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05-25-2013, 10:05 PM
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If you watch the way he plays the game, Michael Ryder is more of a PP specialist than a 1st line player. He doesn't have a well rounded game. You know what you are going to get with Ryder... an opportunistic scorer who has unbelievably hot streaks and unbelievably cold streaks. I could be wrong but I think a lot of coaches would bump a guy like that down to the third line when he goes cold.

A good coach has to know what he has got with Ryder and I doubt many coaches consider him as a #1 right winger. It doesn't mean he can't be effective but he is never going to be consistently effective. We saw it earlier in his career in Montreal, we saw it in Boston and before his hot streak in Dallas that preceded his trade, he was unbelievably cold.

Finally, I would like to say that the offensive numbers among our top three centers were very close. What winger on the team wouldn't want to play with Lars Eller. He put up more assists than Plekanec or Desharnais despite having only 1/4 of the PP time.

Ryder is a decent player but it is crazy to project the numbers from one of his hot streaks or one of his cold streaks to an entire season or even half a season. If you really look at what he brings to the rink rather than his stats, he is a second or third line player.
No offense to you but you danced around my question.

To your point, I am ready for Ryder to leave Montreal. He will be worthless because Therrien does not believe in him and will play him in a role that he is not suited.

Ryder is an enigma. He can and will score lots of goals. He did step up his defensive game for a while until he was bumped down.

The decline of his offensive game was either because he quit caring because he knew Therrien did not like him and he would be signing somewhere else..........or Ryder is not mentally strong.

Either way, its time for Ryder to move on to another team who will use him exclusively in an offensive role and he will pump in 30+ goals and help a team who uses him properly.

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All I can think of when I see a hypothetical Regehr/Subban pairing is the following:

http://*******.com/nzv6vg3

Regehr's age and physically taxing style of play long ago caught up with him, reducing him to little more than a mediocre bottom pairing defenseman. Once, he might have been a solid partner for Subban given their complimentary styles of play, but now PK would have far greater difficulty carrying him than he does elevating Gorges or Markov who are, at this point, more or less second-pairing defensemen at even strength. Regehr is simply old and busted.

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what about a Bogosian + Alex Burmistrov for DD + prospect pick. The one that drafted Alex Burmistrov was Rick Dudley 8 th overall. So we got a good insider on him
I like the idea of Bogosian but we would have to offer our 1st and Kristo for sure and I would add a dman and get them to include Thorburn. We don't need Burmistrov. I'd also offer DD and Diaz to Phoenix for a 2nd and the rights to Smith and Gordon. Sign Smith and then trade Price + Pateryn to Florida or 2nd overall and Gudbranson. Pick Makinnon and we have our three future centers in Gally & Eller, MacK. Add a Bickell and a few other moves and we are good to go.

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I like the idea of Bogosian but we would have to offer our 1st and Kristo for sure and I would add a dman and get them to include Thorburn. We don't need Burmistrov. I'd also offer DD and Diaz to Phoenix for a 2nd and the rights to Smith and Gordon. Sign Smith and then trade Price + Pateryn to Florida or 2nd overall and Gudbranson. Pick Makinnon and we have our three future centers in Gally & Eller, MacK. Add a Bickell and a few other moves and we are good to go.
Don't stop believin'.

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05-25-2013, 11:05 PM
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Dream team:

Patches Eller Gally
Galchenyuk MacKinnon Bickell
Bourque Pleks Gio ( or trade Gio and add a large RW)
Thorburn Gordon Prust
White

Gudbranson PK
Bogosian Gorges
Markov Boullion
Emelin Tinordi

Could trade Moen for a 3rd. Could use Gorges in a trade for a RW for Pleks.

Smith
Budaj

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Dream team:

Patches Eller Gally
Galchenyuk MacKinnon Bickell
Bourque Pleks Gio ( or trade Gio and add a large RW)
Thorburn Gordon Prust
White

Gudbranson PK
Bogosian Gorges
Markov Boullion
Emelin Tinordi

Could trade Moen for a 3rd. Could use Gorges in a trade for a RW for Pleks.

Smith
Budaj
You wish you're getting bogosian, why would florida want price when they have markstromm.
Also Mackinnon as an 18 year old over pleks is a joke in itself.

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05-25-2013, 11:19 PM
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[B][CENTER]This is my ideal roster for next season.


2013/2014

FORWARDS

Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.870m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Bryan Bickell ($2.500m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($3.225m) / Lars Eller ($1.325m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.325m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) / Ryan White ($0.650m)
Stopped reading here. How do you people still have DD as your 1st center in your IDEAL line up? Realistic line up maybe because I'm not convinced that MB can move DD with his contract but to want DD as your 1st center in your ideal line up for the cup run is just ridiculous. And to keep DD in center over Eller is just non-sense.

