player has become outcast with the way the game is played and officiated now.

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After watching so much playoff westcoast hockey its glaring apparent we need forwards with speed that can get the puck up the ice faster and skaters not afraid to break the blueline themselves rather than a 87% dump and chase route we tend to go. Speed opens doors to offense and I think we need a few more burners somewhere on our roster(not named gerbe) to help make things happen.
....the Sabres have morphed from one of the fastest teams to one of the slowest in the past 6 years. Adding speed is important but with more size / strength.

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I truly believe he has more to show than he has in buffalo and until he gets out from under the staffords-leinos-folignos of the world he wont be able to display much of anything.
A lack of surrounding talent could be a crutch for a lot of the current players to be excused with.

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When did Ennis get "soft"? He goes looking for contact far more than most guys his size. Or do you mean defensively?
I was referring to his mental toughness - he definitely is willing to stick his nose in and get engaged physically but when adversity occurs or the team falls behind, his effort level wanes. He's also uber-soft on defensive assignments and unwilling to put the work in on that end as he is in using his creativity for offensive duties.

Even though he's smaller, Gerbe is just as willing to engage physically as Ennis; has the same speed; and is far more responsible defensively. He just can't finish consistently and produces less offense than Ennis.

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I wish the NHL of 2005-07 were still here but the smallish player has become outcast with the way the game is played and officiated now.

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....the Sabres have morphed from one of the fastest teams to one of the slowest in the past 6 years. Adding speed is important but with more size / strength.



A lack of surrounding talent could be a crutch for a lot of the current players to be excused with.



I was referring to his mental toughness - he definitely is willing to stick his nose in and get engaged physically but when adversity occurs or the team falls behind, his effort level wanes. He's also uber-soft on defensive assignments and unwilling to put the work in on that end as he is in using his creativity for offensive duties.

Even though he's smaller, Gerbe is just as willing to engage physically as Ennis; has the same speed; and is far more responsible defensively. He just can't finish consistently and produces less offense than Ennis.
Gerbe's also become particularly shy since Bourdon broke him two seasons ago. There is no desire to drive the net there any longer, nor much to get in among the trees down low. Gerbe embracing his role as a speed/positioning defender could keep him in the league, but he didn't do that and I don't know if at this point he's going to. His touch has alluded him, his peskiness isn't what it was since the toll on his body has proven more than he was willing to pay, at least last year. Personally, shipping him to Rochester if he loses his position to a hungrier player out of camp is not out of the question -- I think he would be great as the offensive wing for the Amerks.

As for Ennis, yeah, having one small waterbug offensive player is fine. I like him on the wing in particular, in a complementary role: easier QoC and more O-zone starts. I think there is still more to bring out of his game, they need to stop moving him around and leave him be... on the wing.

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That's quite the blanket statement. I don't consider Ennis soft at all, Ennis is actually a very good hitter for his size and is always seen mixing it up after the whistle.

He kind of reminds me of a slightly more skilled less Kaleta like Marchand. Great hands, good skater, offensive threat who can get under your skin and play above his size. He's really nothing like what you described.
this is a great example of people being willing to say pretty much anything about the players they like...


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There was a period of time where Ennis was playing more physically than Foligno. That's a problem on two counts.

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There was a period of time where Ennis was playing more physically than Foligno. That's a problem on two counts.
In a communication void, with poorly communicated roles and harder responsibilities, the kids didn't fair so well.

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Agreed. I think there is a place for Ennis as a top 6 offensive specialist for the foreseeable future. He's not a power forward but his puck control and skating is enough to make up for it. As long as it's not the rule, there's nothing wrong with flash and finesse in the top-6.

e: Incidentally he's one of the more prolific shot blockers among the forwards.

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