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05-14-2013, 03:28 PM
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Carolina Hurricanes 2012-2013 Roster
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Left WingCenter Right Wing
Jiri Tlusty (1.6) Eric Staal (8.25) Alex Semin (7.0)
Tuomo Ruutu (4.75) Jordan Staal (6.0) Evgenii Dadonov (1.0) or Jeremy Welsh (.850)
Zac Dalpe (.750) Jeff Skinner (5.725)Patrick Dwyer (.900)
Nick Blanchard (.537) Riley Nash (.950) Jared Staal (.666)

Defence
LeftRight
Justin Faulk (.900) Tim Gleason (4.0)
Joni Pitkanen (4.5) Ryan Murphy (1.3)
Jamie McBain (1.8) Jay Harrison (1.5)

Goaltending
Cam Ward: 6.3
Dan Ellis: .850

Cap: 64 million
Cap Payroll: 59 million
Projected Cap space: 5 million

Basic lineup. Gives us money to either improve 2nd/3rd lines or get a top 4 defender.

We have to pay Tlusty and Faulk in 2014, so committing a lot of money in FA would not be prudent. Though if we can get Dadonov over here and sign Stalberg, we will have a very, very good forward corp.


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05-14-2013, 03:38 PM
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I made it with in a mil of JRs 61M cap, but traded Skinner + McBain for Marc Staal + Boyle.
And that's kind of the problem. We can fit a decent lineup under that cap, but one of Ruutu/Skinner/Gleason/Pitkanen needs to be on the way out. Too much tied up into those players for too little results.

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05-14-2013, 04:22 PM
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And that's kind of the problem. We can fit a decent lineup under that cap, but one of Ruutu/Skinner/Gleason/Pitkanen needs to be on the way out. Too much tied up into those players for too little results.
One of these things is not like the others.

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05-14-2013, 04:30 PM
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Tlusty - E Staal - Semin
Ruutu - J Staal - Dwyer
Skinner - Monahan - Dalpe
Blanchard - Nash - Welsh
Westgarth

Gleason - Faulk
Pitkanen - (Hainsey/Streit at $4 mil)
Harrison - Murphy
Bellemore

Pretty sad looking at CapGeek and realizing we are handcuffed by Gleason and Ruutu until 2016-17.

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And that's kind of the problem. We can fit a decent lineup under that cap, but one of Ruutu/Skinner/Gleason/Pitkanen needs to be on the way out. Too much tied up into those players for too little results.
I can't make that 61M number with out trading, Keeping Skinner, and trying for a bargain:

Jiri Tlusty ($1.600m) / Eric Staal ($8.250m) / Alexander Semin ($7.000m)
Victor Rask ($0.863m) / Jordan Staal ($6.000m) / Tuomo Ruutu ($4.750m)
Jeff Skinner ($5.725m) / Sean Monahan ($1.400m) / Patrick Dwyer ($0.900m)
Nicolas Blanchard ($0.538m) / Riley Nash ($0.735m) / Kevin Westgarth ($0.725m)
Jared Staal ($0.578m)
Joni Pitkanen ($4.500m) / Tim Gleason ($4.000m)
Justin Faulk ($0.900m) / Ryan Murphy ($1.313m)
Jay Harrison ($1.500m) / Douglas Murray ($2.000m)
Brett Bellemore ($0.525m)
Cam Ward ($6.300m)
Dan Ellis ($0.800m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,926,667; BONUSES: $742,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,115,833


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05-14-2013, 08:40 PM
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Jiri Tlusty-Eric Staal-Alex Semin
Jeff Skinner-Sean Monahan-Zac Dalpe
Drayson Bowman-Jordan Staal-Tuomo Ruutu
Tim Wallace-Riley Nash-Pat Dwyer

Justin Faulk-Tim Gleason
Joni Pitkanen-????????
Ryan Murphy-Jay Harrison

Cam Ward
Dan Ellis

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05-14-2013, 10:09 PM
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One of these things is not like the others.
You're right. Gleason will probably play 70+ games.

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05-15-2013, 12:01 AM
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You're right. Gleason will probably play 70+ games.
I really hope he does. One injury pretty much anywhere on the D makes an already bad Defense significantly worse.

I think Skinner will finally establish himself as a consistent elite talent though. He just desperately needs a playmaker, hopefully Rask or Monahan can deliver.

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05-15-2013, 12:53 AM
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Don't worry guys we are a Mike Commodore and Bergeron resigning away from a cup.

