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05-21-2013, 11:12 AM
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Contract Week on IC: Little, Bogosian & Wheeler (1st post has link)

All week long Richard has been breaking down the potential contracts and options for a number of Jets players. He was interviewed by Rick Ralph on the Rona Roundtable and you can hear that interview and ready the Big 3 RFA breakdowns.

Big 3 Review - Little, Bogosian and Wheeler



As always, comments and thoughts are welcome.

Or if you want a specific analysis:

First up: Bryan Little

Second up: Zach Bogosian

Third up: Blake Wheeler


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05-21-2013, 11:30 AM
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Nice work.

If the Jets could get Little at 3.75, I would lock him up for 5+ years myself.

The cap will go up eventually, and Little will have to remain our number 1 C if Scheifele can't do it, and we can't find someone else. In that case, his contract would be an absolute steal.

If Scheifele or someone else someday becomes the number 1 C, Little either becomes the #2C, or if someone like Lowry, Burmistrov, or someone else is the number 2C, Little would be an excellent RW. Little's versatility in this scenario would be very valuable to me if I was the GM. And in 2+ years, a 3.75 million dollar #2C or #2RW would be pretty good I would think.

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05-21-2013, 11:57 AM
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^ I agree. I think the magic numbers are $3.75M @ 5 years length.

Even if Little plays RW that is a good deal, the guy is a playmaker who can score goals if need be. Plus you see tons of teams now-a-days playing a 2 center line on the ice considering the linesmen are very sticky about enforcing the faceoff rules lately.

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^ I agree. I think the magic numbers are $3.75M @ 5 years length.

Even if Little plays RW that is a good deal, the guy is a playmaker who can score goals if need be. Plus you see tons of teams now-a-days playing a 2 center line on the ice considering the linesmen are very sticky about enforcing the faceoff rules lately.
I was going to make this point myself actually. Watching Little he seems more like a pass guy then a shooter.

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I'm thinking it will be hard to sign Little to a deal under $4 mill/yr.

I'm sure Little's agent will point to Ville Leino's ridiculous FA deal of $4.5 mill/yr with the Sabres (which was a bonehead deal for an untested UFA, at the time), and say Little is worth at least that to the Jets. Don't like Leino's deal, then how about Mikhail Grabovski's $5.5 mill/yr? Ya, Leino's deal looks better.

And the Jets counter in the $3.75 mill range which maybe a bit low for a "1st" line center. But higher than Weiss' deal or Sam Gagner's. I get they were at different positions contract wise, but the contract value would set the salary expectation.

So, in the end, I can see them settling for a 4 yr/$17 mill deal - or $4.25/yr. Maybe a bit rich, but not overly out of line for a 50 pt C who brings a lot to the table.

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I'm thinking it will be hard to sign Little to a deal under $4 mill/yr.

I'm sure Little's agent will point to Ville Leino's ridiculous FA deal of $4.5 mill/yr with the Sabres (which was a bonehead deal for an untested UFA, at the time), and say Little is worth at least that to the Jets. Don't like Leino's deal, then how about Mikhail Grabovski's $5.5 mill/yr? Ya, Leino's deal looks better.

And the Jets counter in the $3.75 mill range which maybe a bit low for a "1st" line center. But higher than Weiss' deal or Sam Gagner's. I get they were at different positions contract wise, but the contract value would set the salary expectation.

So, in the end, I can see them settling for a 4 yr/$17 mill deal - or $4.25/yr. Maybe a bit rich, but not overly out of line for a 50 pt C who brings a lot to the table.
I would take that too. I would even take a longer term at that price. I think Little is an important piece for us. We definitely need him to play centre for at at least a few more years, and his versatility could be a huge bonus after that time period.

Plus, he's good defensively as well.

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I think Chevy will try to lock him up for 5 years at $20m

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I'm pretty sure Chevy realizes the value of investing in and retaining our core players to maintain stability in the organization and style of play, as well as veteran leadership for the promising prospects rising in the system.

Little is a top notch character guy and I have no issue with him getting a bit more of the pie than a similar player (ie. numbers) might.

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Number-wise he did pretty good. Truncated season and all but his even strength point pace was on for legitimate 1st line player, albeit low end, and he improved his FO numbers to >50 which is good for an important centre like him.

