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View Poll Results: Draft goes Jones/Mackinnon/Drouin/Barkov/Nichushkin/Nurse. Who should they take?
Monahan 138 73.02%
Lindholm 51 26.98%
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I like it. "Komarov is multi-lingual and can speak four languages: Swedish, Finnish, Russian, and English." I know who I would name captain.

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I like it. "Komarov is multi-lingual and can speak four languages: Swedish, Finnish, Russian, and English." I know who I would name captain.
Kinda surprised he doesnt know Estonian. But I figure he was only born there, didnt grow up or live in Estonia.

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I expected Monahan to come out ahead in the poll but I am surprised it is by so much. I haven't seen a lot of either, but it was my understanding that Lindholm had higher potential. Probably not Forsberg level, but Backstrom isn't too crazy.

Monahan is bigger and is a known faceoff specialist. Is it mostly those qualities that are causing people to lean toward him?

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I expected Monahan to come out ahead in the poll but I am surprised it is by so much. I haven't seen a lot of either, but it was my understanding that Lindholm had higher potential. Probably not Forsberg level, but Backstrom isn't too crazy.

Monahan is bigger and is a known faceoff specialist. Is it mostly those qualities that are causing people to lean toward him?
I think people presume him to be Bergeron lite and Lindholm to be similar to Gagner (smaller skilled center)

More I learn about EL, more I like him and am indifferent

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Stauffer said on today's show "if its me I stay away from Nichuskin". This was after he discused the news about him coming over and Tampa and Car potentially being interested.

Just thought that was interesting.

I'm so confused with the stuff Stauffer says. He is no doubt connected, but the Murray pre-draft talk and everything makes me question which stuff to believe.

I think with Nichushkin's contract torn up he'll probably be picked ahead of us, leaving the fear of taking another winger very small.

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Fair enough. I guess I have different comparables. I see Lindholm as a probable Backstrom with a very very slim chance of being a poor mans Forsberg. And Monahan as a less offensive J Staal or Couturier.

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I don't remember where I read it. Might have been on an Oilersnation article comment section, but it stated Monahan has skating issues.

Any truth to this?

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Fair enough. I guess I have different comparables. I see Lindholm as a probable Backstrom with a very very slim chance of being a poor mans Forsberg. And Monahan as a less offensive J Staal or Couturier.
You know what I hate commenting so strongly when I haven't seen the majority of a season of a player but I will anyways. I know scouting reports have questioned Monahans offensive upside but the games I saw this year (and last year and 2 from year before) I see a great offensive player. In 2 of the games I caught of his this year, he created a bunch of scoring chances with his passing but his teammates fumbled his passes, weren't paying attention and let it just go by them (which u don't see at NHL level much but do so in junior) or just couldn't convert. I didn't have any issue with his 5 on 5 play. I know a lot of his points came on the pp but I think he is a fabulous offensive player in any situation. I think if we got him he would be a great offensive player for us and would be behind only Hall in terms of creating. Yes Yak is great but that is how highly I think of Monahans offensive game. So why aren't the scouting reports saying the same? Not sure, maybe I'm out to lunch( I don't think so but maybe its possible ).

I think Monahan has 70-80 point potential. Combine that with his defensive game and ability on the dot, pp and PK and you have the 2nd best player in draft (behind only Mack). I think if he had better team and line mates we wouldn't be talking about Monahan as he would be battling for the top 5. I really hope we get this guy. He would be a godsend. But I'm not a scout - just a fan. And I've been wrong about a lot of players in the past.

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I think Mohanan as a J.Staal type player. Perfect second line centre. Can win faceoffs, is big and can play in all 3 zones. If I was look for a number 1 centre I'd rather draft Lindholm. But we already have a smaller , skilled centre in RNH who is a number 1, we need someone to compliment RNH instead imo.

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Fair enough. I guess I have different comparables. I see Lindholm as a probable Backstrom with a very very slim chance of being a poor mans Forsberg. And Monahan as a less offensive J Staal or Couturier.
Not sure if I'd consider Monahan less offensive than those guys, he's put up better numbers on a worse team than Staal did at the same age. Plus Staal had the benefit of playing with stars like Liam Reddox in his draft year.