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05-15-2013, 01:53 AM
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Let's give it another shot then:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Jiri Tlusty ($1.600m) / Eric Staal ($8.250m) / Alexander Semin ($7.000m)
Tuomo Ruutu ($4.750m) / Jordan Staal ($6.000m) / Tyler Kennedy ($2.000m)
Jeff Skinner ($5.725m) / Sean Monahan ($1.500m) / Victor Rask ($0.863m)
Brett Sutter ($0.550m) / Riley Nash ($0.735m) / Jeremy Welsh ($0.850m)
Nicolas Blanchard ($0.538m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Justin Faulk ($0.900m) / Tim Gleason ($4.000m)
Joni Pitkanen ($4.500m) / Bobby Sanguinetti ($0.700m)
Scott Hannan ($1.000m) / Ryan Murphy ($1.313m)
Brett Bellemore ($0.525m) /

GOALTENDERS
Cam Ward ($6.300m)
Cedrick Desjardins ($0.600m)

OTHER
Buyout: Derek Joslin ($0.125m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1.400% of upper limit)
Jussi Jokinen ($0.900m—0.3%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,224,167; BONUSES: $742,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,818,333

Trade Dwyer+McBain to Pitts for TK and a draft pick. I like Dwyer, but Kennedy's track record makes this a slight upgrade. Trade Harrison as well, he makes too much money. Sign one cheap, old-ass free agent d-man to play the 3rd pair with Murphy, then hope Pitkanen can nursemaid Sanguinetti the way he did with McBain.

Desjardins sucks, but his career numbers in the NHL are stellar. No really, they are. Career GAA 2.14, sv% of .926. And his nickname is "Cedrick the Entertainer". And he won a Kelly Cup with the Cyclones. And he couldn't be worse than Peters.

Fill out the forwards with kids and hope to hell they can play. If Rask can't play, send him down for Dalpe. If Dalpe can't play, send him down for Terry. If Terry can't play, send him down for anybody else with a modicum of an offensive game. (i.e., not Bowman)

And if by some chance it all comes together and makes for a playoff team, then go for a vet D at the trade deadline.

It's not all bad. I think.


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05-15-2013, 02:19 AM
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I like H2H's projected lineup, and not only because it's easy to read on the HF mobile site.

The 4th line though, is lacking veteran leadership big time. Good checking line players, but there are a couple of gritty vets that we've had too much success with to leave out. Not really feeling Dadonov in a grinding role because that's not his style of play. Switch him with Dwyer and I can actually see him having success with Skinner. Interesting that you brought him up because he's had a lot of pro experience by now and could very well fit into JR's plans. It's likely that at least one of Dalps/Dads/Draybo/Welsh/Rask pans out next year, so they could then go out on a limb by drafting and developing Nich.

No toughness added at all to those d-corps, but I'm willing to give McBain anoher shot. I like Pitkanen next to him to balance out his athletic woes, and Harrison Is a perfect partner for Murphy.

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05-15-2013, 02:42 AM
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I won't even venture a guess, but do remember that Jiri Tlusty and Justin Faulk are free agents after this year and their importance to this team cannot be minimized, nor will their projected salaries. Chances are good that they will both need contracts in the $2.5-3.5 million range depending upon the quality of seasons they produce next year. Potentially on the higher end of that spectrum. We can't afford to go balls out.

The potential bending points are incorporating draft picks, being able to realistically move Ruutu and McBain, and what Pitkanen looks like to start the season.

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05-15-2013, 08:04 AM
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I won't even venture a guess, but do remember that Jiri Tlusty and Justin Faulk are free agents after this year and their importance to this team cannot be minimized, nor will their projected salaries. Chances are good that they will both need contracts in the $2.5-3.5 million range depending upon the quality of seasons they produce next year. Potentially on the higher end of that spectrum. We can't afford to go balls out.

The potential bending points are incorporating draft picks, being able to realistically move Ruutu and McBain, and what Pitkanen looks like to start the season.
This is JR we are talking about, he has never met an over bloated 2nd or 3rd RFA "reward" contract he didn't like.

My guess would be to pencil in Faulk and Tlusty for at least $3-4 million each.

But the Cap is slated to rise, a lot of the Canes added breathing room will probably go there.


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I won't even venture a guess, but do remember that Jiri Tlusty and Justin Faulk are free agents after this year and their importance to this team cannot be minimized, nor will their projected salaries. Chances are good that they will both need contracts in the $2.5-3.5 million range depending upon the quality of seasons they produce next year. Potentially on the higher end of that spectrum. We can't afford to go balls out.

The potential bending points are incorporating draft picks, being able to realistically move Ruutu and McBain, and what Pitkanen looks like to start the season.
Pitkanen is a UFA after 13-14, so that is one potential source of additional money to pay Faulk & Tlusty. Obviously Pitkanen's recovery from the broken heel will be a major factor in that decision, but I can see the money from Pitkanen going toward Faulk & Tlusty.

There's also the chance of a compliance buyout after 13-14, although I think that's less likely.

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05-15-2013, 09:09 AM
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Jokinen and Joslin come off the books in 2014 as well for another million got Tlusty and Faulk.


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Enough with the realism ladies and gentlemen; it's depressing. Let’s get our echlfreak on (not meant to be malicious)…


Acquisitions

Rask + Skinner (+) for 12th Overall + Brandon Gormley + Zbynek Michalek

While the Canes don’t get a current, legit top-pairing defenseman and give up the best player in the deal, this trade goes a long way in shoring up the short and long-term defense.

12th Overall + 66th Overall + 2014 2nd for 7th Overall


Disappointed that Jones/MacKinnon/Drouin/Barkov/Monahan/Lindholm are off the board, the Oilers opt to trade down for a couple picks and Edmonton Oil King Curtis Lazar.

