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05-18-2013, 06:01 PM
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Edler for Tampa Bay's 3rd overall.

Kesler+Burrows for Florida's 2nd overall , plus...I don't know, Fleischmann? Versteeg? Kopecky+2nd (if they have another one other then theirs)?

Buy out Booth and Ballard, or get what you can for them.

I don't know where Lu goes. Bare with me.

Resign Roy and Tanev.

Boom, instant shake up.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Drouin-MacKinnon-Kassian
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Hamhuis-Bieksa
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05-18-2013, 06:10 PM
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Oh well. Better than giving up that much for him.

70 point winger vs 50 point defenseman. The difference between them(if any) is not 2 1sts.
Lol "50 pt defenseman". How do you give that label to a guy that has never even cracked 50 PTs once (49 is close and he was on pace once, but has never actually done it). Way to try to inflate him though ...

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05-18-2013, 06:15 PM
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I agree with everything until the last sentence. We had the best record in the NHL in the 2nd half of 2011-12, but because we weren't quite as dominant and didn't score quite as many goals as the 120 games immediately preceding that everyone acts like we were crap. We weren't. We were just the best team in the league by a smaller amount that we had previously been the best team in the league.
Results wise sure. But it was evident to many we weren't playing the same dominating hockey and we were depending on the goalies.

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05-18-2013, 06:56 PM
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Lol "50 pt defenseman". How do you give that label to a guy that has never even cracked 50 PTs once (49 is close and he was on pace once, but has never actually done it). Way to try to inflate him though ...
Yeah, and Eriksson is a 70 point winger on pace for less than 50 points this year.

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Yeah, and Eriksson is a 70 point winger on pace for less than 50 points this year.
Yeah, well he actually hit 70+ points... 3 times

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05-18-2013, 07:19 PM
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Yeah, well he actually hit 70+ points... 3 times
Edler's been on pace for 53, 49, and 40 points these past 3 years.

Eriksson's been on pace for 75, 71, and 50 points.

Any difference in value between them is minimal, maybe a 2nd round pick. Not to mention defensemen are generally more valuable than wingers.

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05-18-2013, 07:46 PM
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Edler's been on pace for 53, 49, and 40 points these past 3 years.

Eriksson's been on pace for 75, 71, and 50 points.

Any difference in value between them is minimal, maybe a 2nd round pick. Not to mention defensemen are generally more valuable than wingers.
I'd be a bit happier if Edler's point trajectory was going the other way.

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@ThomasDrance @vancitydan @Canucks_BlueJay Team is defn looking at this: Keep Booth, trade ballard, use compliance buyouts to get assets
With the idea being that they retain salary in the Ballard trade.

So who would they take on in a buyout candidate + asset package? Would they try to target a top pick, and who would part with a top pick or prospect or asset that can play now to rid themselves of a buyout candidate?

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wouldn't be enough IMO

I guess it depends on how Dallas values Edler. hopefully more than I do.
Then you explore alternative avenues, not strip an already barren prospect pool and overpay to that extent. I would rather not do the trade at all than rip ourselves off.

And if Booth is to be retained, I have no idea what the organization is planning going forward. His salary practically assures little change will come, especially if the further intent is to hold some of Ballard's salary. We essentially make Booth a five million dollar player when he can barely contribute at his current rate. Never mind questionable belief teams would pay us to buyout their problems.

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05-19-2013, 12:41 AM
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So who would they take on in a buyout candidate + asset package? Would they try to target a top pick, and who would part with a top pick or prospect or asset that can play now to rid themselves of a buyout candidate?
I'd guess that the only teams that would consider it at this point are those teams that are going to be pushing their budget limit re-signing their RFAs. For teams that don't spend to the cap, getting rid of a bad contract is basically the same as increasing the cap. With a weak UFA market this offseason, you're probably not going to get a ton of value going from a bad contract you currently have to a player you sign via UFA. It probably makes more sense for those teams to hold on to players for another year in hopes they redeem some of their value, and, if not, they can trade that player next offseason to a team willing to buy him out in exchange for some asset.

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05-19-2013, 01:14 AM
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How is this team anything like the calgary flames?

loui eriksson would be the best winger we've had since.. I can't even remember.

It's pretty dam obvious the Sedins need/deserve a real top line winger to play with before their careers are over. that or get rid of them and start over.. but we know that will never happen..

not getting them a legit top line winger would be like the Calgary flames... like Iginla never getting a playmaking center to play with his eniter career...
Best winger since Daniel Sedin ?

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05-19-2013, 02:30 AM
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Would be a sound investment...we'd need a way to age the clones though.

That was supposed to be Jensen actually... interchangeable with Kassian, but I figured the rookies would need Kassian more.

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05-19-2013, 04:07 AM
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What makes anyone think that Mackinnon and Drouin are NHL and could make an immediate impact on the 2nd line?

acquiring a guy like Eriksson is exactly the problem with this franchise and their identity.

