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05-21-2013, 11:41 AM
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Here is Gillis being a reactionary GM again. Why doesn't he set the trend instead of lag it? His Detroit model was a bad Hamhuis hip check away from winning the cup ffs
In some respects I agree, he's chasing things a bit. However, even Detroit is bringing Tootoo, giving a more prominent role to Abdelkader, and generally trying to be more robust than they usually are. Fans have cited this as a cause for the disconnect between Holland and Babcock.

Bottom line, the team just needs better players. Aside from Lappy, Hendricks seems to be clearly better than any other 4th line option on the team. Style becomes a secondary point as a result.

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We need 4th liners who score 30 goals a season.
We need at least one player who can score 30 goals a season.

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We need to get better on the faceoff circle.

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I want to see 12 NHL regular forwards iced in a given game. Doesn't matter if they aren't ideal for their position, just 12 players you know belong in this league on one of the better clubs.

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We need at least one player who can score 30 goals a season.
Very true, but how about 10 guys that score 15 + ?

If Kassian was fit enough to play all 82 games with the Sedins, I wonder how many he would score? Maybe, he's the 30 goal scorer you speak of?

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We need at least one player who can score 30 goals a season.
other than Daniel, yes.
ive been harping about that for a while ...the one glaring difference btw us and the other western contenders (possibly all contenders) is that we have only one 30-goal guy. All others have multiple. Burrows and Kesler dont count, IMO ...both have reached that mark, but only once. Higgy, Hansen, Raymond, etc all nice tweeners, but ideally bottom 6. Excellent goaltending plus O from the D covered us for a while ... not replacing Erhoff reduced the latter, leads to Nashville-level scoring with too wide-open style = disaster (and f'ing over the best goalie our sad franchise has ever seen ...possibly 2.)

Critical needs = a bonafide top 6 scoring winger, a pre-injury manny replacement and an erhoff replacement, in that order.

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other than Daniel, yes.
ive been harping about that for a while ...the one glaring difference btw us and the other western contenders (possibly all contenders) is that we have only one 30-goal guy. All others have multiple. Burrows and Kesler dont count, IMO ...both have reached that mark, but only once. Higgy, Hansen, Raymond, etc all nice tweeners, but ideally bottom 6. Excellent goaltending plus O from the D covered us for a while ... not replacing Erhoff reduced the latter, leads to Nashville-level scoring with too wide-open style = disaster (and f'ing over the best goalie our sad franchise has ever seen ...possibly 2.)

Critical needs = a bonafide top 6 scoring winger, a pre-injury manny replacement and an erhoff replacement, in that order.
The problem Daniel isn't a 30-goal guy anymore either, unless he manages to rebound strongly next year. His finishing ability has been horrendous all year.

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The problem Daniel isn't a 30-goal guy anymore either, unless he manages to rebound strongly next year. His finishing ability has been horrendous all year.
yes, he had a bad year (thanks to ol 'dirty-elbows Duncan, who was at it again last night, btw...), but was still not far from PPG, and the point is he's a 4-time 30+ guy (with 2 other 29 campaigns), so he's still a legit goalscorer. He is not the problem. The problem is we dont have 2 or 3 of him.

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05-21-2013, 01:01 PM
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Well, Hendricks as a 4C isn't bad. Good on face offs, hits a lot, and can kill penalties. Anything more than $1M or a 4th line role and I'll be super pissed.

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05-21-2013, 01:03 PM
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yes, he had a bad year (thanks to ol 'dirty-elbows Duncan, who was at it again last night, btw...), but was still not far from PPG, and the point is he's a 4-time 30+ guy (with 2 other 29 campaigns), so he's still a legit goalscorer. He is not the problem. The problem is we dont have 2 or 3 of him.
Time to find that long lost Sedin triplet.