McBain for Colin Greening


Sens fill a void in the defense presumably left by the departure of Sergei Gonchar and the Canes get a big-bodied, defensively responsible winger to pair with former Cornell linemate Riley Nash.

35th Overall Pick + Welsh for Alex Tanguay

The Flames embrace their rebuild picking up a couple prospects and the Canes get a 2nd line playmaking wing to help offset the loss of Skinner.

Bowman for Conditional 7th


Cap dump.

Draft Sean Monahan and Valeri Nichushkin with the notable picks (5th and 7th Overall)

SM gives the Canes crazy center depth and affords them the opportunity to wait on the Russian.

Brett Carson - 1 year / $.550 mil (2-Way)

"Veteran Defenseman" - Check. Former Cane - Check.

Jerred Smithson - 2 years / $1.65 mil


4th liner that hits, kills penalties and wins faceoffs.


Extensions

Brett Bellemore - 1 year / $.550 mil (2-Way)

Comparable - Brett Bellemore (http://www.capgeek.com/player/1472)

Zac Dalpe - 1 year / $.625 mil


Comparable - Zach Boychuk (http://www.capgeek.com/player/545)

Dan Ellis - 1 year / $.800 mil


Comparable - Dan Ellis (http://www.capgeek.com/player/1067)

Justin Faulk - 6 years / $25.5 mil

Comparable - John Carlson (http://www.capgeek.com/player/1248)

Riley Nash - 2 years / $1.4 mil

Comparable - Nick Bonino (http://www.capgeek.com/player/1642)

Jiri Tlusty - 3 years / $10 mil

Comparable - Matt Moulson (http://www.capgeek.com/player/1027)


CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
2013-2014 Carolina Hurricanes
FORWARDS

Jiri Tlusty ($1.600m) / Eric Staal ($8.250m) / Alexander Semin ($7.000m)
Alex Tanguay ($3.500m) / Jordan Staal ($6.000m) / Tuomo Ruutu ($4.750m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Riley Nash ($0.700m) / Zac Dalpe ($0.625m)
Sean Monahan ($1.744m) / Jerred Smithson ($0.825m) / Patrick Dwyer ($0.900m)
Kevin Westgarth ($0.725m)
DEFENSEMEN
Tim Gleason ($4.000m) / Justin Faulk ($0.900m)
Joni Pitkanen ($4.500m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Brandon Gormley ($1.315m) / Jay Harrison ($1.500m)
Brett Bellemore/Brett Carson ($0.550m)
GOALTENDERS
Cam Ward ($6.300m)
Dan Ellis ($0.800m)
OTHER
Buyout: Derek Joslin ($0.125m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1.475% of upper limit)
Jussi Jokinen ($0.900m—0.3%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $61,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,325,833; BONUSES: $1,335,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $9,167


+ Better 2nd line
+ 4th line that won’t be a liability defensively and features penalty killers
+ Potentially the best defense in years
+ Sick prospect pool in terms of high-end talent
- Not as physical as it probably needs to be
- 3rd line is one gigantic ?

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05-15-2013, 09:36 AM
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You essentially traded Jeff Skinner for Alex Tanguay... 33 year old Alex Tanguay.

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If nothing else I could get behind a McBain for Greening trade.

That is pretty equal value and exactly what the Canes need.

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You essentially traded Jeff Skinner for Alex Tanguay... 33 year old Alex Tanguay.
Skinner also got the 12th pick which was packaged to get Nichushkin.

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Skinner also got the 12th pick which was packaged to get Nichushkin.
And Michalek and Gormley.

Not on board with this line of thinking entirely, but he certainly didn't basically trade Skinner for Tanguay. In fact, nothing in the return of Skinner went to Calgary for Tanguay at all.

Unfortunately I doubt Faulk goes for a deal like that when it's all said and done. McBain for Greening is a big thumbs up, at least.

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Just curious. Why is everyone just assuming Rask is going to be able to make the jump to this team? He wasn't even able to prove himself at the AHL level yet.... I think he needs at least half a year to a year of development at the AHL level, or are we just going to throw him into the ocean and see if he can swim?

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Just curious. Why is everyone just assuming Rask is going to be able to make the jump to this team? He wasn't even able to prove himself at the AHL level yet.... I think he needs at least half a year to a year of development at the AHL level, or are we just going to throw him into the ocean and see if he can swim?
Generally, that's the magic of Carolina hurricanes hockey.

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keep skinner but shop and if VERY good return then sure. but VERY good return only. changed my mind about him and maybe he should be held onto. j. faulk; $ seems fine but don't know if he would go for 6 yrs.. if jiri has another good year he may want more $ and justifiably so. picks, who knows? i like the soft russian.


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And Michalek and Gormley.

Not on board with this line of thinking entirely, but he certainly didn't basically trade Skinner for Tanguay. In fact, nothing in the return of Skinner went to Calgary for Tanguay at all.

Unfortunately I doubt Faulk goes for a deal like that when it's all said and done. McBain for Greening is a big thumbs up, at least.
I meant in the lineup. Not the trade itself. Shouldn't rely on so many rookies, either. They are getting vastly overrated here lately.

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