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Stauffer said on today's show "if its me I stay away from Nichuskin". This was after he discused the news about him coming over and Tampa and Car potentially being interested.

Just thought that was interesting.
Stauffer isn't a fan of Russians, so I wouldn't pay much attention. He was against Yakupov last year too. Remember the whole Kremlin breaking the piggy bank to keep him in the KHL thing?

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Stauffer isn't a fan of Russians, so I wouldn't pay much attention. He was against Yakupov last year too. Remember the whole Kremlin breaking the piggy bank to keep him in the KHL thing?
Clearly we should have drafted the top rated Canadian forward instead- Tom Wilson.


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You know what I hate commenting so strongly when I haven't seen the majority of a season of a player but I will anyways. I know scouting reports have questioned Monahans offensive upside but the games I saw this year (and last year and 2 from year before) I see a great offensive player. In 2 of the games I caught of his this year, he created a bunch of scoring chances with his passing but his teammates fumbled his passes, weren't paying attention and let it just go by them (which u don't see at NHL level much but do so in junior) or just couldn't convert. I didn't have any issue with his 5 on 5 play. I know a lot of his points came on the pp but I think he is a fabulous offensive player in any situation. I think if we got him he would be a great offensive player for us and would be behind only Hall in terms of creating. Yes Yak is great but that is how highly I think of Monahans offensive game. So why aren't the scouting reports saying the same? Not sure, maybe I'm out to lunch( I don't think so but maybe its possible ).

I think Monahan has 70-80 point potential. Combine that with his defensive game and ability on the dot, pp and PK and you have the 2nd best player in draft (behind only Mack). I think if he had better team and line mates we wouldn't be talking about Monahan as he would be battling for the top 5. I really hope we get this guy. He would be a godsend. But I'm not a scout - just a fan. And I've been wrong about a lot of players in the past.
The thing about Monohan is even if he doesn't shine he should still be a very solid 3rd line C. Something this team really needs. He would be the BPA if he was still around and fits so well on the team.

personally I would like to see Monohan or Nurse.

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You could pretty much call me the captain of the Monahan bandwagon all season, but this footage has me wondering if I'd rather see Nichuskin slide instead...


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Fair enough. I guess I have different comparables. I see Lindholm as a probable Backstrom with a very very slim chance of being a poor mans Forsberg. And Monahan as a less offensive J Staal or Couturier.
So Manny Malholtra. In the first round, no thanks..in the third? Yes please.

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Clearly we should have drafted the top rated Canadian forward instead- Tom Wilson.

I know it's sarcasm, and I obviously wouldn't take him first, but it really is too bad we couldn't get our hands on Wilson

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You could pretty much call me the captain of the Monahan bandwagon all season, but this footage has me wondering if I'd rather see Nichuskin slide instead...

If he is available Oilers must take him..he's got more size than any forward in the top ten..sure he's a winger, but put him and Yakupov around Gagner and we will be fine.


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You could pretty much call me the captain of the Monahan bandwagon all season, but this footage has me wondering if I'd rather see Nichuskin slide instead...

I'm not much of a prospect guy. Is Kovalev a good comparable for him? That's pretty much who I was seeing in that highlight reel. I know some articles say he's similar to Rick Nash too.

It doesn't look really like what we need, but that would represent exceptional value for the 7th overall pick. I think, ideally, someone above us would take him (or a D-man, or go otherwise off the board), leaving one of Lindholm or Monahan to fall into that 7 spot. Even if Nichuskin is the better, more talented prospect, I think the Oilers don't need to hit a home-run with this draft. They need a solid double.

But if Nichuskin is at that spot, and the consensus Top 6 is gone, then I hope the team shows some brass ones and takes him.

