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06-21-2013, 06:29 AM
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Just the fact that Nabokov hasn't signed yet and Snow hasn't really come out and said he thinks Nino will be in LI next season leads me to think a deal for a goalie is in the works.

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3. Ales Hemsky...there is a deal for him: The New York Islanders. The player coming back is Nino Niederreiter. This sounds like a win for the Oilers, but you need to read the fine print. Hemsky is a proven player and he'd be a dynamite RW for John Tavares. While Niederreiter has all the makings of a Top 6 forward, his attitude is troubling. He clearly wants out of the Islanders organization. Keep in mind Gilbert Brule was a future star once, and look how that turned out.

4. Acquiring Niederreiter opens a couple of doors for the Oilers. It gives them a little more freedom on draft day. There won't be as much rush to get an immediate player. They can go D, or they could trade down a few spots. Bo Horvat and Curtis Lazar are both definitely on the Oilers radar.

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3. Ales Hemsky...there is a deal for him: The New York Islanders. The player coming back is Nino Niederreiter. This sounds like a win for the Oilers, but you need to read the fine print. Hemsky is a proven player and he'd be a dynamite RW for John Tavares. While Niederreiter has all the makings of a Top 6 forward, his attitude is troubling. He clearly wants out of the Islanders organization. Keep in mind Gilbert Brule was a future star once, and look how that turned out.

4. Acquiring Niederreiter opens a couple of doors for the Oilers. It gives them a little more freedom on draft day. There won't be as much rush to get an immediate player. They can go D, or they could trade down a few spots. Bo Horvat and Curtis Lazar are both definitely on the Oilers radar.

God I hope this is some sort of sick joke.

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I would say that'd be gross overpayment for Hemsky, who hasn't been effective and healthy in years. The Isles could probably get him for a song if they were really interested considering his salary and recent track record. That would just be bad asset management, IMO.

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3. Ales Hemsky...there is a deal for him: The New York Islanders. The player coming back is Nino Niederreiter. This sounds like a win for the Oilers, but you need to read the fine print. Hemsky is a proven player and he'd be a dynamite RW for John Tavares. While Niederreiter has all the makings of a Top 6 forward, his attitude is troubling. He clearly wants out of the Islanders organization. Keep in mind Gilbert Brule was a future star once, and look how that turned out.

4. Acquiring Niederreiter opens a couple of doors for the Oilers. It gives them a little more freedom on draft day. There won't be as much rush to get an immediate player. They can go D, or they could trade down a few spots. Bo Horvat and Curtis Lazar are both definitely on the Oilers radar.
Where is this from? Another Friedman gem?

Makes very little sense.

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06-21-2013, 08:27 AM
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I would say that'd be gross overpayment for Hemsky, who hasn't been effective and healthy in years. The Isles could probably get him for a song if they were really interested considering his salary and recent track record. That would just be bad asset management, IMO.
Agreed. Nino for Hemsky doesnt interest me. Hemsky I wouldnt mind for the right price. Only 1 year left on his contract, so it is not that dangerous as long as we dont pay much.

I do think EDM is a trading partner for the Islanders. They are definately looking to make a move, im guessing a RW - Yak, Eberle, Hemsky - something has to go there. I've heard them linked to Reinhart. Now I wouldnt move Reinhart for Hemsky or anything like that, but I would package him in anydeal for Yakupov or Eberle, even though I highly doubt either is available.

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Agreed. Nino for Hemsky doesnt interest me. Hemsky I wouldnt mind for the right price. Only 1 year left on his contract, so it is not that dangerous as long as we dont pay much.

I do think EDM is a trading partner for the Islanders. They are definately looking to make a move, im guessing a RW - Yak, Eberle, Hemsky - something has to go there. I've heard them linked to Reinhart. Now I wouldnt move Reinhart for Hemsky or anything like that, but I would package him in anydeal for Yakupov or Eberle, even though I highly doubt either is available.
It's a BS rumor. I think it was from Hockeybuzz. It makes absolutely no sense at all.

And I thought the HF Trade Forum proposals were bad, this one tops it.

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06-21-2013, 08:32 AM
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It's a BS rumor. I think it was from Hockeybuzz. It makes absolutely no sense at all.

And I thought the HF Trade Forum proposals were bad, this one tops it.
It makes a bit of sense. The price is outrageous, but I could see the Isles having interest in Hemsky. Its a one year deal, for a guy who has had success in the past but is at a low point. Sounds like a garth deal to me. They need a top line winger.

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06-21-2013, 08:38 AM
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It makes a bit of sense. The price is outrageous, but I could see the Isles having interest in Hemsky. Its a one year deal, for a guy who has had success in the past but is at a low point. Sounds like a garth deal to me. They need a top line winger.
But not at the expense of Nino. More like a late round pick.

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06-21-2013, 08:40 AM
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But not at the expense of Nino. More like a late round pick.
absolutely. 6th rounder...Garth special.

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absolutely. 6th rounder...Garth special.
Eh, 3rd or 4th I think is realistic.

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I am not understanding why some are actually making a concerted effort to not just trade Nino, but ultimately give the kid away.

Nino is still a top three prospect in the organization. You don't just ship it off for nothing because some fans feel so slighted by Nino.

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06-21-2013, 09:08 AM
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I am not understanding why some are actually making a concerted effort to not just trade Nino, but ultimately give the kid away.

Nino is still a top three prospect in the organization. You don't just ship it off for nothing because some fans feel so slighted by Nino.
Well said. Even if Nino is not in the plans going forward, he still has quite a bit of value.

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06-21-2013, 09:15 AM
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A Nino for Bernier trade isnt just shipping him off. Its bringing something the Isles desperately need right now, and a very good prospect at that, just like Nino.

