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05-17-2013, 01:09 PM
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Either get a veteran backup or a young unproven goaltender with high potential to play with Reimer. Going out and trading the farm or key players for a proven #1 would be silly.

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05-17-2013, 02:11 PM
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I agree. Get Reimer to work on rebound control and puck handling....but more importantly, shore up the D so they can clear the zone and keep the shots against down and we are fine.
The Bruins v Leafs series was very even. The difference was in 4/7 games Rask was better than Reimer, at the most important times. I really thought the Leafs were going to win that series, even when down 1 game to 3.

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I'll tell ya...I haven't seen this kind of top to bottom cohesion, with such a young club in Toronto...Ever...

Bright days ahead.
agreed!!

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I said it earlier, but the conversation about Reimer is a little bit concerning, to be honest. Not that I don't have faith in Reimer after this season, because he showed some flashes of brilliance, mettle under pressure and whatnot in that brief series, but with top end goalies, the conversation usually doesn't involve some systematic flaw in their game like "he can't catch a puck". But whatever, it's a work in progress and you can win a cup with a Patrick Roy or an Antti Niemi.

On the other hand, how ****** did it feel watching Tuukka Rask out there? The guy is like a technically perfect goalie as you'll see and he has ice in his veins.
yup. although Reimer will only improve and get better with experience, and could even Mirror a Rask one day, Rask was the difference for them. Technically perfect, yup. Ice Water, yup.

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yup. although Reimer will only improve and get better with experience, and could even Mirror a Rask one day, Rask was the difference for them. Technically perfect, yup. Ice Water, yup.
Did Andrew raycroft get better? How bout Jim Carey? Dan cloutier? Just because your young doesn't mean automatically you'll get better. I hate that assumption. There's a lot of holes in his game and I think he'll be hard pressed to overcome them all in a consistant basis to be able to play at the level a championship team needs their goalie to play.

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Did Andrew raycroft get better? How bout Jim Carey? Dan cloutier? Just because your young doesn't mean automatically you'll get better. I hate that assumption. There's a lot of holes in his game and I think he'll be hard pressed to overcome them all in a consistant basis to be able to play at the level a championship team needs their goalie to play.
Seemed to overcome a few obstacles though: Top glove, athletecism...And he regained that battle-form he had when he first broke in.

Have to remember, he brought the club back for the chance to play a series for one shot. I take those odds and that third period 99 times out of 100 with James Reimer in net.

Besides...Now we get to watch him take that next step...

Revenge.


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First ever playoff series experience. He'll get better. 100%

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Did Andrew raycroft get better? How bout Jim Carey? Dan cloutier? Just because your young doesn't mean automatically you'll get better. I hate that assumption. There's a lot of holes in his game and I think he'll be hard pressed to overcome them all in a consistant basis to be able to play at the level a championship team needs their goalie to play.
Did Philly fix their goalie situation going out and getting a recent vezina nominated Bryzgalov? Going with Reimer represents a degree of gamble for the organization no doubt but what option doesn't? Luo? Smith? etc all bring their own questions to the table, otherwise they wouldn't be on the table.

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I'm actually at a loss right now thinking about what to think of him.
I'll be the first to say he had a great year overall this year and without him we would have not been in OT of a Game Seven this year.
I was a big skeptic of him ever since he first got the call up and played out of his mind the last half of the year his first season in the league...then thinking I was correct with my assumption seeing how bad he played last year.

Looking back at this playoffs..You can recall how he stands on his head in games 5 and 6..but can also remember The Game 4 OT goal and then the last night collapse.

My point is..Do any of you feel the same way I do? That he'll always be the guy who has the ability to play great..but I never quite trust..(Rebound Control..eek)

Do you think he's a guy we could actually win a cup with?
Would we be in the second round right now with an Elite Goalie?
He was not bad last year, the team was terrible. This year he was able to show his consistancy. None of the losses were his fault.. he stole many games this year as well

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The Bruins v Leafs series was very even. The difference was in 4/7 games Rask was better than Reimer, at the most important times. I really thought the Leafs were going to win that series, even when down 1 game to 3.
I disagree. The bruins are a much better team. Reimer is the only reason we got to game 7

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Get him better equipment.

It is kind of shocking that the puck comes out of his catcher as much as it does.

Maybe he should spend some time playing catch this summer.

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Get him better equipment.

It is kind of shocking that the puck comes out of his catcher as much as it does.

Maybe he should spend some time playing catch this summer.
This exactly, softer equipment for absorbing the puck. Stiffer equipment for sending pucks to the corners (obviously not working).

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The Bruins v Leafs series was very even. The difference was in 4/7 games Rask was better than Reimer, at the most important times. I really thought the Leafs were going to win that series, even when down 1 game to 3.
I politely disagree. If this series was even, it was because the Bruins didn't play well. When the Bruins were down by a goal (or 3) and decided to push, they totally owned us and in the process revealed our flaws. They forechecked at will, our D couldn't clear. They won close to 70% of the faceoffs including 7 straight in the third, in our end in game 7. I think you are being a little unfair in saying Rask out played Reimer, in game 7 Rask was LOSING the game 4-1, that doesn't exactly scream stellar goaltending. Rask did nor steal any games in the series...Reimer stole 2 (5 and 6).

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Reimer was the main reason the leafs even made the playoffs, great year, arguably top 5 in the league this year, whether he can consistently perform at this level remains to be seen.

