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2013 Leafs Trades, Proposals, and Free Agent Talk XVIII

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Sounds like you feel that Players are overpaid in general. That won't stop Teams from paying them though.

some will complain about Kessel no matter what he's paid.[/QUOTE]

I actually don't have a problem with players being paid what they get paid. They have a very unique skillset and if fans keep showing up and billionaires owners are fine with in the case of most teams having a bad investment then why should I be upset?

I just don't don't have Kessel included in the short list of players like Toews, Chara, Weber, Crosby, Malkin, Doughty, Stamkos and a few others as my top players who I'd pay that kind of money to build a team around.

I look at teams when they've won the cup (or been top contenders) and don't see the likes of players like Kessel being paid 7.5+ so I'm not afraid to move on instead of just handing him a blank cheque to fill out.

I have no problem paying Kessel between 6 to 7 million tops on an 8 year deal.

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I know that Stephen Weiss has been discussed ad nauseam, but I was wondering if anyone has brought up reuniting him with Horton. I realize that Boston will be pushing really hard to resign Horton, but we may be able to convince him if his buddy is included. Additionally, BOS already has almost $42M wrapped up in their forwards.

I, like most people here believe that we need two more pieces for our top 6. We would have to try to trade or buy out Grabbo, more for next year than this.

JVR Kadri Kessel
Lupul Weiss Horton
Kulemin Colborne Frattin
XXX McClement Orr/McLaren

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The Hawks Hockeybuzz blogger posted this:

"First, I heard a rumor out of Canada on Monday (very good source) that the Leafs have offered two mid-level roster players and a package of draft picks for Tampa Bay’s 3rd selection overall and Vincent LeCavalier, who would then be bought out.

Not making it up—I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about either team to do so. Good source, take it for what it is."


I like the idea of the Leafs flexing their financial muscle, but why buy out Lecavalier? He's still serviceable. Would love to get that 3rd overall pick though

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The Hawks Hockeybuzz blogger posted this:

"First, I heard a rumor out of Canada on Monday (very good source) that the Leafs have offered two mid-level roster players and a package of draft picks for Tampa Bay’s 3rd selection overall and Vincent LeCavalier, who would then be bought out.

Not making it up—I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about either team to do so. Good source, take it for what it is."


I like the idea of the Leafs flexing their financial muscle, but why buy out Lecavalier? He's still serviceable. Would love to get that 3rd overall pick though
We could use Lecavalier for 1 year and then buy him out to make room for Barkov. If not bought out, you are stuck with a 50 point player making 7.7mil.

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Buy-out Lecavalier because we don't have the cap to keep him. Third overall? We want Drouin?

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The Hawks Hockeybuzz blogger posted this:

"First, I heard a rumor out of Canada on Monday (very good source) that the Leafs have offered two mid-level roster players and a package of draft picks for Tampa Bay’s 3rd selection overall and Vincent LeCavalier, who would then be bought out.

Not making it up—I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about either team to do so. Good source, take it for what it is."


I like the idea of the Leafs flexing their financial muscle, but why buy out Lecavalier? He's still serviceable. Would love to get that 3rd overall pick though
7.7 for the next 7 is why

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The Hawks Hockeybuzz blogger posted this:

"First, I heard a rumor out of Canada on Monday (very good source) that the Leafs have offered two mid-level roster players and a package of draft picks for Tampa Bay’s 3rd selection overall and Vincent LeCavalier, who would then be bought out.

Not making it up—I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about either team to do so. Good source, take it for what it is."


I like the idea of the Leafs flexing their financial muscle, but why buy out Lecavalier? He's still serviceable. Would love to get that 3rd overall pick though
That would be AWESOME.

I'd do JVR and the 21st OA for Vinny and the 3rd.

Barkov dishing to Kessel = drool.

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now... would we settle for Barkov or try and move up the other 1 (or 2) spots to get MacKinnon...

