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05-21-2013, 11:47 PM
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05-21-2013, 11:52 PM
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I have my issues with Torts too, but he wasn't the one who shook up a roster that nearly made it to the Finals...just saying. He's done pretty damn good all things considered. Roster turnovers every summer aren't how you contend during a franchise goalie's prime.

I still think some shrewd depth moves at the deadline last year could have gave us an edge over the Devils.

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05-21-2013, 11:55 PM
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I have my issues with Torts too, but he wasn't the one who shook up a roster that nearly made it to the Finals...just saying. He's done pretty damn good all things considered. Roster turnovers every summer aren't how you contend during a franchise goalie's prime.
Last year's roster likely doesn't get past the Caps in round 1, provided they got the same seed.

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05-21-2013, 11:57 PM
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Duby is a little overpaid, but I don't think he's as overpaid as people like to think. Last year he played like **** and was completely unrefelctive of what he's capable of. He was MURDERING it when Columbus was pushing for the playoffs. That's Duby. He comes to play come playoffs, he'll fight everyone, he doesn't **** around. Yea he's lazy as **** in the regular season, playoffs? He turns into Callahands brotha.

Prust, yea he too was overpaid a bit. We thought Dorsett would come in and replace that. Hopefully he grows into that roll next year. Did he this year? Not at all. He had an easy opportunity to man up, pick fights, and destroy like Prust did, and he didnt't. Surprise, no one can replace Prust.

Are Duby and Prust worth the extra couple millions it seems everyone were bickering about? I dunno, I've always seemed to think guys like that are irreplaceable come playoff time, especially how they proved themselves the past couple years.
Scoring, what little there was during last season's playoff run, dried up and blew away.
Do you still think that Dubi and Prust are the missing ingredients? I sure don't and do not miss either of them.

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05-21-2013, 11:59 PM
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Last year's roster likely doesn't get past the Caps in round 1, provided they got the same seed.
Would we have had the same seed if this team didn't stumble out of the gate this year? Maybe. Probably not. For a coach who's biggest issue is making adjustments, a roster shake up after finishing 1st in the East probably wasn't the best idea.

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05-22-2013, 12:01 AM
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Scoring, what little there was during last season's playoff run, dried up and blew away.
Do you still think that Dubi and Prust are the missing ingredients? I sure don't and do not miss either of them.
No, but I think letting both Prust and Feds go was dumb in retrospect. We have a good, young team now. Let them mature together.

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05-22-2013, 12:02 AM
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Last year's roster likely doesn't get past the Caps in round 1, provided they got the same seed.
That's an absurdly speculatory thing to say directed towards Caps teams that we've beaten the past few years, even with different rosters.

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Tear it apart. Not the whole team, but big changes have to be made. For all the great defense and goal tending the Rangers have they are tremendously imbalanced. You need to be proficient in offense as well otherwise you'll be playing the game all night in your own end. I don't care how good your goalie or D is you can't win a cup that way.

Think about It. Is there ANY team that depends on one player more than the Rangers? The answer is an emphatic NO and it's not even close. Too many times we've lost games in the playoffs because we couldn't score a single goal to two goals which is not asking for a lot. This team is completely inept offensively.

Fire Torts and rebuild this team on the fly for offense. If you are not offensively creative then you should not be on any other line than the fourth line. The defense could use another more gifted offensive D man too.

Among our forwards the keepers are Brassard, Zuc, Nash, Stepan, Callahan, Asham, and Dorsett.

UFA priority #1 should be Weiss this off season.


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05-22-2013, 01:17 AM
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That's an absurdly speculatory thing to say directed towards Caps teams that we've beaten the past few years, even with different rosters.
Few years? How about this year and last year. They beat us in 10/11 and 08/09.

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05-22-2013, 04:54 AM
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4 years and we don't even have a set play, unless you consider smacking a rolling puck around a set play.

The worst transition game in the league when we're supposed to be a transition attack offense. No fluid breakouts, most times we just deflect or chip it out and change.

The worst PP to ever be in the playoffs probably. Cost us many games in the regular season and was really our undoing in the playoffs.