Guy is going to get a nice raise methinks.

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4 years at $ 3.75 M per is likely pretty close. Maybe he gets up to $ 4.0 per. It is highly unlikely he would ever find himself in such a good position on another team, centering talent like Ladd and Wheeler with such good chemistry to boot.

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3.5 to 3.75 is where I would pin him for a long term deal in today's lower cap nhl ... He is a decent 2nd line C/RW on a good team.... And that is what we should be shooting for


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Good article. The common sense used in it should put to rest some of the ridiculous suggestions that Little will be looking at a raise in the neighbourhood of $5 million per year because that's supposedly what Bozak (UFA) will be looking for in Toronto or elsewhere.

My prediction - 4 years, 16 million

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The article got it right IMHO.

The things I like best about Bryan are his versatility and compete levels. Bryan may have scoring droughts at times but he is one of our more consistant performers on the team for compete level and a bonafide top 6 asset on a team that only sports 4 of those

4 or 5 x $3.75 would be very nice but limited NM NT.

I see Little as a valuable asset and too bad LLW work so well because I think Kane Scheif Little (RW) could work well.

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I think we'll go shorter - 3 yrs - $12.9m.

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3.5 to 3.75 is where I would pin him for a long term deal in today's lower cap nhl ... He is a decent 2nd line C/RW on a good team.... And that is what we should be shooting for
I think he's a much better than decent 2nd line C on a good team - his defense is terribly under-appreciated

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4 years 15.6 m 3.9 per year, maybe a 5th year at the same amount.

He might be playing on #1 line now. But I see us having 2 equal lines once Kane gets new partners.

Hope we do sign him for more then the 1 year. I really like him.

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Assuming the numbers haven't changed, RFA offer sheets from $3,364,392 to $5,046,585 require a 1st and 3rd as compensation. Is there a list anywhere of which teams have which round draft picks? That would give an idea of whom we would need to fear.

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Assuming the numbers haven't changed, RFA offer sheets from $3,364,392 to $5,046,585 require a 1st and 3rd as compensation. Is there a list anywhere of which teams have which round draft picks? That would give an idea of whom we would need to fear.
We have no fear of offer sheets for our RFAs. We have a ton of cap space and very rich owners. I'd expect we'd match any offer

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Bryan Little

First up is RFA Bryan Little.


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Partik Hornqvist re-signed with Nashville a few weeks ago:

http://www.capgeek.com/player/1058

There's your best comparable for Little.

I'd be shocked if Little gets less than $4.5M/year. It's similar to Pavelec: he has leverage because the Jets don't have enough depth at the position.

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I think Little will sign for 5 years, 21.25m, or 4.25 caphit

Bogosian for 8 years, 44m. 5.5 cap hit.

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I think Little will sign for 5 years, 21.25m, or 4.25 caphit

Bogosian for 8 years, 44m. 5.5 cap hit.
I think exactly along the lines of you.

I am hoping Bogo stays at 5 million per... but I don't think it will.

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I said it before in regards to Bogo........ this is not a time to be sheepish and nichel and dime Bogo...like Nashville tried to do to Webber and Suter a few years ago........( they took Weber to arbitration losed had to pay him 7.5 mill for 1 yr when they only offered 4.5 mill at arbitration, then a yr later had to match Phillys crazy rfa offer)........ Nashville could have stepped up and signed both of them 2 yrs back to identical 6 yr 7 mill deals.....but they didnt step up.......

Now Bogo is not directly comparalble to these two all star d-man but the thinking from management should be the same..... He's 23/24 yrs old, you want to build the team around him/ sign him long term for 8 yrs so when we finally get to where we want to be competing for a stanley cup, were not losing a key cog like nashville did......

5.5 x 8 for 44 mill is perfect for both parties as Bogo at 23 has the security of a big contract with the oportunity to collect big again when he is 31

I would even go as high as an average of 6 mill over 8 yrs....... using Enstroms contract as as a base-line.

With this big contract I would also give BOGO an " A" and trade Buff for top six for- ward help

Dont be Nashville -----step up and do it right Chevy


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The longer the term, the less you should have to pay on an annual basis. If we go to 8 years, I'm hoping we can get to $5m per, or a little under.

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8 year deal..... Lock him up he is the type of guy we want to build our jets around!

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