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05-16-2005, 09:31 PM
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Which Current NHL Players Will Be In The Hall of Fame

Which current NHL players (current being those that played in 03/04) will (or could) make the Hockey Hall of Fame?

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Stevie Yzerman, and Burnaby Joe are locks. Jagr will make it, Brian Leetch, Scott Stevens, Brett Hull, Ron Francis. This is off the top of my head.

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Stevie Y, Brett Hull, Scott Stevens and Marty Brodeur immediately come to mind for me.

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Luc Robitaille.

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Yzerman
Lidstrom
Brodeur
Sakic
Francis
Belfour
Leetch
Jagr
Hull
Stevens
Chelios

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if everyone retired today, off the top of my head these would be the locks (hopefully I don't forget anyone too important):

Jagr
Sakic
Hull
Fancis
MacInnis
Chelios
Leetch
Oates
Belfour
Hasek
Brodeur
Lidstrom
Yzerman
Robitaille
Messier
Stevens

guys who i've seen a case made for either way:

Shanahan
Sundin
Modano
Fedorov
Forsberg
Lindros
Recchi
Andreychuk
Nieuwendyk
Damphousse

once again, hopefully there's no glaring ommissions


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Messier?

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Messier?
who?

lol, damnit, how did i miss the most obvious one of them all?

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I'd say Fedorov would be a shoe in.

He is the poster boy and pioneer in the Russian NHL movement. He has had the biggest impact of any Russian player in terms of career statistics. He might get in on stats alone but the significance of his career is more important than the goals and assists.

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I believe this has been posted elsewhere on these boards repeatedly. I won't go into convoluted explanations for my picks, rather will list them, and if there are any controversies, will explain from there using facts:

*Sakic
*Forsberg
*Larionov (now retired)
*Stevens
*Brodeur
*Jagr
*Leetch
*Nieuwendyk
*Messier
*Yzerman
*Shanahan
*Hull
*Chelios
*Hasek
*Lidstrom
*Tkachuk
*Francis
*Belfour
*Robitaille
*Oates
*MacInnis

There are others, such as Sundin, Lindros, Niedermayer, Pronger and Fedorov, who I could give support to, but would need two or three more seasons in the league's elite for that to happen. Others, such as Naslund, Iginla and Kariya, would need at least five more seasons for me to offer support. Guys like Modano, Roenick, Andreychuk, Turgeon, Recchi and Damphousse have had great careers, but not HHOF to this point, and I don't see returning to the league's elite.

As for this year's inductions, I don't see any of the first-time guys getting in. Vernon, Verbeek, Tocchet and Suter "headline" this year's class, and of those four, only Vernon is HHOF-calibre, in my opinion. I see Makarov and Mark Howe getting in, and possibly one more guy from the myriad of "many times passed over" candidates.

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Originally Posted by God Bless Canada
I believe this has been posted elsewhere on these boards repeatedly. I won't go into convoluted explanations for my picks, rather will list them, and if there are any controversies, will explain from there using facts:

*Sakic
*Forsberg
*Larionov (now retired)
*Stevens
*Brodeur
*Jagr
*Leetch
*Nieuwendyk
*Messier
*Yzerman
*Shanahan
*Hull
*Chelios
*Hasek
*Lidstrom
*Tkachuk
*Francis
*Belfour
*Robitaille
*Oates
*MacInnis

There are others, such as Sundin, Lindros, Niedermayer, Pronger and Fedorov, who I could give support to, but would need two or three more seasons in the league's elite for that to happen. Others, such as Naslund, Iginla and Kariya, would need at least five more seasons for me to offer support. Guys like Modano, Roenick, Andreychuk, Turgeon, Recchi and Damphousse have had great careers, but not HHOF to this point, and I don't see returning to the league's elite.

As for this year's inductions, I don't see any of the first-time guys getting in. Vernon, Verbeek, Tocchet and Suter "headline" this year's class, and of those four, only Vernon is HHOF-calibre, in my opinion. I see Makarov and Mark Howe getting in, and possibly one more guy from the myriad of "many times passed over" candidates.
Tkachuk seems wildly out of place to me. I see nothing in his resume to put him above Fedorov, Sundin, Modano, Lindros, Recchi, Roenick, Andreychuk, and just about everyone else mentioned. In fact, i'd have him well below all of them.

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I've always held Tkachuk the player (not the person) in very high esteem. He has been a dominant power forward for a decade. Likely the second best LW in the game, year-in, year-out, behind only Shanahan, starting in about 1992 or 1993. Since his rookie year, he's been a point-per-game player in a defensive era, while playing a punishing, physical game. If not for injuries, we're talking about an 8-time 40 goal scorer and a guy with five or six 90-point seasons. If he doesn't get in, it will be because his spotty health record held him back, much like Nieuwendyk.

As a player, I'd take Tkachuk in his prime over Roenick, and definitely over Modano.

Out of my list, he and Nieuwendyk are probably the most borderline guys. I think if they could have stayed healthy, they would be locks, because unlike, say, Lindros, they've been hungry in the later years of their careers.

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I've always held Tkachuk the player (not the person) in very high esteem. He has been a dominant power forward for a decade. Likely the second best LW in the game, year-in, year-out, behind only Shanahan, starting in about 1992 or 1993. Since his rookie year, he's been a point-per-game player in a defensive era, while playing a punishing, physical game. If not for injuries, we're talking about an 8-time 40 goal scorer and a guy with five or six 90-point seasons. If he doesn't get in, it will be because his spotty health record held him back, much like Nieuwendyk.

As a player, I'd take Tkachuk in his prime over Roenick, and definitely over Modano.