The dependence placed on Lundqvist is just too much for any one player, especially a player who can't score goals. Hockey is played much more open nowadays, yet we play an ancient style.

4 years and nothing has changed. Players constantly called out in the media, yet Torts is never taking any blame for this awful display of hockey. Lundqvist has strapped 18 players and 2 coaches on his back for too long now, he can only do so much. Something has to change, this anti-hockey system will not lead us anywhere. Julien has been around with Boston for a little longer and look how smooth and cohesive that team is. That's what a good coached hockey team looks like. It's the complete opposite of what you see out of us. We deserve better and the greatest goalie in the world, and possibly ever to play for the Rangers, deserves better.

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05-22-2013, 05:34 AM
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Among our forwards the keepers are Brassard, Zuc, Nash, Stepan, Callahan, Asham, and Dorsett.
Kreider could shine under a shake-up like that.

I still believe allowing D-men like MDZ to follow his offensive instincts would do a whole lot for this team as well.. I feel as though we are playing 3vs5 on offense

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05-22-2013, 06:23 AM
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Exactly ... That shows though, it's not the coach... Team just isn't what it was last year, bottom line. And as far as the problems we had last year? We still are getting beat by superior 4th lines. Seems to be our achilles heal. We can handle team's top couple lines well. Those fourth lines though....
Part of it IS the coaching staff.
Part of it IS the GM.
Part of it IS the players.

Everyone should be on the hook here.



Edit: Is it just me, or does this MustarddTiger fella sound exactly like Torts?


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05-22-2013, 06:35 AM
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Keep dreaming pal. You talk about Staal like we were missing Brian Leetch or something. Face facts, the Bruins are way better than the Rangers are.
If that were remotely true, we would always be blown out by them.

And your Staal hating is still laughable.

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05-22-2013, 06:38 AM
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Part of it IS the coaching staff.
Part of it IS the GM.
Part of it IS the players.

Everyone should be on the hook here.
players have been replaced. the general consensus is that the gm will be here til he chooses to step down. the only logical approach is to fire the coaching staff.

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05-22-2013, 06:49 AM
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Tear it apart. Not the whole team, but big changes have to be made. For all the great defense and goal tending the Rangers have they are tremendously imbalanced. You need to be proficient in offense as well otherwise you'll be playing the game all night in your own end. I don't care how good your goalie or D is you can't win a cup that way.

Think about It. Is there ANY team that depends on one player more than the Rangers? The answer is an emphatic NO and it's not even close. Too many times we've lost games in the playoffs because we couldn't score a single goal to two goals which is not asking for a lot. This team is completely inept offensively.

Fire Torts and rebuild this team on the fly for offense. If you are not offensively creative then you should not be on any other line than the fourth line. The defense could use another more gifted offensive D man too.

Among our forwards the keepers are Brassard, Zuc, Nash, Stepan, Callahan, Asham, and Dorsett.

UFA priority #1 should be Weiss this off season.
Weiss would help. Sad how some don't see potential in Kreider as a future mainstay. As big a fan as I am of acquiring talent via trade, free agency, if dont start developing our own stars were not going anywhere.

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05-22-2013, 07:15 AM
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His love affair with Brian Boyle is not even funny anymore (as if it ever was). Boyle was embarrassed last night on draws (4 for 21) and he keeps sending him out there (20 min. of ice time). If BB is not winning draws he is completely useless. Slow, out of position, terrible puck skills and offensive instincts. When other guys are not going, Torts the clown benches them. Yet he kept sending the 6' 7" sloth out there. This includes the PP and the last minute of the game. WTF????