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You know what I hate commenting so strongly when I haven't seen the majority of a season of a player but I will anyways. I know scouting reports have questioned Monahans offensive upside but the games I saw this year (and last year and 2 from year before) I see a great offensive player. In 2 of the games I caught of his this year, he created a bunch of scoring chances with his passing but his teammates fumbled his passes, weren't paying attention and let it just go by them (which u don't see at NHL level much but do so in junior) or just couldn't convert. I didn't have any issue with his 5 on 5 play. I know a lot of his points came on the pp but I think he is a fabulous offensive player in any situation. I think if we got him he would be a great offensive player for us and would be behind only Hall in terms of creating. Yes Yak is great but that is how highly I think of Monahans offensive game. So why aren't the scouting reports saying the same? Not sure, maybe I'm out to lunch( I don't think so but maybe its possible ).

I think Monahan has 70-80 point potential. Combine that with his defensive game and ability on the dot, pp and PK and you have the 2nd best player in draft (behind only Mack). I think if he had better team and line mates we wouldn't be talking about Monahan as he would be battling for the top 5. I really hope we get this guy. He would be a godsend. But I'm not a scout - just a fan. And I've been wrong about a lot of players in the past.
Dude I'm thinking your kind of crazy. there is nothing I've seen from him that would make me think he will be better than Nuge, Yakupov, or Eberle offensively; in terms of attributes that have an impact offensively such as hockey sense, shot, stick skills, and skating he is better than each of the above in 1 of those categories at most. I'm a Monahan fan but that bar is too high I'd expect 10 points above what your typical 2nd line center would get in terms of offense and then plays a solid two way game and has the ability to PK and win critical defensive zone draws on top of it, combine that with his leadership qualities and you have a heck of a player. His skill set to me just doesn't seem to be capable of the 70-80 point level on a recurring basis, the only way I see it is if he learns to bring an extraordinarily high compete level on a nightly basis and really good chemistry with his linemates on top of it.

If you want the better offensive guy I'd say Lindholm is the better bet, he's a better playmaker, a better skater, his dekes are a little slicker, and the way he does tight turns and pivots is good for shaking off defenders. If we are looking for the ideal linemate for Yakupov, Lindholm is a pretty great fit and I could see him and Yak teaming up for multiple quick bang bang offensive plays. Monahan is a better match for what our team as a whole is lacking most notably size and defensive play and is probably a safer bet, cause I could see Monahan being a solid contributor on the 3rd of 4th line even if he fell well below his potential, whereas Lindholm if he didn't turn out would likely find his way back to play in Europe like Omark/Schremp .


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You know what I hate commenting so strongly when I haven't seen the majority of a season of a player but I will anyways. I know scouting reports have questioned Monahans offensive upside but the games I saw this year (and last year and 2 from year before) I see a great offensive player. In 2 of the games I caught of his this year, he created a bunch of scoring chances with his passing but his teammates fumbled his passes, weren't paying attention and let it just go by them (which u don't see at NHL level much but do so in junior) or just couldn't convert. I didn't have any issue with his 5 on 5 play. I know a lot of his points came on the pp but I think he is a fabulous offensive player in any situation. I think if we got him he would be a great offensive player for us and would be behind only Hall in terms of creating. Yes Yak is great but that is how highly I think of Monahans offensive game. So why aren't the scouting reports saying the same? Not sure, maybe I'm out to lunch( I don't think so but maybe its possible ).

I think Monahan has 70-80 point potential. Combine that with his defensive game and ability on the dot, pp and PK and you have the 2nd best player in draft (behind only Mack). I think if he had better team and line mates we wouldn't be talking about Monahan as he would be battling for the top 5. I really hope we get this guy. He would be a godsend. But I'm not a scout - just a fan. And I've been wrong about a lot of players in the past.
I watched a lot of Monahan in both 2010-2011 and 2011-2012. I agree with your assessment of his offensive potential, at least as far as a possible 70-80 point player is concerned. He was great with Toffoli and Prince while being the clear defensive conscience on that line. I do'nt see him being on the level of Nuge or Yakupov offensively, but with the Oiler's wingers he should put up lots of points.


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I've read that Monahan is one of the most NHL ready prospects in this draft. That and being Captain material, i wouldnt mind having a big body who has good defensive qualities to his game, as well as an offensive upside

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I'm not much of a prospect guy. Is Kovalev a good comparable for him? That's pretty much who I was seeing in that highlight reel. I know some articles say he's similar to Rick Nash too.

