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05-20-2013, 12:45 AM
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That's exactly my point. You guys are trying to pin this entire 90 minute loss on one sequence. Hockey doesn't work like that. Again, the Pens had chance after chance, both before and after that sequence, to put the game away. They didn't. I'm not trying to excuse Bylsma for that horrible breakdown, you're trying to excuse the rest of the team(and give absolutely no credit to the Sens) for the entire rest of the game.
You're trying to blame more than what needs blamed. It was a hard fought game up too that point. One goal was on the board and if they played a normal PP that particular goal isn't scored, and there's no 90 minute game, but only 60.

Are you going to complain about the PP if they won 1-0 in 60 minutes?

You're trying to find a fault where there are none beyond what actually cost them the game. You do understand the Sens could have scored on their many opportunities they had during the game, too?

In the end the Pens "gave" them one they should never have had, end of game/story.

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05-20-2013, 12:53 AM
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http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...#ixzz2ToA63lDO

DB, I'd like to think you don't try to play a dump and wait, passive, prevent defense using offensive players with a minute left while on the PP.

When your plan is to give the other team the puck, it's not a mystery how they get it.
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Among the players the Penguins had on the ice at the end of regulation were power-play specialists Malkin, Chris Kunitz and Letang. Why? The Penguins didn't need another goal. Why not the team's top defensive forwards on the ice? Where was Cooke and Craig Adams or Pascal Dupuis and Tanner Glass? And why was Letang out there on defense with Paul Martin instead of Brooks Orpik, the usual shutdown defenseman on the penalty-kill?

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05-20-2013, 12:54 AM
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Said it better than I could...on both sides.
A sweep was never going to happen. And if you guys really think that was Ottawa's best, boy are you in for a rude awakening. Face it, this series is going 6 or 7. Buckle up. Ottawa saw Vokoun at his absolute best. He can't sustain that. And now Spezza has a game under him. Expect it tied at two going back to Pittsburgh.

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05-20-2013, 01:11 AM
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A sweep was never going to happen. And if you guys really think that was Ottawa's best, boy are you in for a rude awakening. Face it, this series is going 6 or 7. Buckle up. Ottawa saw Vokoun at his absolute best. He can't sustain that. And now Spezza has a game under him. Expect it tied at two going back to Pittsburgh.
Spezza did nothing, and we don't need or expect Vokoun to play as well as he did tonight.

The only unsustainable aberration here was Anderson letting in a single goal against us with the chances we had.

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05-20-2013, 01:18 AM
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Spezza did nothing, and we don't need or expect Vokoun to play as well as he did tonight.

The only unsustainable aberration here was Anderson letting in a single goal against us with the chances we had.
Spezza was fine for his first game in four months. He will only get better. He created some good chances and is a huge help on faceoffs.

As for Anderson, expect more of the same. For the most part, the Andy you saw tonight, has been that way all season long. If he didn't get hurt, not only was he a lock for Vezina, he could have very easily gotten nominated for the Hart.

Not saying Sens will win series, but I do believe it goes at least six. They are not a pushover.

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05-20-2013, 01:27 AM
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Spezza was fine for his first game in four months. He will only get better. He created some good chances and is a huge help on faceoffs.

As for Anderson, expect more of the same. For the most part, the Andy you saw tonight, has been that way all season long. If he didn't get hurt, not only was he a lock for Vezina, he could have very easily gotten nominated for the Hart.

Not saying Sens will win series, but I do believe it goes at least six. They are not a pushover.
Anderson didn't perform as well as he did tonight in any of the 5 wins the Pens had against him this year. He's a very good goaltender, however he's not an unknown, unsolvable quantity to the Pens.

The Sens are a solid team and certainly not a pushover. But a 3-0 series lead was well within reach when a misguided coaching decision compromised it. People here aren't frustrated with Anderson's play, they're frustrated with their own coach's inability to make the smart decision on a PP in the last minute of the game. Oh well, on to Game 4. Hopefully Bylsma learned a lesson or two.