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His love affair with Brian Boyle is not even funny anymore (as if it ever was). Boyle was embarrassed last night on draws (4 for 21) and he keeps sending him out there (20 min. of ice time). If BB is not winning draws he is completely useless. Slow, out of position, terrible puck skills and offensive instincts. When other guys are not going, Torts the clown benches them. Yet he kept sending the 6' 7" sloth out there. This includes the PP and the last minute of the game. WTF????
Boyle couldn't get off this team fast enough. Embarrassing how much ice time gets. The fact that this coach sees potential in this guy is stupifyng

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His love affair with Brian Boyle is not even funny anymore (as if it ever was). Boyle was embarrassed last night on draws (4 for 21) and he keeps sending him out there (20 min. of ice time). If BB is not winning draws he is completely useless. Slow, out of position, terrible puck skills and offensive instincts. When other guys are not going, Torts the clown benches them. Yet he kept sending the 6' 7" sloth out there. This includes the PP and the last minute of the game. WTF????
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Boyle couldn't get off this team fast enough. Embarrassing how much ice time gets. The fact that this coach sees potential in this guy is stupifyng
Boyle was used in a shut-down role against the Jagr line because Brian is one of the few forwards on the Rangers who can look at him eye-to-eye. He played well. Did that line score on the Rangers? No.

He is a shut-down forward. With Richards being beyond awful that leaves 3 centers on the roster who can play. ~20 minutes/player.

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05-22-2013, 07:53 AM
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It quite literally amazes me that this board can try to come up with so many excuses after a game like last night.

That was a game for the taking. No penalties against when there should've been several, Lundqvist playing great, a (rather lucky) 1-0 lead going into the 3rd....

You'd certainly be justified in complaining about whats hurting this team -- disgusting breakouts and no neutral zone speed and/or plan.

But lets call a spade a spade. Here, say it with me, because the truth shall set you free: "THE BOSTON BRUINS ARE A BETTER HOCKEY TEAM THAN THE NEW YORK RANGERS."

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05-22-2013, 08:05 AM
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I like Torts a lot, but lets be honest. We have arguably the best goalie in the league stealing wins because of lack of offensive support. We have a pedigree offensive talent in Nash who is limited because of the system of dump and chase and grind. We lost a pedigree offensive talent in Gaborik because he didn't fit the mold of the system. Other teams have easily figured out how to combat our system and choke out or production offensively. Our PP is abysmal and has been for years. The way the team is playing they don't deserve to win this year. Sullivan needs to be taken off of the PP coaching and quite honestly, I think the team needs a new philosophy because they obviously stopped buying into "system" and star players need to be built around, not forced to play a style that isn't conducive to them producing.

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If that were remotely true, we would always be blown out by them.

And your Staal hating is still laughable.
If not for henke last night we would have been blown out and that would have been back to back craptastic results

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If not for henke last night we would have been blown out and that would have been back to back craptastic results
If not for Hank, this team doesn't sniff the playoffs most likely. They most definitely do not make it out of the 1st round.

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I have been a torts supporter thru and thru but what I see now is ken hitchcock in his columbus days: a coach set in his ways and unwilling to adapt. Hitch realized he needed to adapt and spoke openly about that when he was hired by the blues. If torts is not willing to adapt than I am shifting to the side that changes need to be made. He and sully are cut from the same mold which is proving problematic.

And for a staff that preaches the need and value to be able to defend this team is actually very poor defensively, and is terribly dependant on its goalie.

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The above post gets it.

If we don't have the best goalie on Earth, we probably only make the playoffs last year.

He needs to go ASAP. How anyone can not see that, at this point, is mind-boggling. And I am/was a HUGE Torts fan.

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Boyle was used in a shut-down role against the Jagr line because Brian is one of the few forwards on the Rangers who can look at him eye-to-eye. He played well. Did that line score on the Rangers? No.

He is a shut-down forward. With Richards being beyond awful that leaves 3 centers on the roster who can play. ~20 minutes/player.
The only thing he shuts down is our ability to score. Did you watch the game? The line with Jagr on it dominated the game; in our zone. Jagr looked really old against the Leafs because their forwards can skate. Hank made numerous unbelievable saves against that group. Right now we have two players healthy who have shut down ability; McD and Danny G (although you wouldn't know it watching this series). This myth that somehow Brian the sloth Boyle is a shut down forward is hilarious and misguided. Stepan is a better defensive center. the fact that Boyle is on our third line contributes mightily to our poor play and low scoring totals. He is not alone in his ineptitude; don't get me wrong. And as always my beef is with Torts for misusing this guy. He is playing his heart out. Unfortunately the tool bag is pretty empty. 4th liner.

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