Out of my list, he and Nieuwendyk are probably the most borderline guys. I think if they could have stayed healthy, they would be locks, because unlike, say, Lindros, they've been hungry in the later years of their careers.
I see what you're saying, but when it comes to a primarily offensive player, it's going to be aweful hard to get in with 830 or so points.

As for Lindros, I think he's always been hungry. Just lately he's been falling apart. He's clearly not the player he was, but he's still a competitor. In my mind Lindros was the best forward in the game in the game from 1994 or so untill 2000 (behind Jagr). During the span you mentioned, he has a much better PPG than Tkachuk, and an MVP award. If Tkachuk gets in for the reasons you mentioned, then I think Lindros HAS to get in.

Personally, I would also take guys who have been consistantly great their whole careers (Modano, Sundin, Recchi) over Tkachuk as well. I'm not necessarily saying any should make the hall, but just that I would put them in ahead of Tkachuk. There's a lot of what-if's and injury concerns, but sometimes I think people underappreciate a guy who can produce year in and year out and play every game

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uh... Mario Lemieux?

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uh... Mario Lemieux?
he's already in

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Tkachuk has been consistently great. With the exception of one injury-plagued year (1999-2000), he has been consistently near a PPG level since his rookie year. He's been the second best all-round LW over the past decade, after Shanahan. He appeared on a lot of lists of the top 10 players in the game from about 1996 through to 2000. And he's not just a primarily offensive player - he's as feared for his physical play and strength as he is for his offensive acumen. Those 200-PIM seasons are witness of that.

Lindros hasn't done a damn thing since he was 25. He's gun shy. He shows none of the same fire or passion that he used to. He looks more like a guy looking for a games played bonus, than the dominant player he used to be. A guy with Eric's skill, even in today's NHL, should be good for 90-100 points. Scored 53 points in 2003, and a 65-point pace in 2004. And the name Lindros doesn't intimidate people physically anymore, either.

In hindsight, maybe Tkachuk does belong more in the class with Lindros, Pronger et al, of guys who need two to three more years of greatness before they deserve consideration. But I like Tkachuk's chances of reaching those season more than the Big E, based on the way they've performed over the past five seasons.

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Tkachuk has been consistently great. With the exception of one injury-plagued year (1999-2000), he has been consistently near a PPG level since his rookie year. He's been the second best all-round LW over the past decade, after Shanahan. He appeared on a lot of lists of the top 10 players in the game from about 1996 through to 2000. And he's not just a primarily offensive player - he's as feared for his physical play and strength as he is for his offensive acumen. Those 200-PIM seasons are witness of that.

Lindros hasn't done a damn thing since he was 25. He's gun shy. He shows none of the same fire or passion that he used to. He looks more like a guy looking for a games played bonus, than the dominant player he used to be. A guy with Eric's skill, even in today's NHL, should be good for 90-100 points. Scored 53 points in 2003, and a 65-point pace in 2004. And the name Lindros doesn't intimidate people physically anymore, either.

In hindsight, maybe Tkachuk does belong more in the class with Lindros, Pronger et al, of guys who need two to three more years of greatness before they deserve consideration. But I like Tkachuk's chances of reaching those season more than the Big E, based on the way they've performed over the past five seasons.
I have no doubt Tkachuk will outproduce Lindros over the next couple seasons, but Lindros at his peak was on a whole different level than Tkachuk, which I think counts for more in a case like this where we're comparing two guys with similar point totals and injury-plagued careers

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The HHOF is at some point going to have to induct more European players who played before the influx in the 90's (much like baseball had to do with the negro leagues and will at some point have to for Japanese players), Tretiak is the only one who has got credit so far. I just hope it isn't a joke like the NBA's euro wing.

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Fetisov is in mostly because of his international accomplishments. He'd be in regardless of whether he played in the NHL, as his NHL performance was nowhere near as strong as in the Soviet league. Larionov will get in. Makarov's my best bet for induction this year.

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Fetisov is in mostly because of his international accomplishments. He'd be in regardless of whether he played in the NHL, as his NHL performance was nowhere near as strong as in the Soviet league. Larionov will get in. Makarov's my best bet for induction this year.
fer sure - federov 2

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Locks:
Yzerman
Sakic
MacInnis
Brodeur
Hasek
Lidstrom
Francis
Larionov

Maybe:
Andreychuk
Sundin
Forsberg
Modano
Fedorov
Belfour
Oates

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I have no doubt Tkachuk will outproduce Lindros over the next couple seasons, but Lindros at his peak was on a whole different level than Tkachuk, which I think counts for more in a case like this where we're comparing two guys with similar point totals and injury-plagued careers
I agree. At one point you could say Lindros was the best player on the planet. You could never say that about Tkachuk.

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Locks:
Yzerman
Sakic
MacInnis
Brodeur
Hasek
Lidstrom
Francis
Larionov

Maybe:
Andreychuk
Sundin
Forsberg
Modano
Fedorov
Belfour
Oates
I'll add Shanahan (1151 points, 2273 Pims, +124), Robitiallie (1370 points, 653 goals, +78), Stevens (908 points, 2785 Pims, +393) and Messier (Mark not Eric: 1887 points, 1193 assists, 694 goals) to that list of "Locks."

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Yeah to me Tkachuk is going to have lot do a lot more for me than what he has done to get into the Hall. You could argue Leclair could be in ahead of him and I wouldnt have Leclair on that list either. As for Andreychuk I dont like the idea of him being in the Hall of Fame. Yeah his 600+ goals are nice but if Dino Ciccarelli isnt in there yet then how in the world could Andreychuk get in? Ask yourself this: Was Andreychuk EVER one of the top 20 players in the game? Even in '93? No. The answer is no. I like him but we're talking great players here people!

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For me, Fedorov should be in for sure. First Russian to do many things.

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