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05-20-2013, 01:32 AM
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You're trying to blame more than what needs blamed. It was a hard fought game up too that point. One goal was on the board and if they played a normal PP that particular goal isn't scored, and there's no 90 minute game, but only 60.

Are you going to complain about the PP if they won 1-0 in 60 minutes?

You're trying to find a fault where there are none beyond what actually cost them the game. You do understand the Sens could have scored on their many opportunities they had during the game, too?

In the end the Pens "gave" them one they should never have had, end of game/story.
We don't know that though. There are a lot of "ifs" surrounding this game. Why is saying "If they played a normal PP..." any more valid than saying "If they converted a PP..."? Either way, it's a failure on the team's part that could have cost them the game. There were a number of things the Pens could have done to win this one and not all of them are related to the one bad sequence in question. Again, 60 minute hockey games are not won and lost on one sequence. You know that as well as I do.

Squandering 6 PPs, one of which was a 5 on 3 and another in OT, was a big part of the loss. There's just no way around that. This shouldn't have even been a one goal game with 30 seconds left. Again, I'm not saying the shorthanded breakdown/Bylsma isn't to blame, just that it's not the only thing to blame.

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05-20-2013, 01:33 AM
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Anderson didn't perform as well as he did tonight in any of the 5 wins the Pens had against him this year. He's a very good goaltender, however he's not an unknown, unsolvable quantity to the Pens.

The Sens are a solid team and certainly not a pushover. But a 3-0 series lead was well within reach when a misguided coaching decision compromised it. People here aren't frustrated with Anderson's play, they're frustrated with their own coach's inability to make the smart decision on a PP in the last minute of the game. Oh well, on to Game 4. Hopefully Bylsma learned a lesson or two.
Definitely didn't have a hope of tying it when we got shorthanded at the end. But they found a way. As they have all year, through adversity. I thought tonight was a fairly evenly played game though, but the Penguins did have more grade A chances to score.

And I'm not one to complain about the refs too much, but they have been beyond abysmal this entire series.

Will be an interesting game 4 either way. Question: Where is Jussi Jokinen? Is he injured? He seemed to be producing at a decent rate after the trade.

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We don't know that though. There are a lot of "ifs" surrounding this game. Why is saying "If they played a normal PP..." any more valid than saying "If they converted a PP..."? Either way, it's a failure on the team's part that could have cost them the game. There were a number of things the Pens could have done to win this one and not all of them are related to the one bad sequence in question. Again, 60 minute hockey games are not won and lost on one sequence. You know that as well as I do.

Squandering 6 PPs, one of which was a 5 on 3 and another in OT, was a big part of the loss. There's just no way around that. This shouldn't have even been a one goal game with 30 seconds left. Again, I'm not saying the shorthanded breakdown/Bylsma isn't to blame, just that it's not the only thing to blame.
Because they didn't need to score a PPG to win the game. They needed to prevent a SHG to win the game.

ow is this so hard for you to understand?

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05-20-2013, 01:49 AM
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Because they didn't need to score a PPG to win the game. They needed to prevent a SHG to win the game.

ow is this so hard for you to understand?
You know what they needed to win the game? More than the one goal they scored. They simply didn't do enough to get it. If one breakdown was enough to sink them, isn't it possible that maybe their performance could have been better up to that point? They put themselves in the position to be clinging to a one goal lead with 30 seconds left. How is that so hard for you to understand?

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You know what they needed to win the game? More than the one goal they scored. They simply didn't do enough to get it. If one breakdown was enough to sink them, isn't it possible that maybe their performance could have been better up to that point? They put themselves in the position to be clinging to a one goal lead with 30 seconds left. How is that so hard for you to understand?
Just take a break from posting for a while.

You know what position they put themselves in? A 1 goal lead while up a man with 90 seconds left. Nothing that happened earlier in the game means a damned thing.

People are looking for a silver lining when there isn't one. The blew a chance for a stranglehold, plain and simple.

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Just take a break from posting for a while.

