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05-19-2013, 12:47 PM
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Proposal on the pretense that Clarkson cannot come to an agreement with New Jersey.

To NJD:
Gionta
Diaz
Nsh's 2nd rnd pick in 2013

To MTL:
David Clarkson
Anton Volchenkov

If Jersey was willing, I would also look at negotiating a sign and trade aspect for Clarkson, IE New Jersey signs him to an 8 year-deal and trades him to Montreal immediately after.

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05-19-2013, 12:49 PM
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Proposal on the pretense that Clarkson cannot come to an agreement with New Jersey.

To NJD:
Gionta
Diaz
Nsh's 2nd rnd pick in 2013

To MTL:
David Clarkson
Anton Volchenkov

If Jersey was willing, I would also look at negotiating a sign and trade aspect for Clarkson, IE New Jersey signs him to an 8 year-deal and trades him to Montreal immediately after.
If we can end up signing clarkson we are going to keep him

But I'd do something around Diaz for Volch,Gionta for Volch, or 2nd for Volch

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Proposal on the pretense that Clarkson cannot come to an agreement with New Jersey.

To NJD:
Gionta
Diaz
Nsh's 2nd rnd pick in 2013

To MTL:
David Clarkson
Anton Volchenkov

If Jersey was willing, I would also look at negotiating a sign and trade aspect for Clarkson, IE New Jersey signs him to an 8 year-deal and trades him to Montreal immediately after.
Volchenkov has negative value and 8 years for Clarkson??? you crazy

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If we can end up signing clarkson we are going to keep him

But I'd do something around Diaz for Volch,Gionta for Volch, or 2nd for Volch
The idea is that you can't sign him - A sign and trade is a mechanism that exists because Jersey has the right to sign him to an 8 year deal where Montreal can only give him 7 years.

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Volchenkov has negative value and 8 years for Clarkson??? you crazy
Canadiens need him that badly.

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05-19-2013, 12:52 PM
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8 years is way to long for a player like Clarkson unless it is a very reasonable dollar value. Players who play that rough style of play typically wear out suddenly and drastically. Also, while I am interested in Volchenkov, I think NJ would have to keep a bit of his cap hit.

Montreal is definitely giving up more value (like a lot more) if its just Clarkson's rights but I think we are just giving up expendable assets so if we get Clarkson on a reasonable contract I could be persuaded to like this.

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8 years is way to long for a player like Clarkson unless it is a very reasonable dollar value. Players who play that rough style of play typically wear out suddenly and drastically. Also, while I am interested in Volchenkov, I think NJ would have to keep a bit of his cap hit.

Montreal is definitely giving up more value (like a lot more) if its just Clarkson's rights but I think we are just giving up expendable assets so if we get Clarkson on a reasonable contract I could be persuaded to like this.
My belief is that Clarkson is going to get 6 or 7 years at between $30 and $40 Million. Let's say an average $5.5 - If you make it the same dollar amount but add an 8th year to the deal you're looking at an average of $4.75-$5 instead of $5.5-6.

I think he would sign a 8 year $36 million deal at avg of $4.5.

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My belief is that Clarkson is going to get 6 or 7 years at between $30 and $40 Million. Let's say an average $5.5 - If you make it the same dollar amount but add an 8th year to the deal you're looking at an average of $4.75-$5 instead of $5.5-6.

I think he would sign a 8 year $36 million deal at avg of $4.5.
Clarkson is 29, 8 years buts you at 37 years old at the end of his contract...a forward of his nature won't maintain his production till that age.

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Clarkson is 29, 8 years buts you at 37 years old at the end of his contract...a forward of his nature won't maintain his production till that age.
Agreed - However, I think at $4.5 for the first 3-4 years he will be worth the dough. After that point you have to hope that the cap is at a number where $4.5 for a 4th liner is digestible.

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My belief is that Clarkson is going to get 6 or 7 years at between $30 and $40 Million. Let's say an average $5.5 - If you make it the same dollar amount but add an 8th year to the deal you're looking at an average of $4.75-$5 instead of $5.5-6.