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05-21-2013, 01:03 PM
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Well, Hendricks as a 4C isn't bad. Good on face offs, hits a lot, and can kill penalties. Anything more than $1M or a 4th line role and I'll be super pissed.
He won't be coming here for less than 1.5 imo. He will garner a lot of interest from around the league. You'll be super pissed over 500k? Will do for the 4th line what Malhotra did for the 3rd in 2010.

Would be a perfect tandem with Lappy and give us a decent 4th line for the first time in years.

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Well, Hendricks as a 4C isn't bad. Good on face offs, hits a lot, and can kill penalties. Anything more than $1M or a 4th line role and I'll be super pissed.
Don't forget he's a shootout wizard too. Can't hurt.

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Cizikas has 3rd line upside and is extremely tenacious in his 4th line role with the Islanders now. I do not see him making the Canucks line-up right away, but rather a year away.

Martin is a good 13th forward to have. He is a banger that doesn't completely suck. Certainly better than Sestito.

The 2nd is to balance value.

I clearly don't value Bieksa has high as you do
Sorry, I had to laugh at this post. Martin is a good 13th forward?

Most of you here have no clue of Matt Martin and Casey Cizikas.

That is all.

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05-21-2013, 01:07 PM
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Unsure why this Alain Vigneault situation is dragging on. If it goes on past this week (without any clarification on the coaching position for this organization) it's ridiculous.

This decision dictates what Gillis will do as a GM from a player personnel standpoint.

With his comments regarding younger players being given opportunities, I can see guys like Jensen, Gaunce, Lain, and Corrado being given full time roles or roles on this team with extended looks.

There is absolutely 0 second wave in this organization. '

The Sharks have a second wave in Couture, Braun, Irwin, Pavelski.

The Blackhawks are still very young.

The Red Wings second wave is on display right now, with Nyquist, Andersson, and Brunner (despite him being older than a usual rookie)

This team needs to get bigger, younger, and more skilled. Too many tweeners playing in the top 6 and offensive production from the bottom 6 in the playoffs is like trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

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He won't be coming here for less than 1.5 imo. He will garner a lot of interest from around the league. You'll be super pissed over 500k? Will do for the 4th line what Malhotra did for the 3rd in 2010.

Would be a perfect tandem with Lappy and give us a decent 4th line for the first time in years.
Manny was one of the top defensive forwards in the league in 2011 but also put up 30ish points. Hendricks hasn't hit double digits since 2011. He also isnt an elite checker like Manny was. I don't see how the two are comparable.

Yes I would be pissed over $500k+ because this team needs offensive help and Hendricks doesn't address that at all.

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Manny was one of the top defensive forwards in the league in 2011 but also put up 30ish points. Hendricks hasn't hit double digits since 2011. He also isnt an elite checker like Manny was. I don't see how the two are comparable.

Yes I would be pissed over $500k+ because this team needs offensive help and Hendricks doesn't address that at all.
Yeah, comparing Hendricks to Manny is a big insult to Malhotra.

Before the eye injury Malhotra might have been the best third liner (unless at the time you considered Jordan Staal a third liner) in the game.

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I want to see 12 NHL regular forwards iced in a given game. Doesn't matter if they aren't ideal for their position, just 12 players you know belong in this league on one of the better clubs.
That would be nice. I'm tired of having various scrubs rotate in and out of the line up. Surely there were better options for a spare forward to hide in the AHL instead of Ebbett.

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05-21-2013, 01:11 PM
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Sorry, I had to laugh at this post. Martin is a good 13th forward?

Most of you here have no clue of Matt Martin and Casey Cizikas.

That is all.
Thank you for bringing reason and logic into that proposal.

NYI takes Bieksa and runs far, far away with that deal.

Ballard, Luongo and Bieksa for Cizikas, Martin and DiPietro -- might as well make it a blockbuster.

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Manny was one of the top defensive forwards in the league in 2011 but also put up 30ish points. Hendricks hasn't hit double digits since 2011. He also isnt an elite checker like Manny was. I don't see how the two are comparable.

Yes I would be pissed over $500k+ because this team needs offensive help and Hendricks doesn't address that at all.
Let me repeat myself - Hendricks could do to the 4th line what Malhotra did to the 3rd line.

