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05-14-2013, 08:46 AM
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The James Reimer conundrum

I'm actually at a loss right now thinking about what to think of him.
I'll be the first to say he had a great year overall this year and without him we would have not been in OT of a Game Seven this year.
I was a big skeptic of him ever since he first got the call up and played out of his mind the last half of the year his first season in the league...then thinking I was correct with my assumption seeing how bad he played last year.

Looking back at this playoffs..You can recall how he stands on his head in games 5 and 6..but can also remember The Game 4 OT goal and then the last night collapse.

My point is..Do any of you feel the same way I do? That he'll always be the guy who has the ability to play great..but I never quite trust..(Rebound Control..eek)

Do you think he's a guy we could actually win a cup with?
Would we be in the second round right now with an Elite Goalie?

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05-14-2013, 08:50 AM
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No one can say with certainty and it will be a story to follow with the next playoff runs this team experiences.

I do have to say though, whether Reimer is shining for us or not, I know what you mean by the 'trust' factor. As mediocre as I think Rask played, even when he isn't at the top of his game, he makes things look easy. Same with Price too. Ultimately, this might mean nothing at all, but it would be nice to see Reimer's control refined so he's absorbing pucks and demotivating instead of giving up those wild rebounds and letting the momentum grow for the other team.

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05-14-2013, 08:51 AM
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If reimer had some defense that were actually capable defense men, we wouldn't be talking about this right now.

he is FAR from the problem.

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I think the series ends at game 5 without him.

Last night was deflating for sure but i'm still comfortable with him in net. I think our goaltending woes may be a thing of the past thankfully.

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It's not Reimer...it's Leaf goaltending in general. No matter what Goalie you put in net there will be questions until a deep playoff run happens, and even then, knowing this market there will be questions. Any one remeber the 'Jo-sieve' front page on the Toronto Sun when the Leafs lost Game 1 of the second roung to Ottawa 5-0 after finishing a 7 game series?

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op, i think you mirror my thoughts to the letter.

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I think he performed admirably. You cannot pin this loss on him. Pure, and simple. He carried them into the playoffs and on to game 7.

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Reimer's rebound control has gotten worse this year due to him changing his stance. He is the second youngest starting goalie in the NHL, give him time to improve. Last night was not his fault, he was left out to dry, all 4 goals were good goals and hard for any goalie.

Did anyone see how long his teammates held him when they lost and he was crying. This team is a family, and they let him down. This will only make the whole team stronger.

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05-14-2013, 09:00 AM
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Did anyone see how long his teammates held him when they lost and he was crying. This team is a family, and they let him down. This will only make the whole team stronger.
turned the game off immediately after the goal went in so i didn't see that. really feel bad for them

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What's that you say? A 25 year old goalie who just finished his first ever playoff series on the big stage and helped force a game 7 against one of the best teams in the NHL has things he can improve on? NO WAI.

And yes, he's a guy you can win a Cup with. You can technically win a Cup with anyone. "Fate" doesn't exist and players' career paths aren't predestined.

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He made the first saves typically. He did faulted some but this isn't about a young tender choking its about deflated lines playing exhausted not moving to help the cause at the coaches will.

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Did anyone see how long his teammates held him when they lost and he was crying. This team is a family, and they let him down. This will only make the whole team stronger.
I stopped watching when the Bruins tied it so I didn't see this, but that's wonderful and rather sweet. It's nice to see they're a tight-knit group.

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I'm actually at a loss right now thinking about what to think of him.
I'll be the first to say he had a great year overall this year and without him we would have not been in OT of a Game Seven this year.
I was a big skeptic of him ever since he first got the call up and played out of his mind the last half of the year his first season in the league...then thinking I was correct with my assumption seeing how bad he played last year.

Looking back at this playoffs..You can recall how he stands on his head in games 5 and 6..but can also remember The Game 4 OT goal and then the last night collapse.

My point is..Do any of you feel the same way I do? That he'll always be the guy who has the ability to play great..but I never quite trust..(Rebound Control..eek)

Do you think he's a guy we could actually win a cup with?
Would we be in the second round right now with an Elite Goalie?
Remember Bozak's breakaway goal? Looked exactly like the game 4 OT goal. And last night, goals were either crazy scrambles, or screens. All he needs to do is get some softer equipment and absorb the shots to not give up big rebounds. I like his athleticism, and what he's got between the ears. Get one rock solid D-man and we're in good shape.