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05-25-2013, 11:35 PM
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Stopped reading here. How do you people still have DD as your 1st center in your IDEAL line up? Realistic line up maybe because I'm not convinced that MB can move DD with his contract but to want DD as your 1st center in your ideal line up for the cup run is just ridiculous. And to keep DD in center over Eller is just non-sense.
To put Desharnais line first, second or even third doesn't matter. That can change easily during a game. You're overreacting.

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Bickell or Clarkson up front on the top-9, sign me up.
Bordeleau, Nystrom or Torres on the 4th line, sign me up.
Doug Murray or Robin Regehr on D, sign me up.

Pacioretty - *sigh* Desharnais - Gallagher
Bourque - Plekanec - Bickell
Prust - Eller - Galchenyuk
Moen - White - Bordeleau

Markov - Emelin
Tinordi - Subban
Bouillon - Murray
Diaz

Price
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We need to find a big winger to play on the Desharnais line. Obviously Desharnais is not going anywhere this off season so Bergevin has to set him up to succeed. It doesn't even have to be a high scoring player. Just a solid top 9 big body guy who will make space and crash the net. If we can get a player like that it will really balance out our forwards.

Desharnais is a smart, talented player but he needs the right situations to be effective. Eller and Plekanec are excellent defensive centres so we can afford to give Desharnais the offensive match ups. But we can't have Gionta or Gallagher on his right wing. It just does not work. I don't know much about Bickell but he seems like he could fit well.


Bourque--------Pleks-----------Gionta/Gallagher
Pacioretty------Desharnais-----Bickell
Galchenyuk----Eller------------Gionta/Gallagher


That's a pretty deep, balanced top 9.
Almost there, try:

Pacioretty--------Pleks-------Gionta
Bourque------Eller-----Gallagher
Galchenyuk-----Desharnais-------Bickell

And you're talking.

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I like the idea of Bogosian but we would have to offer our 1st and Kristo for sure and I would add a dman and get them to include Thorburn. We don't need Burmistrov. I'd also offer DD and Diaz to Phoenix for a 2nd and the rights to Smith and Gordon. Sign Smith and then trade Price + Pateryn to Florida or 2nd overall and Gudbranson. Pick Makinnon and we have our three future centers in Gally & Eller, MacK. Add a Bickell and a few other moves and we are good to go.
Yup, easy peasy. All other NHL teams magically disappear while we trade with one team, or another.

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05-26-2013, 02:34 AM
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Pacioretty - Eller - Gallagher
Bourque - Plekanec -Dupuis
Prust -Galchenyuk-Gionta
Moen - White - hendricks

Markov - Emelin
bieksa- Subban
gorges-Diaz
Bouillon

Price
Budaj

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05-26-2013, 02:57 AM
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dream team we just have to trade gionta and a 3rd

blake-lach-richard
lemaire-beliveau-lafleur
shutt-richard-geoffrion
gainey-carbo-nilan
nilan over 15 othr hofer cause can fight no morenz bcuz hes too short and from ontario

savard robinson
harvey chelios
lapointe langway

need to be bigger tho maybe trade for bigger

hainsworth
vezina

hainsworth chose cause many shutout alhtough i dont think hes best cause he lets in goal half the games. vezina because trophy name afetr him so we win it every year

bergvin should do this or be fired is so simple

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No offense to you but you danced around my question.

To your point, I am ready for Ryder to leave Montreal. He will be worthless because Therrien does not believe in him and will play him in a role that he is not suited.

Ryder is an enigma. He can and will score lots of goals. He did step up his defensive game for a while until he was bumped down.

The decline of his offensive game was either because he quit caring because he knew Therrien did not like him and he would be signing somewhere else..........or Ryder is not mentally strong.

Either way, its time for Ryder to move on to another team who will use him exclusively in an offensive role and he will pump in 30+ goals and help a team who uses him properly.

- He was watching games from the pressbox the first time he played for the Habs
- Even after winning a Cup with Boston he wasnt offered a contract by them
- Dallas, despite trying to rebuild, got rid of him for an older and less productive player, they even added a pick to make sure the deal goes trough


guess MT isnt the only one not to like him

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I like the idea of Bogosian but we would have to offer our 1st and Kristo for sure and I would add a dman and get them to include Thorburn. We don't need Burmistrov. I'd also offer DD and Diaz to Phoenix for a 2nd and the rights to Smith and Gordon. Sign Smith and then trade Price + Pateryn to Florida or 2nd overall and Gudbranson. Pick Makinnon and we have our three future centers in Gally & Eller, MacK. Add a Bickell and a few other moves and we are good to go.
You are giving DD and Diaz for two UFA who will most likely test the market? So basically you are trading them for nothing.

