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05-18-2005, 09:37 AM
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Trade Zidlicky for a center?

Is the time right for us to trade Zidlicky for a top line center? I'm still not sure Legwand is ready for the job, besides I really like him with Erat. We need someone between Walker and Sullivan....

Who could we get and would you make a deal involving Zidlicky right now?

I would. I think Hamhuis could step into Zidlicy's role with Timonen and Suter can step into the role Hamhuis played last season.

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We are pretty deep in the "D" aren't we? He'd get a better return than Hutchinson, but I think I would have to package Hutchinson first. But I just like Marek. If no one bit on Hutch, then put Z on the table and see who we can get.

Just out of curiosity, who were you thinking about picking up for Z?

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Yes. It's definitly the time to trade Zidlicky for a offensive center. But who.. that the question...

Florida avec 3 good young center : Horton, Weiss and Jokinen. What about Weiss for Zidlicky ? Weiss will be pretty good with Walker !

Or only sign Allison cheap.

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I have no idea on who we could get, their are lots I would want and Zidlicky should bring in a nice return.

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If/When the new CBA is signed, don't you believe that there will be quite the choice of free agents available for hire at a much better price than previous years? Personally I feel that since Nashville still has the payroll in which to expand its roster that that makes more sense than losing a defenseman than can defenitely score by way of trade. If and only if you can't pick up a free agent do you look to package a trade.

As for Hamhuis, he has a much better defensive game, with offensive upside, than Zid's but a different type of player nonetheless. Zid's (please forgive the reference) has more of an *elmore quality to him. The biggest difference between *elmore and Zid's is that Zid's is sneakier with his shot selection and has better setup skills. His small stature allows him more freedom to float around without being blatantly obvious. *elmore had a twisted wrister and slapshot that everyone could see coming not to mention the hulking frame that looked slow.

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Delmore didn't just look slow, he was slow. He also had not a clue in his own end, couldn't handle the puck without turning it over and had no offensive creativity.

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Delmore didn't just look slow, he was slow. He also had not a clue in his own end, couldn't handle the puck without turning it over and had no offensive creativity.
I sit in Section 201 and it pained me to watch him

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I have no idea on who we could get, their are lots I would want and Zidlicky should bring in a nice return.
Who would you want?

Would Jeff Carter be along the lines of what you wanted (an unproven at the NHL level prospect who has great potential)? Or would you want to trade Z for a 'proven' center like Joe Thornton or Vincent Lecavalier?


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Who would you want?

Would Jeff Carter be along the lines of what you wanted (an unproven at the NHL level prospect who has great potential)? Or would you want to trade Z for a 'proven' center like Joe Thornton or Vincent Lecavalier?

I suggest you keep those proposals off the main boards, because I don't know how I'd come in and back you up on those

At any rate, I think, as Miikka said, there'll be a substantial amount of free agents available. If we could get a guy like Jason Allison at an "injury risk discount," it seems like a decent gamble. Who knows what a guy like Demitra would want...Amonte could be a low-risk, high-reward signing. There's no need to lose Zidlicky to get our center. Timonen gets a lot of the credit on the power play...but I think Zids and Timonen bring out the best in EACH OTHER.

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Maybe a young center ala Riberio for Zidlicky straight up... seems fair.

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I suggest you keep those proposals off the main boards, because I don't know how I'd come in and back you up on those
LOL! I wasn't suggesting anything really. Just trying to get what Trig to say what he was thinking about is all. I don't know what any of those guys would be worth to us or their teams. For instance, maybe Philadelphia is quite happy with the defensive squad they have and wouldn't bite at any offer for Zidlicky.


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At any rate, I think, as Miikka said, there'll be a substantial amount of free agents available. If we could get a guy like Jason Allison at an "injury risk discount," it seems like a decent gamble. Who knows what a guy like Demitra would want...Amonte could be a low-risk, high-reward signing. There's no need to lose Zidlicky to get our center. Timonen gets a lot of the credit on the power play...but I think Zids and Timonen bring out the best in EACH OTHER.
I think Mikka is spot on, personally, and I wouldn't be too pleased (right away) with any trade involving Zidlicky. I couldn't believe we traded Skrastins... but in hindsight it was a wise move I think.

I couldn't agree more about Z and Timonen complimenting each other. If you think Z is not an added help on the PP, look how we fared in the playoffs when he got injured...

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Maybe a young center ala Riberio for Zidlicky straight up... seems fair.
I should think Montreal would be pretty pleased with Sheldon Souray...

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Yes getting a free agent would be the better route but it's not as fun as trade proposals.

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Would you take Bryan Smolinski or Todd White for Zidlicky?