The Canucks (and some of their fans) look to stay soft and skilled while the direction of the league is grit and some skill.

The latter is clearly the recipe for success in the playoffs.

Hell, look at how dirty Zetterberg even is.

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05-19-2013, 04:11 AM
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If Eriksson could be had for something along the lines of Booth+, then it's something you do IMO.

But I dont feel he's worth Edler and some other team will overpay.

Cant wait to laugh when the Leafs sign Roy and Clarkson for 6mil each this summer

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05-19-2013, 04:55 AM
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here's what i expect has the highest chance of happening

A: ballard is exchanged for something - either its a buyout, or its a pick, or whatever, but its ultimately neutral
B: booth is retained - either because hes injured in the buyout period or because the team can't sign an impact ufa
C: raymond walks, not made a contract offer by the team
D: alberts walks, offered too little, signs aaron style contract
E: schroeder and tanev are extended to reasonable contracts
F: luongo is flipped for non-roster assets
G: gillis makes an effort to sign a 7th to replace alberts, and a backup goalie
H: lappy ultimately re-signs

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Kassian - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Lappy - 12th
13th/prospect

Garrison - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Bieksa - Corrado
7th*

Schneider
Backup*

im going to bet that any rookie other than corrado starts in the AHL


Agree with pretty much all points. Though, Corrado may start in the AHL if they get a more veteran bottom-pair RHD. This allows Corrado to get major minutes for his development, and allows the Canucks more depth on the right side overall.

The two bolded points are especially interesting. I have long maintained that Booth may in fact be brought back, much to the chagrin of many posters here. After Roy was acquired, I still felt it came down to keeping Roy/Booth. Now, from reports, it seems VAN will keep the bigger winger, instead of the more skilled C.

If Gillis wants to build a skill-based team, it's the wrong choice. However, if he wants his team to be more capable in the hard areas, it's the right one. Bottom line, Booth's got a very good chance of remaining here.

Lapierre, I'm not so sure. It will come down to what money is left, and what remains in FA.

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05-19-2013, 05:07 AM
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We need Eriksson more than we'd need Edler.

Edler+Booth

For

Eriksson+Rome+Van 2nd

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05-19-2013, 05:16 AM
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Why would Dallas trade Eriksson? They have a pretty solid D with Robidas, Goligoski, Dillon, Larsen, Daley, Rome. Pretty old and weak on the wings though.

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here's what i expect has the highest chance of happening

A: ballard is exchanged for something - either its a buyout, or its a pick, or whatever, but its ultimately neutral
B: booth is retained - either because hes injured in the buyout period or because the team can't sign an impact ufa
C: raymond walks, not made a contract offer by the team
D: alberts walks, offered too little, signs aaron style contract
E: schroeder and tanev are extended to reasonable contracts
F: luongo is flipped for non-roster assets
G: gillis makes an effort to sign a 7th to replace alberts, and a backup goalie
H: lappy ultimately re-signs

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Kassian - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Lappy - 12th
13th/prospect

Garrison - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Bieksa - Corrado
7th*

Schneider
Backup*

im going to bet that any rookie other than corrado starts in the AHL
Yeah pretty much.

That would leave us with about 3M in cap space, which could be used to pick up a UFA winger. I'd give guys like Stalberg, Bickell, MacArthur and Torres a look in the 2-2.5 range.

Personally I think the greatest change next year will be coaching. And I think that'll have a much greater effect than doing something adventurous like trading an Edler.

As an aside, I'd like to see Burrows separated from the Sedins. I think Kassian can be effective up there with a bit more size. Use Burrows and Hansen as Schroeder's wingers. Schroeder gets two relatively skilled guys he can hopefully click with, and Burrows carries the defensive load. Anyway.

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I'd guess that the only teams that would consider it at this point are those teams that are going to be pushing their budget limit re-signing their RFAs. For teams that don't spend to the cap, getting rid of a bad contract is basically the same as increasing the cap. With a weak UFA market this offseason, you're probably not going to get a ton of value going from a bad contract you currently have to a player you sign via UFA. It probably makes more sense for those teams to hold on to players for another year in hopes they redeem some of their value, and, if not, they can trade that player next offseason to a team willing to buy him out in exchange for some asset.
Unless it's a team like the NYI and a contract like DiPietro.

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I always felt the team was going to keep booth. For his size especially.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if the Canucks overpay for clarkson.

They went hard after him and clowe.clearly the team wants to go that way.

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05-19-2013, 11:25 AM
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here's what i expect has the highest chance of happening
Probably right. To my eyes that looks like another first-round team.

 
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I always felt the team was going to keep booth. For his size especially.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if the Canucks overpay for clarkson.

They went hard after him and clowe.clearly the team wants to go that way.
Yikes, that's going to be a lot of money. He'll be public enemy #1 here within the first 10 games.

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Best winger since Daniel Sedin ?
Just goes to show underrated the Sedins' are even by Canucks fans.

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