So who is going to replace Diaz? Beaulieu?
And DD? Hudon? Kristo?

Not saying DD is great but he can hold himself in faceoffs at 50%.
Who is going to replace DD on face-off and play his minutes: Halpern, White, Dumont?
You see anyone of these getting 60 points? 50 points? 40 ESP points? 30 points?
Seriously...

Smith is good but we have just signed Budaj for an extension.

Price and 2nd overall for Gudbranson?
So what happens with Markstrom?
You think they are giving up on him for the next 5 years?

Between McKinnon or Drouin who would be the pick?

The only point that is realist is us signing Bickell. So you are ready to offer him 3.5M.

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Pacioretty - Eller - Gallagher
Bourque - Plekanec -Dupuis
Prust -Galchenyuk-Gionta
Moen - White - hendricks

Markov - Emelin
bieksa- Subban
gorges-Diaz
Bouillon

Price
Budaj
Dupuis: How much? 4M X 5Y?
Bieksa: What are you going to give to get him? Tinordi + Kristo + 2nd?
Hendricks: He did 9 points last season... Moen, Bouillon... You want to offer him 1M?

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05-26-2013, 04:42 AM
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This summer, with SCap going down, we will see many buy-outs and many UFA not offered a contract.

The name of the game in this context is to let other teams fight for the most expensive UFA and offer reasonable contracts to the players that are interesting to us.

Then in September/October, we can hire one or two players to complement our team until our rookies are ready.

GM who understand the new dynamic will be winners...

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Almost there, try:

Pacioretty--------Pleks-------Gionta
Bourque------Eller-----Gallagher
Galchenyuk-----Desharnais-------Bickell

And you're talking.
That looks good too. It would be interesting to see how Galch and DD worked together. I actually like that lineup a lot.

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Pacioretty-Plekanec-Gallagher
Dubinsky-Eller-Gionta
Bickell-Galchenyuk-Klingberg/Chiasson/Matteau
Moen-Dumont-Prust
(Bordeleau)

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Diaz-Fistric
(Bouillon)

FA signings:
Bryan Bickell- 2.9mil over 6 years.
Mark Fistric- 2mil over 4 years.
Patrick Bordeleau- 1.25mil over 2 years.

Trades:
Danny Kristo to WPG for Carl Klingberg
or
Danny Kristo to DAL for Alex Chiasson
or
Danny Kristo to NJ for Stefan Matteau

Rene Bourque + David Desharnais to CLB for Brandon Dubinsky

Would be a wonderful scenario. Value is close? Keeping with the youth movement while adding size, physicality and character.

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You wish you're getting bogosian, why would florida want price when they have markstromm.
Also Mackinnon as an 18 year old over pleks is a joke in itself.
They are just lines not 1,2,3. Get over yourself Ethel. Markstromm is horrible.

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Yup, easy peasy. All other NHL teams magically disappear while we trade with one team, or another.
Beats sitting on our hands and having this same conversation next year.

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You are giving DD and Diaz for two UFA who will most likely test the market? So basically you are trading them for nothing.

So who is going to replace Diaz? Beaulieu?
And DD? Hudon? Kristo?

Not saying DD is great but he can hold himself in faceoffs at 50%.
Who is going to replace DD on face-off and play his minutes: Halpern, White, Dumont?
You see anyone of these getting 60 points? 50 points? 40 ESP points? 30 points?
Seriously...

Smith is good but we have just signed Budaj for an extension.

Price and 2nd overall for Gudbranson?
So what happens with Markstrom?
You think they are giving up on him for the next 5 years?

Between McKinnon or Drouin who would be the pick?

The only point that is realist is us signing Bickell. So you are ready to offer him 3.5M.
I'd give Bickell 3 million. We don't need DD nor Diaz. Both small and ineffective. Replace them with trades for bigger dmen. Markstromm is terrible. I would pick MacK as his powerful skating reminds me of Crosby. Having Eller move into Pleks spot in a few years and Galchenyuk and MacK as 1/2 we would be set down the middle. Of course we would need Florida to be desparate for Price so who knows. Can't hurt to ask.

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This summer, with SCap going down, we will see many buy-outs and many UFA not offered a contract.

The name of the game in this context is to let other teams fight for the most expensive UFA and offer reasonable contracts to the players that are interesting to us.

Then in September/October, we can hire one or two players to complement our team until our rookies are ready.

GM who understand the new dynamic will be winners...
Agreed 100 percent. There may also be opportunities to trade and win on the talent exchange if salary is absorbed.

Cap dollars are a commodity that can be used to get talent. That's not unique however the number of teams looking for relief this year is.

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Do you guys think we could get Edler for a decent price? He's big and physical. Cannucks fans aren't high on him lately, but he can turn it around.

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A deal with the Hawks is where MB will be looking...just a hunch...

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