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05-18-2013, 07:12 PM
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Leverage. Using Seattle too.

Who wants NBA anyway? Would be small market and small market teams don't do anything in the NBA. Would be a waste of time.

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05-18-2013, 07:21 PM
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He was a top 15 or 20 center, if he got these issues in check there was a good chance he would be a top ten or top twelve guy in the league.
Top 15 or 20 in the second half of seasons, when he finally got into game shape. In the first half of seasons, not so much.

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05-18-2013, 07:50 PM
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Country was definitely a good player, though clearly also did not take it very seriously. Could've been far, far better. Showing up grossly overweight to training camp in the lockout-shortened season, choosing to retire as early as he did, etc. Hard to blame the guy, really, I guess. Hang out with your family at home all day, tens of millions in the bank, etc.

On Nash - that was a mistake, pretty clearly. It's a move that should've been made. Didn't need to draft him at #4, but could've easily traded down a few spots, to #10, or whatever. Would've been a low risk, extremely high reward move. Just stupid to not do it.

And yeah, the Francis pick over Odom, who wanted to be here, was dumb. That said, Francis was the right guy to pick, all other things being equal. Incredible player. The type of guy that could've owned this city. Didn't have the longest career out of guys taken in that draft, but at everyone's peaks, he was the best player.
Shareef was great during his time here, and was one of the few players who actually liked the city. I'm not sure the Grizzlies would still be here had they drafted Nash over him.

What's the story with Odom? Did he say he wanted to play here?

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05-18-2013, 07:58 PM
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Shareef was great during his time here, and was one of the few players who actually liked the city. I'm not sure the Grizzlies would still be here had they drafted Nash over him.

What's the story with Odom? Did he say he wanted to play here?
Yeah, before the draft he talked a lot about how he would be happy to play here.

It was probably just for the weed, but whatever works.

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05-18-2013, 08:01 PM
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Yeah, before the draft he talked a lot about how he would be happy to play here.

It was probably just for the weed, but whatever works.


Even more of a reason to hate Steve Francis.

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05-18-2013, 08:09 PM
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Shareef was great during his time here, and was one of the few players who actually liked the city. I'm not sure the Grizzlies would still be here had they drafted Nash over him.

What's the story with Odom? Did he say he wanted to play here?
It may have been just a PR move...
Or a tactic to get him drafted higher...
But he sounded excited by the prospects.

It could be an exaggeration though...
When he was being compared to Francis...
Who I believe even refused to workout for the Grizzlies...
And helped when local sportscasters advocated for him.


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Even more of a reason to hate Steve Francis.
Karma bit him...
And he basically became irrelevant now.
Very few people remember who he is now.

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05-18-2013, 08:48 PM
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Lily white Metrotown gangstas would be even more unbearable. I'll pass.

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05-18-2013, 09:39 PM
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Speaking of only "big market" teams succeeding, with Indiana beating New York tonight, 3 of the final 4 teams in the playoffs are small markets (San Antonio, Indiana and Memphis). All 3 are built on a model of having solid players but no actual superstar (Duncan not a superstar anymore).

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05-19-2013, 03:29 AM
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Main reason it failed was b/c of the economy was in the dumper and the Canadian buck.
Fan interest, given the terrible nature of the teams, was very decent.

Having the Canadian dollar at, our near, par makes a heck of difference. Having increased TV revenues from more Canadian TV sports networks, which have greatly expanded over the last decade or so, also makes a significant difference.

Just dismissing the idea using the problems in the past is short sighted. The parameters have changed making possible financial viability much more possible.

There is a lot of smoke about expansion to the Northwest and there is every possibility that there is a fire beneath it.

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05-19-2013, 04:02 AM
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There is a lot of smoke about expansion to the Northwest and there is every possibility that there is a fire beneath it.
I see Seattle getting 1st crack though.
They had a great fan base...
And they did win a championship...
And many players...
Past and present...
Have a special place in their heart for Seattle.
Some actually voiced their disappointment...

The problem why they left was the arena...
But they got a new one in place.

To be honest...
I don't mind Seattle getting 1st crack.
They deserve it.

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05-19-2013, 04:04 AM
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Main reason it failed was b/c of the economy was in the dumper and the Canadian buck.
Fan interest, given the terrible nature of the teams, was very decent.

Having the Canadian dollar at, our near, par makes a heck of difference. Having increased TV revenues from more Canadian TV sports networks, which have greatly expanded over the last decade or so, also makes a significant difference.

Just dismissing the idea using the problems in the past is short sighted. The parameters have changed making possible financial viability much more possible.
Very, very true.
Also...
The pool of managerial talents are so vast and global now...
That this time it is very possible to have a strong front office...
Which will make a big difference.

I just hope the new ownership will be willing to spend...
Or at least be financially sound so that the team would not be sold.

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05-19-2013, 04:06 AM
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hope the NBA stays away.

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05-19-2013, 07:32 AM
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Cool, will that ***** Michael Heisley come and sing O Canada again?

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05-19-2013, 09:44 AM
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Speaking of only "big market" teams succeeding, with Indiana beating New York tonight, 3 of the final 4 teams in the playoffs are small markets (San Antonio, Indiana and Memphis). All 3 are built on a model of having solid players but no actual superstar (Duncan not a superstar anymore).
I'll take issue with that.

He's 7'0", scores 18 per night, grabs 10 boards, blocks 3 shots, and shoots 50%. And that's not even speaking of the fundamentals that he brings - going to the right place, making the right pass, etc. Still very much a superstar and by far the most important player on the Spurs.

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05-20-2013, 02:45 PM
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NBA expansion to Vancouver would be a colossal disaster. Do fans really want to go through NBA expansion draft rules that deny a team from picking in the top 4 again? Or how about the basic truth that NBA players are the biggest jerks in sports and would not want to be here anyways. I don't think so.

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05-20-2013, 03:30 PM
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Leverage. Using Seattle too.

Who wants NBA anyway? Would be small market and small market teams don't do anything in the NBA. Would be a waste of time.
There is a new CBA in place that has a very aggressive luxury tax. Dynasties like Chicago, LA and even the current Heat roster will be hard to keep together (eg. see what happened to the Thunder this year getting rid of Harden?). Just look at the Memphis Grizzlies in the playoffs as another example.

With teams comprised of 12 players with roster rotations around 8-9 players, if you have a great entry level contract and no bad ones you should have a chance to win. Small market teams will now be able to compete and make money.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...y-tax/1896773/

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