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I politely disagree. If this series was even, it was because the Bruins didn't play well. When the Bruins were down by a goal (or 3) and decided to push, they totally owned us and in the process revealed our flaws. They forechecked at will, our D couldn't clear. They won close to 70% of the faceoffs including 7 straight in the third, in our end in game 7. I think you are being a little unfair in saying Rask out played Reimer, in game 7 Rask was LOSING the game 4-1, that doesn't exactly scream stellar goaltending. Rask did nor steal any games in the series...Reimer stole 2 (5 and 6).
I said in another post/thread, I think the difference in the series was face-offs.

Leafs always chasing after face-offs, and the Bruins always owning the puck after face-offs for 7 straight games.

One is easier than the other and impact accumulates.

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I politely disagree. If this series was even, it was because the Bruins didn't play well. When the Bruins were down by a goal (or 3) and decided to push, they totally owned us and in the process revealed our flaws. They forechecked at will, our D couldn't clear. They won close to 70% of the faceoffs including 7 straight in the third, in our end in game 7. I think you are being a little unfair in saying Rask out played Reimer, in game 7 Rask was LOSING the game 4-1, that doesn't exactly scream stellar goaltending. Rask did nor steal any games in the series...Reimer stole 2 (5 and 6).
It's not when they decided to push, it was when the leafs coaching staff decided to have the team play to protect the lead and not attack. It lost us both game 4 and game 7. When the leafs were attacking to score, the bruins were too, but the leafs speed and forechecking picked the bruins slow team apart. We were much faster then them, and more physical.

We lost because we sat back and waited for them, and because we couldn't win a faceoff. Oh and it seemed like the leafs didn't have a clue of a system arranged for defending a 6-5.

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Reimer has been in the league 3 years, and in 2 of those years he had a pretty awful team in front of him. Here's Reimer's stats, as well as our record over the same period without Reimer:

With Reimer: 53-32-14 (a pace of 99.4 pts/82 games)
Without Reimer: 45-56-12 (a pace of 74.0 pts/82 games)

99 points is a solid playoff team, while 74 points is one of the worst teams in the league. It's amazing that with Reimer in net we've actually been putting up points like a solid playoff team over the past 3 years, when you consider how weak the team was for 2 of those years. He's been very good for us, and I think it's a no-brainer to keep rolling with him. If he ever truly falters, we can address it at that point, but he played very well all year, and is looking like a solid starter.

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Seemed to overcome a few obstacles though: Top glove, athletecism...And he regained that battle-form he had when he first broke in.

Have to remember, he brought the club back for the chance to play a series for one shot. I take those odds and that third period 99 times out of 100 with James Reimer in net.

Besides...Now we get to watch him take that next step...

Revenge.

I think we can all agree Reimer has never in his career single handedly stolen a game. It was a team effort that got us back in this series. Timely scoring, forechecking and the defense clearing bad rebounds and blocking shots. The system limited Boston to perimeter shots where Reimer could see the puck his issue was rebounds he'd lose track of.

The glove hand is still an issue and that battle form isn't an improvement if he already had it. Frankly doe no need to battle if you can track the puck.

Even elite goalies peak early its not really a knock on Reimer very few make big jumps afterwards.

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I think we can all agree Reimer has never in his career single handedly stolen a game. It was a team effort that got us back in this series. Timely scoring, forechecking and the defense clearing bad rebounds and blocking shots. The system limited Boston to perimeter shots where Reimer could see the puck his issue was rebounds he'd lose track of.

The glove hand is still an issue and that battle form isn't an improvement if he already had it. Frankly doe no need to battle if you can track the puck.

Even elite goalies peak early its not really a knock on Reimer very few make big jumps afterwards.
IIRC Reimer was the 2nd. youngest goaltender in the top 10 save percentage this year.

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I think we can all agree Reimer has never in his career single handedly stolen a game. It was a team effort that got us back in this series. Timely scoring, forechecking and the defense clearing bad rebounds and blocking shots. The system limited Boston to perimeter shots where Reimer could see the puck his issue was rebounds he'd lose track of.

The glove hand is still an issue and that battle form isn't an improvement if he already had it. Frankly doe no need to battle if you can track the puck.

Even elite goalies peak early its not really a knock on Reimer very few make big jumps afterwards.
Regardless of his flaws if he can save 92% of all shots that no other goalie has proven capable in a leafs jersey does it really matter?

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I think we can all agree Reimer has never in his career single handedly stolen a game. It was a team effort that got us back in this series. Timely scoring, forechecking and the defense clearing bad rebounds and blocking shots. The system limited Boston to perimeter shots where Reimer could see the puck his issue was rebounds he'd lose track of.

The glove hand is still an issue and that battle form isn't an improvement if he already had it. Frankly doe no need to battle if you can track the puck.

Even elite goalies peak early its not really a knock on Reimer very few make big jumps afterwards.
I can wholeheartedly disagree with that.

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I can wholeheartedly disagree with that.
Agreed. This year alone, in recent memory, he stole games 5 & 6 and our last game vs. New Jersey was all Reimer.

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Reimer is far from the issue. I'm confident in him improving for next season..not like rebound control can't be learnt. Improving the D is muuuch more of a priority.

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I think we can all agree Reimer has never in his career single handedly stolen a game.
Nope. He stole games 5 & 6 IMO, and there was another game late in the season where he got a 40-something save shutout I'd call a steal.

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I think we can all agree Reimer has never in his career single handedly stolen a game. It was a team effort that got us back in this series. Timely scoring, forechecking and the defense clearing bad rebounds and blocking shots. The system limited Boston to perimeter shots where Reimer could see the puck his issue was rebounds he'd lose track of.

The glove hand is still an issue and that battle form isn't an improvement if he already had it. Frankly doe no need to battle if you can track the puck.

Even elite goalies peak early its not really a knock on Reimer very few make big jumps afterwards.
What? He has stolen tons of games for us in his career, only blind haters would say he hasn't

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