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05-18-2013, 03:46 PM
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I think our top-6 is fine when everyone's healthy, although I'd prefer a different look to balance the lines a little better with the recent playoffs in mind.

First off I think that Laich and Ribeiro needs to stick together because of faceoffs/defensive coverage. I'd also consider splitting Ovie and Backstrom to make the latter less predictable (always looking to feed Ovie).

I also feel Laich and Brouwer is to much a like and to achieve the best balanced scoring they might be better kept apart.

Johansson and Erat seems like pretty similar players, or IMO Erat is where Johansson tops out. Which is why I'd keep Erat (NTC, win-now mode etc.) and look to upgrade the D with Johansson as bait (Luca Sbisa comes to mind).

All this considered I propose a lineup looking like this:
Laich - Ribeiro - Ovechkin
Erat - Backstrom - Brouwer


It also takes some offensive pressure off Backstrom and they can be assigned to play against other teams top lines, consisting of three good two-way players.

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The bottom-6 is harder.
• Perreault has performed admirably this season, and if Oates wants to roll 3 scoring lines he's good bang for the buck.
• Fehr should have his spot secured dispite being snakebit in the playoffs.
• Chimera woke up against the Rags but needs to play like that all year, some people guessed he played injured and it might have been the case because his skating looked a lot better the last 3rd of the season.
• Ward is also a tough one, paid to much but performs when it matters. With the cap going down he might be a casualty.
• Beagle is solid, wins faceoffs, PKs and the only RH C on the roster, and is pretty cheap.
• Hendricks brings a little of everything as well. If he asks for to much though he needs to be let go.
• Volpatti is a 13th-14th type of guy in my eyes. Cheap, brings it when he get the chance, but won't put up many points.
• Wilson will probably be given 4th line RW to start next season unless they decide to give him more chance to develop his offensive game (which I hope they do) in the OHL.
• Latta was brought in for a reason and I'm really curious to see why! From what I've read he seems like a future 3C but might have to work his way up there. NHL ready according to some.

So I think I'd line 'em like this:
Chimera - Perreault - Fehr
Hendricks - Latta - Beagle
Volpatti


Try to trade Ward and keep Wilson down one more year.


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05-18-2013, 04:23 PM
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One thing I would like to see is Alzner spend time this off season on his shot. So many times he has time and space at the blue line to get a shot off because teams don't stick to him due to him not shooting much. If he works on it a lot he can catch a lot of teams off guard with it.

Also, I don't care how good he comes into camp I hope Wilson is in Plymouth next year. Let him hopefully dominate the OHL, get a spot on the world juniors.

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Yotes fan back again. Could anyone give me their thoughts on Jay Beagle, as I'm not very familiar with him. Specifically, kinda want to see a comparison between him and Hendricks. Thanks so much!

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Yotes fan back again. Could anyone give me their thoughts on Jay Beagle, as I'm not very familiar with him. Specifically, kinda want to see a comparison between him and Hendricks. Thanks so much!
Well comparing him to Boyd Gordon is probably easier, since it's a RH center to RH center comparison.

He's a bigger and more physical than Gordon with less hockey sense and puck skill. Similar faceoff and PK abilities.

Beagle's much more of just an energy guy, whereas Boyd can be a shutdown defensive specialist.

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Well comparing him to Boyd Gordon is probably easier, since it's a RH center to RH center comparison.

He's a bigger and more physical than Gordon with less hockey sense and puck skill. Similar faceoff and PK abilities.

Beagle's much more of just an energy guy, whereas Boyd can be a shutdown defensive specialist.
Okay. What would be the asking price on him then (if he's available)?

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Okay. What would be the asking price on him then (if he's available)?
He's basically replacement level (faceoff specialists are not exactly rare and I expect those are guys who will become even cheaper with the cap going down). Wouldn't take much but then, who bothers trading those guys in the offseason?

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He's basically replacement level (faceoff specialists are not exactly rare and I expect those are guys who will become even cheaper with the cap going down). Wouldn't take much but then, who bothers trading those guys in the offseason?
True. Not sure how FA will be like this off season, so just trying to Moneyball potential replacements for Gordon and/or Chipchura if we're unable to resign them. Nervous about resigning Gordon for $2 million+, and extremely nervous of giving Hendricks that type of money as well. Needless to say, Beagle's cap hit over the next two seasons would be very favorable for the Yotes. Just wasn't sure about his skill set, though it appears he has the right mix.

If we do end up doing a Klesla for Neuvirth trade, perhaps Beagle could be thrown into the mix?

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Johansson and Erat seems like pretty similar players.
in what way? they shoot left handed? in just about every other way they are different. johansson is young, erat a veteran. erat is a hitter, johansson is not. johansson is a speed merchant, erat is not.

ok....johansson where's #90. erat where's #10. they have the zero in common

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Swap out Ribiero for Derek Roy IMO. Would like to add another D like Grant Clitsome we just need to get more physical on the blue line. Was clear Erskine, while effective cant be getting 20 mins Heck I wouldn't mind Ferrence just to get some vet experience.