It doesn't look really like what we need, but that would represent exceptional value for the 7th overall pick. I think, ideally, someone above us would take him (or a D-man, or go otherwise off the board), leaving one of Lindholm or Monahan to fall into that 7 spot. Even if Nichuskin is the better, more talented prospect, I think the Oilers don't need to hit a home-run with this draft. They need a solid double.

But if Nichuskin is at that spot, and the consensus Top 6 is gone, then I hope the team shows some brass ones and takes him.
Kovalev is one of the most talented players to ever lace up the skates, Kovalev had questionable work ethic which held him back from being the superstar he should of been. I don't think Nichushkin is anywhere close to as talented, hell Jagr said Kovalev is more talented than him so that says a lot, Nichushkin is a big frame that skates like the wind that kind of player always makes scouts drool and dream of what could be. Projecting a players long term potential is a hard thing to do, but from what I've seen of him his offensive repertoire is pretty limited and he relies heavily on breaking down the wing with speed and using his large frame to bring it to the net. NHL defenders and goalies are capable of shutting down this kind of play this is/was one of Paajarvi's go to moves they are pretty close in terms of skating ability but Nichushkin has better hands and his dekes in close are better than Paajarvi's and his larger frame and in general more confident in himself makes me think he can do this more frequently and successfully than Paajarvi, but I'm not sure if that is saying much. Nichushkin's shot, hockey sense, or play away from the puck have not wow'd me in my limited viewings of him I'd like to know how capable he is when his go to move gets shut down completely or how he will fair against the bigger stronger players in the NHL where he doesn't have the same physical advantages; given how high other teams seem to think of him if the press is to believed I would try to trade down if the other 6 were already taken.

I could be wrong though I remember not liking Saad in his draft year due to really poor work ethic despite him having a good skill set, and now he is a total steal for Chicago and the kind of power forward we badly need.

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I expected Monahan to come out ahead in the poll but I am surprised it is by so much. I haven't seen a lot of either, but it was my understanding that Lindholm had higher potential. Probably not Forsberg level, but Backstrom isn't too crazy.

Monahan is bigger and is a known faceoff specialist. Is it mostly those qualities that are causing people to lean toward him?
I picked Monahan because he seems more polished in all zones, is a beast on faceoffs which is vital for the puck possession team that the Oilers are trying to be and is already familiar with the North American game, will have a smoother transition to the NHL game IMO.
Monahan's offensive limitations are exaggerated (i've seen about 10 of his games). He's actually an excellent playmaker and has very good hands close to the net so i don't really see the J. Staal comparisons to be honest. I see him more as Bergeron or Toews-lite than Couturier or J. Staal. He's a much better playmaker than Couturier and Staal IMO. He does have a bit of an awkward skaing stride though, bit of a slow first step but that's something he can easily work on.

I'm actually a big fan of Lindholm, i thought he was great in the WJC and his size doesn't seem to be an issue at all (as opposed to Gagner who is of similar size) but i feel that Monahan is the better fit even though Lindholm likely has more upside. With it being fairly close between the two, i think you have to go with the better fit.


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I don't see it as the issue being negated though.

Terminating his contract means that he could play in the NHL next year. But if the team that drafts him isn't willing to make him an NHL regular immediately, he'll be back in the KHL with Dynamo. He's said as much. Once he's there for a few years, there's no saying what he's going to decide. Russian players playing in Canadian Major Junior have left for the KHL when the road to the NHL didn't go as smoothly as expected (Filatov, Radulov, Zharkov). In Radulov's case, even after he was guaranteed an NHL job and his ELC had expired, he decided to stay in the KHL. Heck, even players like Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, and Datsyuk almost stayed in the KHL despite having big money contracts and ties to the NHL. And others have decided not to even bother coming over at all (Kuznetsov).

It seems to me like Nichushkin wants to call all the shots, and that's something that would worry me if I'm a team thinking about using a top 5 (or top 7) pick on the kid. In fact, I might actually be LESS likely to take him now than when he was planning on honouring his 2 year deal with Dynamo.
If he is signed to a NHL contract he can't go back, so that really isn't a worry unless the kid is unwilling to sign a contract until after TC.

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