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Domi Vs. Horvat Vs. Lazar Vs. Gauthier Vs. Wennberg

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08-09-2013, 04:19 PM
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Skating (speed, acceleration, and agility)

Domi
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier
I'm seeing Gauthier at the bottom of the skating barrel in a lot of lists, which is striking me a little odd. From Hockey Prospectus:

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He is an above-average skater, well above-average for a player his size, as he has a real easiness to his stride. He exerts little effort in his pushoffs, and he picks up speed very well. He is very agile, given his size.
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He has very good speed and intimidates his opponents with his speed and size...

Particularly effective when used on the penalty kill where his speed and hockey sense can lead to unexpected offensive opportunities...

Has surprising acceleration and ability to change speeds for such a big kid.
And if I remember correctly he had one of the top 3 fastest times at the...Prospects Game? For the life of me I can't remember where that was from Regardless, I think people see him and think he's a lazy skater since he's such a big guy, when he's actually quite proficient.

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08-09-2013, 04:20 PM
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Offensive upside

Domi
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier

Defensive play

Horvat
Gauthier
Lazar
Domi

Physicality

Domi
Lazar
Horvat
Gauthier

Skating (speed, acceleration, and agility)

Domi
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier

Passing

Domi
Horvat
Gauthier
Lazar

Shot selection

Horvat
Lazar
Domi
Gauthier

Hockey IQ

Horvat
Domi
Gauthier
Lazar

Bust Potential (from lowest to highest)

Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier
Domi


Dont know enough about Wennberg so I didnt include him.

Yeah don't underrate Gauthier too much eh

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08-09-2013, 04:26 PM
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Carrier will probably be a mid-2nd round pick.

Gauthier's offensive potential scares me. I think he will be a great 3rd line centre. Kind of like Martin Hanzal is he plays more physical.
Really a PPG rookie in the Q and his offensive potential scares you? I wonder how you feel about Horvat and Lazar's offensive potentials then... Not to mention the disparity between GF on their teams and quality of teammates....

None of these lists will be any good, unless someone closely watches all 5 prospects, which I highly doubt considering they're playing in four different leagues.

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08-09-2013, 04:29 PM
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Yeah don't underrate Gauthier too much eh
2 things:

1. I know/have seen the least of Gauthier compared to the other players. If I have ranked him poorly in any area feel free to let me know.

2. Every player involved in this thread is a 1st round pick and high level prospect. Ranking last or 2nd last in some areas considering who he is being compared to is not necessarily a bad thing at all.

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08-09-2013, 04:30 PM
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08-09-2013, 04:43 PM
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Offensive upside

Domi
Wennberg
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier

Defensive play

Horvat
Gauthier
Lazar
Wennberg
Domi


Physicality

Lazar
Horvat
Domi
Gauthier
Wennberg

Skating (speed, acceleration, and agility)

Domi
Wennberg
Gauthier
Horvat
Lazar

Passing

Domi
Wennberg
Horvat
Gauthier
Lazar

Shot selection

Wennberg
Horvat
Domi
Lazar
Gauthier

Hockey IQ

Horvat
Wennberg
Lazar
Domi
Gauthier

Bust Potential (from lowest to highest)

Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier
Domi
Wennberg

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2 things:

1. I know/have seen the least of Gauthier compared to the other players. If I have ranked him poorly in any area feel free to let me know.

2. Every player involved in this thread is a 1st round pick and high level prospect. Ranking last or 2nd last in some areas considering who he is being compared to is not necessarily a bad thing at all.
Ya no worries, the only ones I have a problem with are Defense, Skating, IQ, and Bust potential.

Defense: slightly better then horvat (won selke of the Q)
Skating: one of his main strengths, should be slotted 1 or 2 higher (3rd fastest in chl skills comp)
IQ: Again one of his strengths, should be slotted 1st or 2nd
Bust potential: Should have the lowest bust potential. He already has what it takes to be a shutdown centre at minimum. (Great skater, great defensive play, high IQ)

I agree on the rest, remains to be seen if he can raise his offensive game this year, because he is definitely below all of these players in all offensive categories.

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08-09-2013, 04:54 PM
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I'd say Domi has the highest offensive upside, and Gauthier has the highest defensive upside but Lazar could easily become better, with Wennberg or Horvat likely being the best two way player.

I'd say Domi and Gauthier have the highest bust potential, because Domi is smaller but has a good build but even still there's a risk, and Gauthier seems to be further in his physical development than most other prospects at his age and might not have as much room for improvement. Even still the only outright bust is probably Domi as any of the others probably have the ability to be 4th liners if nothing else, which fits into the major disappointment category rather than bust.

Also Wennberg is one of the oldest players in the draft which always worries me a bit since I believe he was a week away from being in the 2012 draft.

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08-09-2013, 05:02 PM
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Overall:

Horvat
Domi
Lazar
Wennberg
Gauthier


Offence:
Domi
Horvat
Wennberg
Lazar
Gauthier

Defence:
Gauthier
Horvat
Lazar
Wennberg
Domi

Physicality:
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier
Domi
Wennberg

Skating
Lazar
Wennberg
Domi
Horvat
Gauthier

Passing:
Domi
Wennberg
Horvat
Gauthier
Lazar

IQ:
Horvat
Domi
Wennberg
Lazar
Gauthier

Not getting into who will bust or not, but Id say Gauthier or Wennberg have the highest chances of ''busting''.

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08-09-2013, 05:14 PM
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As a Canucks fan that saw a great goaltender traded away for Horvat I'm very happy to see he seems to be lowest chance of "busting" unanimously.

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08-09-2013, 06:45 PM
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Ya no worries, the only ones I have a problem with are Defense, Skating, IQ, and Bust potential.