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The Hawks Hockeybuzz blogger posted this:

"First, I heard a rumor out of Canada on Monday (very good source) that the Leafs have offered two mid-level roster players and a package of draft picks for Tampa Bay’s 3rd selection overall and Vincent LeCavalier, who would then be bought out.

Not making it up—I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about either team to do so. Good source, take it for what it is."


I like the idea of the Leafs flexing their financial muscle, but why buy out Lecavalier? He's still serviceable. Would love to get that 3rd overall pick though
Sadly, it seems to good to be true.

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The Hawks Hockeybuzz blogger posted this:

"First, I heard a rumor out of Canada on Monday (very good source) that the Leafs have offered two mid-level roster players and a package of draft picks for Tampa Bay’s 3rd selection overall and Vincent LeCavalier, who would then be bought out.

Not making it up—I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about either team to do so. Good source, take it for what it is."


I like the idea of the Leafs flexing their financial muscle, but why buy out Lecavalier? He's still serviceable. Would love to get that 3rd overall pick though


For Tampa Bay

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In that scenario, couldn't Tampa just re-sign Vinny then? We couldn't (cuz we bought him out).

Say, 3-4 years at $4-5M seems a lot more reasonable for them. They can keep their fanbase happy and face of the franchise (who's still very useful but not for his current contract).

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That...... would be interesting.

Lecavalier would never agree to waive his NTC, HOWEVER, if the leafs were to buy him out, he could sign a new deal with TB.

- Leafs would pay a smaller price to move up to #3
- TB gets a lot of cap relief, + additional assets required to make the deal
- Vinny gets more money in the end

Win-Win-Win

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The Hawks Hockeybuzz blogger posted this:

"First, I heard a rumor out of Canada on Monday (very good source) that the Leafs have offered two mid-level roster players and a package of draft picks for Tampa Bay’s 3rd selection overall and Vincent LeCavalier, who would then be bought out.

Not making it up—I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about either team to do so. Good source, take it for what it is."


I like the idea of the Leafs flexing their financial muscle, but why buy out Lecavalier? He's still serviceable. Would love to get that 3rd overall pick though


Absolutely love it. Vinny would be absolutely amazing betweel JVR and Kessel.

My guess on the roster players are Grabo/Kulemin/Frattin and Gunnarson/Franson. Likely a center going the other way to replace Vinny. Probably our 1st and 2nd this year too, maybe a 3rd as well.

Grabo
Gunnarson
21st overall
2nd round
3rd round

That's my guess. Grabo has $21 million over 4 years left, Vinny has $45 million over 7 years left. We swap a caphit of $2.2M this year, acquire a 1st line center for a year, and swap Gunnarson /Franson (they need D badly), our 1st and our 2nd (maybe our 3rd) for the 3rd overall.


Edit: you know, the more I think about it, it turns out to be

Gunnarson/Franson
21st overall
2nd round
3rd round
+$24M (Vinny buyout)

for the 3rd overall.

Is that good?

Edit: my thoughts are... if Barkov is as good as the scouts think he is going to be.... we'd be foolish not to pay that price for him. We can easily replace Gunnarson with a FA signing like Scuderi, or internally in the next 2-3 years. Barkovs don't come along very often based on scouts' feedback.


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The Hawks Hockeybuzz blogger posted this:

"First, I heard a rumor out of Canada on Monday (very good source) that the Leafs have offered two mid-level roster players and a package of draft picks for Tampa Bay’s 3rd selection overall and Vincent LeCavalier, who would then be bought out.

Not making it up—I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about either team to do so. Good source, take it for what it is."


I like the idea of the Leafs flexing their financial muscle, but why buy out Lecavalier? He's still serviceable. Would love to get that 3rd overall pick though
I can't stop the foam coming out of my mouth. Please let this happen! Hopefully they can keep Lecavalier, let Bozak walk, move Kadri to second line and Colborne can stay up.

Lecavalier
Kadri
Colborne
McClement

Looks respectable.