I think he would sign a 8 year $36 million deal at avg of $4.5.
Let NJ keep him at that cost. That is too rich a contract. Hes a good player, a 3M player...ok...but not that much for that long.

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Agreed - However, I think at $4.5 for the first 3-4 years he will be worth the dough. After that point you have to hope that the cap is at a number where $4.5 for a 4th liner is digestible.
Unless the cap goes up to about 150-200M I don't see fourth liners making anything near that. People are complaining that Desharnais making 3.5M is too much and he is a second liner.

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Unless the cap goes up to about 150-200M I don't see fourth liners making anything near that. People are complaining that Desharnais making 3.5M is too much and he is a second liner.
That's not what I meant. If the cap rises it gives you more flexibility, whether that is to put him on the 3rd or 4th line, buy him out or whatever. It's not like the cap is going to stay at $60 million.

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Canadiens need him that badly.
No they don't, unless the caphit is under 3M.

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I've asked it in another thread and didn't get a response so I,ll ask again : When is the last time a sign and trade has actually happened?

Plus with the new rule of being able to negotiate with any free agent one week before they actually become UFA, why do people still make proposals to trade impending UFA negotiating rights?

Also, 8 years or Clarkson?!?!

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no thanks i dont want either one in mtl

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No they don't, unless the caphit is under 3M.
That's asinine.

Players who are in the top 60 in Goals and Fights get paid, big bucks.

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I've asked it in another thread and didn't get a response so I,ll ask again : When is the last time a sign and trade has actually happened?

Plus with the new rule of being able to negotiate with any free agent one week before they actually become UFA, why do people still make proposals to trade impending UFA negotiating rights?

Also, 8 years or Clarkson?!?!
It's never happened because there was no benefit in doing so, now there is.

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It's never happened because there was no benefit in doing so, now there is.
There only is a benefit if the Habs absolutely want to sign Clarkson for 8 years instead of 7. Does that sound likely to you? and how much is that worth really? You live in a fantasy world, son.

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There only is a benefit if the Habs absolutely want to sign Clarkson for 8 years instead of 7. Does that sound likely to you? and how much is that worth really? You live in a fantasy world, son.
What are you talking about?

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There only is a benefit if the Habs absolutely want to sign Clarkson for 8 years instead of 7. Does that sound likely to you? and how much is that worth really? You live in a fantasy world, son.
Happens in the NBA all the time I might add.

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If Clarkson is signed for 4-5 years and lets say around 15-20 million then I would do it. Volchenkov would be a pretty good pickup although expensive.

I would switch Nashvilles 2nd for Montreals since we are taking on a bad contract.

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If Clarkson is signed for 4-5 years and lets say around 15-20 million then I would do it. Volchenkov would be a pretty good pickup although expensive.

I would switch Nashvilles 2nd for Montreals since we are taking on a bad contract.
May not even have to include a 2nd - I didn't realize how much Jersey fans want rid of Volchenkov.

But to me in one move the Habs get tougher without losing much skill or speed.

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That's asinine.

Players who are in the top 60 in Goals and Fights get paid, big bucks.

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Look those players up again. Clarkson isnt part of that group. Hes a solid 3rd liner who slots in a pinch to a top 6 temporarily.

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Happens in the NBA all the time I might add.
Where the Cap is substantially higher and the owners only pay 12 players, not 24-26 plus minor league salaries. There is a HUGE difference between the NBA and NHL, kid.

Montreal will not, should not, get Clarkson on an 8 year contract. He will be a liability sooner than later and is not worth the money that contract would give him. 3 years at 4.5 million is fine, 4 years at 4 million. That is it. Same with Ryan Clowe.

Yes, we DO need a player like Clarkson/Clowe. No, we do not give either one an 8 year contract at a significant cap hit that can brutalize our cap situation down the road.

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No they don't, unless the caphit is under 3M.
Yeah, we'll just ice more Desharnais'

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