You know what position they put themselves in? A 1 goal lead while up a man with 90 seconds left. Nothing that happened earlier in the game means a damned thing.

People are looking for a silver lining when there isn't one. The blew a chance for a stranglehold, plain and simple.
You actually believe that? You don't think failing to convert any of their 6 PPs played a part in the fact that they lost the game? They also had an extra period and a half after the shorthanded goal to win the game and they didn't. None of that matters? You're smart enough to know that one 5 second sequence didn't have to decide this game. I get that people are pissed about Bylsma and rightfully so, but the Pens still had other opportunities to win this game and they failed.

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You actually believe that? You don't think failing to convert any of their 6 PPs played a part in the fact that they lost the game? They also had an extra period and a half after the shorthanded goal to win the game and they didn't. None of that matters? You're smart enough to know that one 5 second sequence didn't have to decide this game. I get that people are pissed about Bylsma and rightfully so, but the Pens still had other opportunities to win this game and they failed.
Enough. These are such stupid arguments they're hardly even worth anyone's time. This idea that if you did a dozen things better earlier, what happened later wouldn't have mattered. What's the point of having a clock then? Just end the game when the refs determine you've done enough things really really well early on.

The fact is, regardless of what went on earlier, the conditions of those last 90 seconds were so perfect you had to **** up on purpose to lose.

So here we are...

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Enough. These are such stupid arguments they're hardly even worth anyone's time. This idea that if you did a dozen things better earlier, what happened later wouldn't have mattered. What's the point of having a clock then? Just end the game when the refs determine you've done enough things really really well early on.

The fact is, regardless of what went on earlier, the conditions of those last 90 seconds were so perfect you had to **** up on purpose to lose.

So here we are...
I could turn around and ask you what's the point of having 3 periods then? Why play a full 60 minutes? If the only thing that matters is the last 90 seconds and the rest is irrelevant, why bother with the rest of the game? The Pens squandered multiple opportunities to put the Sens away. Is it really so outrageous to say that it played a part in the loss? I don't even understand why you're trying to argue against such a fairly innocuous statement, much less throwing out insults and calling it "stupid".

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Just take a break from posting for a while.

You know what position they put themselves in? A 1 goal lead while up a man with 90 seconds left. Nothing that happened earlier in the game means a damned thing.

People are looking for a silver lining when there isn't one. The blew a chance for a stranglehold, plain and simple.
Agreed, 100%. One goal was enough to win this game, but we choked it away. As a lifelong Bills fan, it was like watching a Bills game last night.

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You know what they needed to win the game? More than the one goal they scored. They simply didn't do enough to get it. If one breakdown was enough to sink them, isn't it possible that maybe their performance could have been better up to that point? They put themselves in the position to be clinging to a one goal lead with 30 seconds left. How is that so hard for you to understand?
You can keep saying this all you want, it's not gonna make it true.

Don't give up a SH goal. That's it. Game over.

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You can keep saying this all you want, it's not gonna make it true.

Don't give up a SH goal. That's it. Game over.
But they did. The Sens tied it and instead of overcoming it and winning the game in the next 1.5 periods, they continued to squander all their opportunities. I don't get why it's so hard for you to accept that more than one thing can contribute to a loss. Lots of teams blow leads late. The game doesn't end there.

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But they did. The Sens tied it and instead of overcoming it and winning the game in the next 1.5 periods, they continued to squander all their opportunities. I don't get why it's so hard for you to accept that more than one thing can contribute to a loss. Lots of teams blow leads late. The game doesn't end there.
lol, whatever you want to believe Sniper, to make you feel better about that abortion of a coaching performance.

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lol, whatever you want to believe Sniper, to make you feel better about that abortion of a coaching performance.
My entire point is that our problems went beyond just Bylsma's blunder. How exactly am I trying to make myself feel better about anything? I don't know how many times I need to say that I'm not excusing Bylsma before it sinks in for you. Acknowledging other flaws in the game ≠ absolving Bylsma.

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