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06-21-2013, 10:00 AM
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A Nino for Bernier trade isnt just shipping him off. Its bringing something the Isles desperately need right now, and a very good prospect at that, just like Nino.
Not unlike Luke Schenn for James Van Riemsdyk. Young & potential for young and potential - each filling a positional need.

I think a deal is there. We should find out soon enough.


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It's a BS rumor. I think it was from Hockeybuzz. It makes absolutely no sense at all.

And I thought the HF Trade Forum proposals were bad, this one tops it.
Hemsky for Nino makes some sense in the sense of the Isles trading one of their young forwards for a veteran first line RW - BUT, Hemsky might not be that guy.

He's had two poor seasons, the sixth highest scoring forward for the past two seasons on a very young Oilers team where one would think he'd be a leader and elevate the play of others.

I watched a fair amount of Oilers games the last two years and Hemsky hasn't been that good. I'd prefer Briere, for free and less than half the $5.5m salary that Hemsky will make. I'd take Sam Gagner over Hemsky, probably better value match as well.

I think there might be better choices and better use of cap money than Hemsky.

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If that's the case, as curious as I am to see how Nino would look on JT's wing, I say trade him to a team that is high on him and get something decent in return with a fresh start. cough**excuse**bernier**me

The team is coming off a strong finish to the season and everyone can't wait to get back on the ice with new confidence. The last thing they need is a distraction in the locker room. It's kinda sad but that's how it shook out. It's the team's fault for rushing him then misusing him in the first place.
Look, the team rushed him and missused him. Of course, but you know what? Niño also made $1,000,000 bucks sitting in the press box to pad Wangs cap where he had no business making the team. Did Bailey throw a hissy fit when he was rushed and then later found himself in BST, all the while making the same $ as Niño?

Based on the info circulated to date, Niño reminds me of Dany Heatley in how he conducts himself and his business. That's not a good thing.

Niño not reporting to this minicamp is all about one thing: trade me. It's a signal to the organization to trade me at the draft. By the same token, He's also giving indications he may not report to training camp.

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I am not understanding why some are actually making a concerted effort to not just trade Nino, but ultimately give the kid away.

Nino is still a top three prospect in the organization. You don't just ship it off for nothing because some fans feel so slighted by Nino.
Most of it comes from greedy fans of other teams. The same ones who wanted us to trade DiPietro & Nino & Strome & 1st for their 7th round pick.

Very few Islanders fans are looking to sell low on Nino.

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Not unlike Luke Schenn for James Van Riemsdyk. Young & potential for young and potential - each filling a positional need.

I think a deal is there. We should find out soon enough.




Hemsky for Nino makes some sense in the sense of the Isles trading one of their young forwards for a veteran first line RW - BUT, Hemsky might not be that guy.

He's had two poor seasons, the sixth highest scoring forward for the past two seasons on a very young Oilers team where one would think he'd be a leader and elevate the play of others.

I watched a fair amount of Oilers games the last two years and Hemsky hasn't been that good. I'd prefer Briere, for free and less than half the $5.5m salary that Hemsky will make. I'd take Sam Gagner over Hemsky, probably better value match as well.

I think there might be better choices and better use of cap money than Hemsky.
My problem with the JVR swap for Schenn when comparing it to Niño for Bernier is that it may not take Niño to acquire Bernier based on LAs situation. If the Isles could use Niño to acquire another organizational need, then I would prefer that.

If Bernier is too expensive (Niño or the First rounder), then I go all in on Khudobin. Use Niño for that D or F.

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Just the fact that Nabokov hasn't signed yet and Snow hasn't really come out and said he thinks Nino will be in LI next season leads me to think a deal for a goalie is in the works.
Even if something is in the works, hopefully Bernier, wouldnt you like Nabby as a backup? thats a pretty solid combo to have and at his advanced(hockeywise) age, nabby wont be getting too many calls to be a starter.

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Even if something is in the works, hopefully Bernier, wouldnt you like Nabby as a backup? thats a pretty solid combo to have and at his advanced(hockeywise) age, nabby wont be getting too many calls to be a starter.
Yes but I'm betting Nabokov doesn't return unless they are guaranteeing him the starting job. That could be what's holding up the process.

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Most of it comes from greedy fans of other teams. The same ones who wanted us to trade DiPietro & Nino & Strome & 1st for their 7th round pick.

Very few Islanders fans are looking to sell low on Nino.
Imagine if Snow would have sold low on Okposo when he was struggling early in the season...

Now some fans (my self included) wouldn't mind seeing the guy with a C on his chest.

Just like some have already alluded to, like Nabby and Viz, people have short memories when said players come in and do well.

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Yes but I'm betting Nabokov doesn't return unless they are guaranteeing him the starting job. That could be what's holding up the process.
or maybe Nabbys salary demands will change if they bring in another goalie. No one brought in, Im a starter I want to be paid like a starter. Bring in Bernier and he cant do that as much...

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Imagine if Snow would have sold low on Okposo when he was struggling early in the season...

Now some fans (my self included) wouldn't mind seeing the guy with a C on his chest.

Just like some have already alluded to, like Nabby and Viz, people have short memories when said players come in and do well.
Lets settle down on the Okposo talk. He had another first half of a season doing nothing, and then turned it on at the end as usual. He still needs to turn in a full season before we can actually say he's worth holding on to.

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Lets settle down on the Okposo talk. He had another first half of a season doing nothing, and then turned it on at the end as usual. He still needs to turn in a full season before we can actually say he's worth holding on to.
I agree. Still a ton to prove. He was dynamite for most of the series, then fizzled out a bit. 2 of his 3 goals were from behind the net. If he can carry his aggressive play, (eg when he beat down niskanen), then we have a player. When he thinks he is a skilled player is when he gets into trouble.

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