Defense: slightly better then horvat (won selke of the Q)
Skating: one of his main strengths, should be slotted 1 or 2 higher (3rd fastest in chl skills comp)
IQ: Again one of his strengths, should be slotted 1st or 2nd
Bust potential: Should have the lowest bust potential. He already has what it takes to be a shutdown centre at minimum. (Great skater, great defensive play, high IQ)

I agree on the rest, remains to be seen if he can raise his offensive game this year, because he is definitely below all of these players in all offensive categories.
This is fine if you choose to forget that there are other players he's being compared to.
For example the best skaters out of that bunch in my opinion are Domi and Wennberg. Lazar is a good skater as well but I'd say a bit behind those two. There is much more to skating then straight ahead speed. Gaunce won almost every skating drill at the CHL skills comp last year, but he's hardly a good skater and skating/mobility IMO are one of his weaknesses. IMO he is at best 4th here.

IQ involves all parts of the rink. Gauthier no doubt excels without the puck, but a guy like Lazar is good without it and very good in the offensive zone as well...ditto for Horvat and Wennberg. He is at best 3rd behind Horvat and Lazar.

And he certainly has bust potential because he lacks the offensive tools. Yes he can carve out a career as a 4th liner on defence alone, but for a first round pick that's not ideal. IMO he is at best 3rd here behind Horvat and Lazar.

He would however be first in the defensive zone as that is his specialty so I'm not trying to harp on the guy, but he's going against good players...all of which were just picked ahead of him in the draft. I'd imagine if he did all these things better than the others in addition to his defensive game he'd be a top 5 pick.

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08-09-2013, 06:50 PM
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Overall:
Domi
Horvat
Wennberg
Lazar
Gauthier

Offense:
Domi
Wennberg
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier

Defense:
Horvat
Gauthier
Lazar
Wennberg
Domi

Physicality:
Gauthier
Horvat
Domi
Lazar
Wennberg

Skating:
Domi
Wennberg
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier

Passing:
Domi
Wennberg
Horvat
Gauthier
Lazar

IQ:
Horvat
Domi
Wennberg
Gauthier
Lazar

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Offensive upside
Domi
Wennberg
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier

Defensive play
Gauthier
Horvat
Lazar
Wennberg
Domi

Physicality
Lazar
Horvat
Gauthier
Wennberg
Domi

Skating (speed, acceleration, and agility)
Domi
Wennberg
Lazar
Horvat
Gauthier

Passing
Domi
Wennberg
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier

Shot selection
Lazar
Wennberg
Horvat
Domi
Gauthier

Hockey IQ
Horvat
Domi
Wennberg
Lazar
Gauthier

Bust Potential (from lowest to highest)
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier
Wennberg
Domi

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Funniest thing I've read in the thread. Gauthier at the top of the defensive but lowest on IQ.

You have to have a high hockey IQ to excel at playing defense.

Anyone can be taught to be average. To excel at either end of the ice a high IQ is needed.

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They'll top out like this:

Lazar
Domi
Horvat
Wennberg

Gauthier

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Funniest thing I've read in the thread. Gauthier at the top of the defensive but lowest on IQ.

You have to have a high hockey IQ to excel at playing defense.

Anyone can be taught to be average. To excel at either end of the ice a high IQ is needed.
Being good defensively in the Q =/= good IQ

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Being good defensively in the Q =/= good IQ
Are you saying being good defensively doesn't require it. Scouts making a point to speak on how good he is speaks volumes.

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Horvat
Domi
Gauthier
Wennberg
Lazar

Not gonna go through the whole list but for me the highest offensive potential and best skater is Domi, least likely to bust and most physical Horvat, best defensively Gauthier, best iq Wennberg. Lazar average everywhere......no real standout skill, classic tweener.

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They'll top out like this:

Lazar
Domi
Horvat
Wennberg

Gauthier
Where did you buy your crystal ball from?! Do they have any left?

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Are you saying being good defensively doesn't require it. Scouts making a point to speak on how good he is speaks volumes.
Lots of players are great defensively and have very questionable hockey IQ.

Fisher, Bolland, Mcclement, Kelly, Ott, Sutter, Goc, Gordon etc.

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What is the story with Horvat, why all the love? Was out of the US for awhile so did not watch any chl. Thanks.

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Offensive upside

Gauthier
Domi
Lazar
Horvat
Wennberg

Defensive play

Horvat
Lazar
Wennberg
Gauthier
Domi


Physicality

Lazar
Domi
Horvat
Gauthier
Wennberg

Skating (speed, acceleration, and agility)

Wennberg
Domi
Lazar
Horvat
Gauthier

Passing

Horvat
Domi
Lazar
Gauthier
Wennberg

Shot selection

Domi
Horvat
Lazar
Gauthier
Wennberg

Hockey IQ

Domi
Horvat
Lazar
Wennberg
Gauthier

Bust Potential (from lowest to highest)

Lazar
Horvat
Domi
Gauthier
Wennberg
You obviously don't know gauthier... he does not have high offensive up side, and he's possibly the best defensive forward from the entire group

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What is the story with Horvat, why all the love? Was out of the US for awhile so did not watch any chl. Thanks.
Finished the season with 40 goals in his last 60 games of the season including playoffs and won OHL playoff MVP with 16 goals in 21 games.

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I'm seeing Gauthier at the bottom of the skating barrel in a lot of lists, which is striking me a little odd. From Hockey Prospectus:



From ISS:



And if I remember correctly he had one of the top 3 fastest times at the...Prospects Game? For the life of me I can't remember where that was from Regardless, I think people see him and think he's a lazy skater since he's such a big guy, when he's actually quite proficient.
People see 6'5 and assume he's a slug. From the clips I've seen hes got some good top end speed/mobility. Skating isn't something to be worried about. Very happy with this pick.

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