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Why must people always try to find an individual scapegoat in a team sport.

No Reimer = No playoffs
No Reimer = No Game 7
No Reimer = No 4-1 lead late in the game

He faced the most shots of any goalie in the Playoffs so far and made the most saves of any goalie in the Playoffs so far.

Of course there are areas to improve, but Reimer is 25 years old with somewhere around 100 NHL games under his belt. I think he's a proven starter in this league and is going to get better with experience.

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05-14-2013, 09:12 AM
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He needs to work on controlling his rebounds this summer. His glove-hand.

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If reimer had some defense that were actually capable defense men, we wouldn't be talking about this right now.

he is FAR from the problem.
+1 .

When your defense consists of only one top pairing player who gets leaned on far too much (Phaneuf), one second pairing dman (Gunnarsson), one third pairing PP specialist (Franson), one developing top 4 stud who still has trouble in the defensive zone (Gardiner) and then AHL guys, you can't expect your goalie to be superman and win you multiple games. How many goals this series did Reimer let in because it was his 6th, 7th or 8th shot within seconds because our defense was running around?

We need, need, need to add a top pairing guy to play with Phaneuf. It's by far our biggest need and would go a long way to making things look a whole lot better. YOu can't expect Reimer to play like Lundqvist if he's not seeing his team move the puck out of his end. You can't expect Phaneuf to play a perfect game like Lidstrom when he's constantly being leaned on for 25 plus minutes a game.

This team absolutely is headed in the right direction. Reimer is without a doubt the team's future in net. But we need to find a top pairing dman for the team. It is paramount to the future.

But this also has to do with the Bruins and our team being very inexperienced. This series was a huge lesson for a young Leafs team. We learned we can beat the Bruins. They aren't that infallible team that tricked the Leafs into giving up a load for Kessel. We can beat them. Chara isn't superman either and will make mistakes. But they have more experience, lots more, and they showed us that your never out in the playoffs (a lesson they learned the hard way from Philly).

It sucks but you learn the lesson and move one. Reimer and the Leafs will be better because of last night. And one thing is clear (or it really should be since this thread indicates it isn't). Reimer in unquestionably our number 1 going forward.

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he either needs to improve considerably or we need to look for a star goaltender. I have no faith that this team is going to be excellent defensively anytime in the future to compensate for average goaltending. So we either need to improve other aspects of the roster that we can win with "anyone" in net or have goaltending that steals games and series.

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you guys are actling like rebound control in unfixable

reamer will get better, and I believe will be an elite goalie

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you guys are actling like rebound control in unfixable

reamer will get better, and I believe will be an elite goalie
The problem is you are confusing rebound control with nerves. He was nervous and rightfully so and expected the way the team stopped skating In the final two due to lack of stamina and poor coaching decisions.

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If he works on his rebound control then he can be a great goaltender, as of now hes just a good one.

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There is no conundrum in net. Only on the defensive end.

Reimer has posted top goaltending numbers this year and has carried over that play into his first NHL post season. He's 25-years-old people, and we've gone YEARS in search of a goalie coming even CLOSE to touching what Reimer has done of this team..but we want better? Sure I'd love to have the best goaltender in the game, but that's not happening. He averaged what 40 shots a game this series? This guy was not the issue. Sure he can tighten up here and there, but what goalie can't?

The last place I'm looking to fix on this team is in net. First place is investing more in D that can play quality tough minutes and not rely on Phaneuf to do everything on the backend.

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At this point you might as well keep running with him. It's just a question of whether he can fix his rebound control or not. It's a big enough issue that we can't win with it, but if fixable it'll leave him a really good goalie. All you can do is sit with him and go through another season or two. If he never fixes it then you have to make a decision, but in the short term a lot more problems to look at.

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05-14-2013, 09:39 AM
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Can't blame the loss on Reimer. They left him out to dry. Reimer IS our #1. Go find yourself another scape goat.

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05-14-2013, 09:42 AM
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I still believe in Reimer. He is a #1 in this league.

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In Reimer's fairness he didn't get any help in the 3rd period.

Look at the Bruins SOG totals in the 3rd period vs. the Leafs. (IIRC it was 16 to 7, in P3)

The Leafs were also abysmal defensively. The Bruins got plenty of time to set up in the offensive zone, and the Leafs barely challenged them, hence the 3-goal parade they had.

Goalies are difference makers for sure. But you can't pin this on Reimer, the Leafs defensive play in front of him went absent and array.

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