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10-03-2013, 05:39 PM
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Beaulieu is a better skater than Subban. Beaulieu has absolutely ridiculous skating.
Really? I respectfully disagree. I prefer Subban's agility and seems to be a stronger skater to me.

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10-03-2013, 05:50 PM
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Errr Subban has that pretty easily. Then Markov. He'd probably #3 or #4 in skating.
Markov? I think Beaulieu could beat Subban in a straight line, Beaulieu has a great skating stride. I honestly think he's a better skater than Subban, this is only my opinion. I doubt Beaulieu will ever be the all-around player Subban is though.

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10-03-2013, 05:52 PM
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Markov? I think Beaulieu could beat Subban in a straight line, Beaulieu has a great skating stride. I honestly think he's a better skater than Subban, this is only my opinion. I doubt Beaulieu will ever be the all-around player Subban is though.
OK maybe I'm living a little in the past with Markov. Perhaps if you're looking at straight line, but I'm taking into account for agility, speed, strength on skates, etc.

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10-03-2013, 05:54 PM
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OK maybe I'm living a little in the past with Markov. Perhaps if you're looking at straight line, but I'm taking into account for agility, speed, strength on skates, etc.
Strength on skates Subban definitely wins, he has some incredible lower body strength. I doubt Beaulieu ever becomes the all around player Subban is, but I think his skating is better.

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10-03-2013, 05:57 PM
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Strength on skates Subban definitely wins, he has some incredible lower body strength. I doubt Beaulieu ever becomes the all around player Subban is, but I think his skating is better.
Yeah, I doubt he'll ever turn out as good as Subban either. I guess we'll agree to disagree. It's not like one is far better than the other. There are just aspects of Subban's skating I prefer. Also, I'm a little biased seeing as Subban is my favourite player in the entire NHL, closely followed by Couture.

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Man I'm really tired tonight, basically said the exact same thing in both of my posts....

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10-03-2013, 06:06 PM
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I've been a Price fan, defender and supporter for his entire career but something dawned on me the other day when I was doing my fantasy draft... I avoided him. He's just not a low GAA, high sv% goalie. He lets in a lot of freaking goals.

He's had a bunch of coaches and a bunch of systems in front of him, defensive and offensive... and we've made the playoffs enough times to be considered (on average) at least middle-of-the-pack from ~06-13... he hasn't really had average stats, he's been below average.

And his contract does no favors.

I'm sorry guys, I'll rail the defense and the coach before I rail on Price but I'm not going to keep banking on his "potential". He's just entering his "goalie prime" but a lot of eyes are on him and they should be, we as a fanbase should wake up and be critical about his performances. Be fair, of course, but critical.

He was good in the first period but some of those other goals were not impossible to save. He's our best paid player, he should play like it.

/off the kool-aid

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10-03-2013, 06:49 PM
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I've been a Price fan, defender and supporter for his entire career but something dawned on me the other day when I was doing my fantasy draft... I avoided him. He's just not a low GAA, high sv% goalie. He lets in a lot of freaking goals.

He's had a bunch of coaches and a bunch of systems in front of him, defensive and offensive... and we've made the playoffs enough times to be considered (on average) at least middle-of-the-pack from ~06-13... he hasn't really had average stats, he's been below average.

And his contract does no favors.

I'm sorry guys, I'll rail the defense and the coach before I rail on Price but I'm not going to keep banking on his "potential". He's just entering his "goalie prime" but a lot of eyes are on him and they should be, we as a fanbase should wake up and be critical about his performances. Be fair, of course, but critical.

He was good in the first period but some of those other goals were not impossible to save. He's our best paid player, he should play like it.

/off the kool-aid
Just to remind you, some of his saves were virtually impossible to stop.

I suspect he will have a great season, mostly by the benefit of a new coach.

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10-03-2013, 08:15 PM
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Pekka Rinne... 3 goals in 6 shots

OMG TRADE HIM FOR SCRUBSSSSS

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Pekka Rinne... 3 goals in 6 shots

OMG TRADE HIM FOR SCRUBSSSSS
For a guy getting paid almost 7M$, he should make those save. I don't know how the goals were scores but I look at his salary and expect him to always play like a 7M$ goalie, so basically stopping every puck.

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Beaulieu is a better skater than Subban. Beaulieu has absolutely ridiculous skating.
Really?

I haven't seen much of this guy. He's a better skater than Subban is?

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10-03-2013, 09:16 PM
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For a guy getting paid almost 7M$, he should make those save. I don't know how the goals were scores but I look at his salary and expect him to always play like a 7M$ goalie, so basically stopping every puck.
First of all, Rinne is overpaid. Second of all, despite his overpaid contract, he's a statistical beast. If you had to chose a goalie for the month of October, knowing what you know now, you'd choose Rinne.

And that's my point.

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10-03-2013, 09:19 PM
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I've been a Price fan, defender and supporter for his entire career but something dawned on me the other day when I was doing my fantasy draft... I avoided him. He's just not a low GAA, high sv% goalie. He lets in a lot of freaking goals.