I'll repeat myself again, and bold it for you: Hendricks could do to the 4th line what Malhotra did to the 3rd line. As per usual, I simply cannot make it more clear than that.

The team needs far more than offensive help, and Hendricks addresses some of those issues. Faceoffs - check. PK'ing - check. Effort and energy - check. The other thing he brings to the table is that he is an actual, legitimate 4th line player. As we routinely get beat by teams that can ice a 4th line capable of 8-10 minutes per game perhaps it might be time to improve upon such luminaries as Sestito and Pinzotto.

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Let me repeat myself - Hendricks could do to the 4th line what Malhotra did to the 3rd line.

I'll repeat myself again, and bold it for you: Hendricks could do to the 4th line what Malhotra did to the 3rd line. As per usual, I simply cannot make it more clear than that.

The team needs far more than offensive help, and Hendricks addresses some of those issues. Faceoffs - check. PK'ing - check. Effort and energy - check. The other thing he brings to the table is that he is an actual, legitimate 4th line player. As we routinely get beat by teams that can ice a 4th line capable of 8-10 minutes per game perhaps it might be time to improve upon such luminaries as Sestito and Pinzotto.
From reading the Washington board, Hendricks is really streaky in his effort levels, more so than most players. We don't need more streaky players for the love of god.

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From reading the Washington board, Hendricks is really streaky in his effort levels, more so than most players. We don't need more streaky players for the love of god.
Whatever, if you guys can't see the value in improving our 4th line and want to continue our current model of crappy players making less than 1 million (which is a part of the issue) then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Fortunately it looks like Gillis is taking his head out of his ass for once and agrees with me.

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Hendricks is going to want term as well.

These aren't guys you give over a million to, with 4 years term.

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Whatever, if you guys can't see the value in improving our 4th line and want to continue our current model of crappy players making less than 1 million (which is a part of the issue) then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Fortunately it looks like Gillis is taking his head out of his ass for once and agrees with me.
Maybe we can acquire a 7 goal scorer for the 4th line so he can do for the 4th line what the Sedins do for the 1st line? I repeat: maybe someone like Zack Kassian can be our Sedin of the 4th line? Am I doing this right?

Comparing Hendricks to Malhotra is absurd. Hendricks is clearly inferior to Malhotra so I don't get what you are talking about when you compare the two. Hendricks is a very good FOURTH line center. He would certainly help our fourth line, but I don't see how he's that huge of an upgrade over Lapierre to be honest.

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Hendricks is going to want term as well.

These aren't guys you give over a million to, with 4 years term.
Remember when Gillis handed out a THREE year deal to Darcy Hordichuk? At least that was for $600k...but I wouldn't put it past Gillis to do the same for Hendricks.

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Hendricks is going to want term as well.

These aren't guys you give over a million to, with 4 years term.
We gave Lappy 2 at 1, I'd be ok with 3 at 1.5, and I'm sure the team would be as well.

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Maybe we can acquire a 7 goal scorer for the 4th line so he can do for the 4th line what the Sedins do for the 1st line? I repeat: maybe someone like Zack Kassian can be our Sedin of the 4th line? Am I doing this right?

Comparing Hendricks to Malhotra is absurd. Hendricks is clearly inferior to Malhotra so I don't get what you are talking about when you compare the two. Hendricks is a very good FOURTH line center. He would certainly help our fourth line, but I don't see how he's that huge of an upgrade over Lapierre to be honest.
You gave it a good try, but comparing top 6 players to bottom 6 players is a bit silly. The 4th especially is not really counted on for offensive contribution, and neither was Malhotra when he signed with Vancouver.

If you still don't get it/can't understand, well I suppose pity would be in order at this point.

He's not a HUGE upgrade, he would play wing and take left side draws, with Lappy taking right side draws. He would work in tandem with Lappy and we'd actually have a real 4th line. That would be good for this team.

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