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I'd be happy with Roy for Ribeiro, assuming there's some cap discount.

I think Clitsome would be just as ineffective as Erskine in those 20 minutes.

The #1 priority this offseason should be finding that defenseman that's a net positive in 20+ minutes as Carlson's (or Green's) partner.

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I'd be happy with Roy for Ribeiro, assuming there's some cap discount.

I think Clitsome would be just as ineffective as Erskine in those 20 minutes.

The #1 priority this offseason should be finding that defenseman that's a net positive in 20+ minutes as Carlson's (or Green's) partner.
Its easy to say, but who would that be? Reality is you've got to give to get and at this point, we don't have a lot to give.

I'd personally look to trade Laich for a 2D somewhere, or someone who can split time with Orlov. I think at this point, its sink or swim for him. Not sure what more he can do at the AHL level.

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in what way? they shoot left handed? in just about every other way they are different. johansson is young, erat a veteran. erat is a hitter, johansson is not. johansson is a speed merchant, erat is not.

ok....johansson where's #90. erat where's #10. they have the zero in common
Yes, both are left handed, have a pass first mentality, are fast, good defensively, perimeterplayers etc.
Seems pretty similar to me!

But I know you're mad because I want your precious MoJo traded, so I guess if that's all you could single out from my post I'll take that as a compliment!

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True. Not sure how FA will be like this off season, so just trying to Moneyball potential replacements for Gordon and/or Chipchura if we're unable to resign them. Nervous about resigning Gordon for $2 million+, and extremely nervous of giving Hendricks that type of money as well. Needless to say, Beagle's cap hit over the next two seasons would be very favorable for the Yotes. Just wasn't sure about his skill set, though it appears he has the right mix.

If we do end up doing a Klesla for Neuvirth trade, perhaps Beagle could be thrown into the mix?
Beagle is the kind of guy who very rarely get traded. His value to us is much higher than to anyone else because he's an established piece of the puzzle with pretty long (for a 4th liner) contract. Michael Latta could replace him... or he could not.

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The #1 priority this offseason should be finding that defenseman that's a net positive in 20+ minutes as Carlson's (or Green's) partner.
Agreed. In fact since there is no way I can see them affording both a proven 2C and another proven top 4 LD I would be fine going forward with one of Johansson, Perreault, or Laich as the 2C next season if it meant adding a legit top 4 LD.

And just to head it off I am sure there is a way for them to have both if they jettison enough other salary but IMO McPhee actually doing that is fantasy.

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Its easy to say, but who would that be? Reality is you've got to give to get and at this point, we don't have a lot to give.

I'd personally look to trade Laich for a 2D somewhere, or someone who can split time with Orlov. I think at this point, its sink or swim for him. Not sure what more he can do at the AHL level.
Scuderi as a UFA. Klesla, Hjalmarsson, Edler, maybe Staal in a trade.

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This may not be part of consideration for any big moves, but overall, I think this series demonstrated (again) the value of team speed. The speed equation at least to me seemed to change radically once Erat was out. 2nd line slowed down, and then with Ward replacing Fehr, the 3rd line slowed down, too. And of course, to the degree that Erskine was exposed, speed was a big factor -- and once he was under a lot of time pressure to make decisions, that also probably contributed to mistake.

So what exactly to do about it? Well, as far as forwards, I'd want another speedy guy in the top-9. Laich/Ward would be obvious trade chips. They're not bad in playoffs, but their contracts are too fat for their depth chart position, and their skillset is not really critical to the team at this point.

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why are people saying we should trade laich..means alot more to this team then people think i guess.

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why are people saying we should trade laich..means alot more to this team then people think i guess.
Mostly because there's way too large a portion of the cap room tied up on the wings.

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Mostly because there's way too large a portion of the cap room tied up on the wings.
And because he means a lot less to the team than most people think.

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Swap out Ribiero for Derek Roy IMO. Would like to add another D like Grant Clitsome we just need to get more physical on the blue line. Was clear Erskine, while effective cant be getting 20 mins Heck I wouldn't mind Ferrence just to get some vet experience.
Take it from a guy who lives in Winnipeg. I won't go into too much detail as I don't have enough time to write a bunch of paragraphs of pure hate. A big fat ****ing NO to Grant "get some" Clitsome.

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And because he means a lot less to the team than most people think.
Nope, not really. Just the opposite, actually.

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Nope, not really. Just the opposite, actually.
You're right. I forgot he gets advance copies of Justin Bieber's albums to play in the locker room. #SWAG

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You're right. I forgot he gets advance copies of Justin Bieber's albums to play in the locker room. #SWAG
Your hatred for anyone that's forthcoming with or tries to show leadership through the press is puzzling.

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Your hatred for anyone that's forthcoming with or tries to show leadership through the press is puzzling.
Clearly what the team needs.


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And the convincing, relevant points just keep on coming.

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