He's had a bunch of coaches and a bunch of systems in front of him, defensive and offensive... and we've made the playoffs enough times to be considered (on average) at least middle-of-the-pack from ~06-13... he hasn't really had average stats, he's been below average.

And his contract does no favors.

I'm sorry guys, I'll rail the defense and the coach before I rail on Price but I'm not going to keep banking on his "potential". He's just entering his "goalie prime" but a lot of eyes are on him and they should be, we as a fanbase should wake up and be critical about his performances. Be fair, of course, but critical.

He was good in the first period but some of those other goals were not impossible to save. He's our best paid player, he should play like it.

/off the kool-aid
Fantasy Hockey's a different bird. I think that his stats aren't going to be good but I think that has more to do with the D than Price. I'm not expecting a good statistical year from him.

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10-03-2013, 09:23 PM
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Fantasy Hockey's a different bird. I think that his stats aren't going to be good but I think that has more to do with the D than Price. I'm not expecting a good statistical year from him.
Next game against Philly - do you put Price in (behind this terrible defense and coach) or Rinne (behind the same circumstances)? Be honest.

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10-03-2013, 09:27 PM
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Next game against Philly - do you put Price in (behind this terrible defense and coach) or Rinne (behind the same circumstances)? Be honest.
Well based on TODAY....Price. Hutton is doing better than Rinne tonight and if your question is...who the hell is Hutton...well you answered your own question.

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10-03-2013, 09:30 PM
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Next game against Philly - do you put Price in (behind this terrible defense and coach) or Rinne (behind the same circumstances)? Be honest.
Same circumstances? As in Price is playing behind Shea Weber?

Honestly? I'd take Price. Rinne doesn't seem the same after his surgery. I avoided him in fantasy leagues this year.

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10-03-2013, 09:32 PM
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Same circumstances? As in Price is playing behind Shea Weber?

Honestly? I'd take Price. Rinne doesn't seem the same after his surgery. I avoided him in fantasy leagues this year.
Just one game...by adding it to last year, geez, that looks bad for Rinne. I mean, I'm all for the league to suddenly be scoring a lot...that would mean that giving 3 goals per game isn't that bad after all...

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10-03-2013, 09:46 PM
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Just one game...by adding it to last year, geez, that looks bad for Rinne. I mean, I'm all for the league to suddenly be scoring a lot...that would mean that giving 3 goals per game isn't that bad after all...
Rinne has been awesome in this league for years. Right NOW though, he scares me a little because of that surgery. Last season he lost Suter and had a poor season. Was it because Suter wasn't there or was it because of the surgery? My guess is probably the latter. I just don't trust that guy this year. I'd definitely draft him ahead of Price in my fantasy league but I'd take Price (and others over him that I usually wouldn't.)

That's just my opinion. Maybe he'll be fine and have another great year. He's the only goalie who's played more games than Price has in recent years and he's had great numbers. So all due respect to Rinne, I don't trust his health.

Is he having a bad game tonight?

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10-03-2013, 09:51 PM
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Really?

I haven't seen much of this guy. He's a better skater than Subban is?
I would say that Subban is simply stronger on his edges, and maybe faster in more open ice or on wider arcs where he can use the wider stance and more powerful legs. I would say Beaulieu is actually more agile, and I think covers ground a bit better from a stand still in a random direction, though. It's weird, because one thing I judge as "fundamental" is that first step, and funny enough I don't see much difference in the two "in effect".

I suspect, if I watched more of them on the same stage, is that what I'm seeing is Beaulieu reading and reacting a bit quicker, meaning Subban's first step is actually powerful/quick enough to disguise a slightly slower read/reaction. I'd really like to see a head-to-head race, or races against the same players at different times, to get a better judge on their top ends.

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Rinne is one of the goalie who lost the most padding.

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For a guy getting paid almost 7M$, he should make those save. I don't know how the goals were scores but I look at his salary and expect him to always play like a 7M$ goalie, so basically stopping every puck.
When a goalie is consistently good, you can excuse the odd bad game. Rinne gets a pass.

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10-03-2013, 10:05 PM
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Next game against Philly - do you put Price in (behind this terrible defense and coach) or Rinne (behind the same circumstances)? Be honest.
Now the coach is bad?

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When a goalie is consistently good, you can excuse the odd bad game. Rinne gets a pass.
You give him a pass on last year too? Unlike Price he seemed to have a rough year all the way through.

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10-03-2013, 10:14 PM
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You give him a pass on last year too? Unlike Price he seemed to have a rough year all the way through.
Why does Rinne need a "pass" for last year?

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I don't agree with comparisons between Price and Rinne. The Nashville Predators are a team built on playing in their own end. They are a team made for the defensive game. The Habs are almost the opposite. We are a more offensive-oriented team; a good transition team built with great offensive depth and made for sustained puck-pressure.

Our defense is strong in the offensive end, but can be a liability in our own end. The goalies just don't have the same situations. I honestly think Price could have outstanding stats with a team like Nashville ahead of him. But goalie stats don't win hockey games.

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