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I'd jump on that. But we would have to have vinny on our roster this season and buy him out next. Depending on the roster players I'd do it

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Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 55s

Colton Orr is on the verge of getting a new two-year deal with TOR, worth a little less than $1M per year.

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Colton Orr is on the verge of getting a new two-year deal with TOR, worth a little less than $1M per year.
GREAT signing.

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Colton Orr is on the verge of getting a new two-year deal with TOR, worth a little less than $1M per year.
Yay, we keep our Sheriff

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Absolutely love it. Vinny would be absolutely amazing betweel JVR and Kessel.
I don't think Vinny could keep up with JvR and Kessel.

Grabs, Gunnarrsson, 1st for Vinny and #3 overall... even adding lesser parts, done and done.

Take Barkov or MacKinnon..

Trade Grabs, let Bozak walk... need to find/trade for a D or two, plus reup some of our other guys..

I'm not sure this makes sense from a TB perspective though.

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I don't think Vinny could keep up with JvR and Kessel.

Grabs, Gunnarrsson, 1st for Vinny and #3 overall... even adding lesser parts, done and done.

Take Barkov or MacKinnon..

Trade Grabs, let Bozak walk... need to find/trade for a D or two, plus reup some of our other guys..

I'm not sure this makes sense from a TB perspective though.
From a hockey perspective absolutely not ... From a financial perspective, yes ... Ownership could be pressuring to get rid of Vinny's contract

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Wow... talk about a rumour of all rumours.


Vinny
3rd overall (Barkov)

for

Grabo
Gunnarson
1st
2nd
3rd


Then


Komisarek
(add Colborne/Blacker/Frattin/other, if needed)

for

RDP
15th overall (Horvat/Sammy Morin)
Reinhart/Strome



Could you imagine:

JVR - Lecavelier - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
UFA - Strome - Frattin/prospect
D'amigo - McClement - Orr/McLaren



Lawl. Oh well.

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I don't think Vinny could keep up with JvR and Kessel.

Grabs, Gunnarrsson, 1st for Vinny and #3 overall... even adding lesser parts, done and done.

Take Barkov or MacKinnon..

Trade Grabs, let Bozak walk... need to find/trade for a D or two, plus reup some of our other guys..

I'm not sure this makes sense from a TB perspective though.
He's not Jason Allison... he was there best forward at times this season - yes, THIS season.

Would be a solid acquisition for us... but what's more telling than perhaps this deal specifically, is that leafs brass has given Nonis the go-ahead to leverage their financial power to help the team.

That's definitely a good thing.

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not that I buy it but get 3rd and then flip + Colborne or something to Fla for Bjugstad and Gudbranson

They get Mack and Drouin
Leafs get a top pairing right handed dman and top 6 C with size

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Absolutely love it. Vinny would be absolutely amazing betweel JVR and Kessel.

My guess on the roster players are Grabo/Kulemin/Frattin and Gunnarson/Franson. Likely a center going the other way to replace Vinny. Probably our 1st and 2nd this year too, maybe a 3rd as well.

Grabo
Gunnarson
21st overall
2nd round
3rd round

That's my guess. Grabo has $21 million over 4 years left, Vinny has $45 million over 7 years left. We swap a caphit of $2.2M this year, acquire a 1st line center for a year, and swap Gunnarson /Franson (they need D badly), our 1st and our 2nd (maybe our 3rd) for the 3rd overall.


Edit: you know, the more I think about it, it turns out to be

Gunnarson/Franson
21st overall
2nd round
3rd round
+$24M (Vinny buyout)

for the 3rd overall.

Is that good?

Edit: my thoughts are... if Barkov is as good as the scouts think he is going to be.... we'd be foolish not to pay that price for him. We can easily replace Gunnarson with a FA signing like Scuderi, or internally in the next 2-3 years. Barkovs don't come along very often based on scouts' feedback.
I know that Barkov better suits our needs, but at this point Drouin is still considered by most to be the BPA at third. Could Nonis stomach that?

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