I think some of the other guys mentioned in this thread are out of the question like Jeff Carter, Robeiro, Handzus, Thornton or Lecavalier, you must be kidding for Zidlicky?

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Would you take Bryan Smolinski or Todd White for Zidlicky?

I think some of the other guys mentioned in this thread are out of the question like Jeff Carter, Robeiro, Handzus, Thornton or Lecavalier, you must be kidding for Zidlicky?

If you are tossing out Smoke for Zids, then of course you are going to think asking for Carter is a joke. A mid-30's decent third line center for one of the best offensive Dmen in the league? The Preds could use Todd White, but I think Zids could pull more.

I think a Zids plus deal could land the likes of Carter. The plus couldn't be scrubs but would have to be something substantial, but it could get done provided Philly wants Zidlicky, which I'm not sure they do.

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Look at what Gonchar landed last year in a deal. Granted this was in an NHL that had teams that were established and had few options to get better. Zidlicky may not be worth as much on the market as Gonchar went for last year (a first and second round pick along with a stud defensive prospect in Shaone Morrison), but he is definitely one of the top 5 offensive defensemen in the league right now. He will command a lot. A first round pick should be the minimum to nab him, and since he will be in his final year of his contract.....a deadline deal is entirely possible. He will likely be expendable very soon in this organization, but, if we ever do deal him, his departure will definitely be felt on and off the PP....He is just so creative, and his defensive abilities are adaquete enough to warrant him 20 minutes a night.

Moving Zidlicky for a center would be the ideal decision, if he was to be traded. Still, looking at the upcoming draft - it is absolutely LOADED with great center prospects. In fact, something like 5-6 players in the ISS top 10 list are all centers. This is great news for us. Most teams need a defensemen, winger, etc., but our one true weakness in terms of the farm system and on ice team - is the center position. With so many options in the upcoming draft, I could see us getting a much better prospect at our draft position than we have in the past. Also, as others have already pointed out, I am very confident there will be many centers on the market when the NHL resumes. We should have more than enough flexibility to sign one, especially if Sullivan leaves.

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I wouldn't mind seeing us take a run at Jason Allison. Give him an incentive laced contract that gives him around 6 mil max, 2 mil min (I think that would be more than sufficient in a cap landscape). If there is a cap floor, then a deal like this could help us reach it without giving accross the board raises. It's a big move and risky, but Allison can be healthy. It's a roll of the dice but before this past season, he had gone 4 of the past 5 years without missing more than 10 games.

A Walker - Allison - Sullivan first line could be a great move for us.
Erat - Legwand - Hartnell gives us a second line.
Hall - Johnson - Orszagh...


Then, how about packaging Zids in a deal to move up and grab one of the top of the line centers available (assuming we are drafting around 15th).

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Would you take Stumpel and David Steckel for Zidlicky?

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Would you take Stumpel and David Steckel for Zidlicky?

I don't know much about Steckel beyond his size and the fact that he's American. Tell me more. Ditto with Stumpel's contract situation.

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I don't know much about Steckel beyond his size and the fact that he's American. Tell me more. Ditto with Stumpel's contract situation.
I'm not aware of Stumpel's contract at this time, but Steckel is a big center who is a project. It is said he turned the corner this season, finally. Should be in the AHL next year.

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why on earth would you trade him. Half the leauge will be unrestricted free agents. Go out and sign someone for a few peanuts.

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why on earth would you trade him. Half the leauge will be unrestricted free agents. Go out and sign someone for a few peanuts.

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If he can be had for peanuts in an open market, I'm not sure he's what we want.

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why on earth would you trade him. Half the leauge will be unrestricted free agents. Go out and sign someone for a few peanuts.

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Well, as trig said...realistically, of course.

but, trade proposals are a fun way to beat away the no-hockey malaise

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Would you take Bryan Smolinski or Todd White for Zidlicky?

I think some of the other guys mentioned in this thread are out of the question like Jeff Carter, Robeiro, Handzus, Thornton or Lecavalier, you must be kidding for Zidlicky?

I agree that Zidlicky alone isn't enough to land any of those guys except Ribeiro...whom I think is pretty close to equal value with Zids.

Both have had one great NHL season, though Zids is maybe a bit more proven, having been his team's best defenseman in both the world cup and world championship...as well as one of the best in Finland once again.

As mentioned, if Zids repeats his season from last year, which he should, he's easily a top 5 offensive d-man in the league..and at his contract, he's got oodles of value. not enough to land a top tier center like Vinny or Thornton...but probably enough to intrigue someone into a decent second - tier guy...someone in the ilk of Langkow, etc.

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First of all, I wouldn't exactly call Zidlicky "expendable." I seriously doubt that Hamhuis or Suter would be able to come in an immediately provide that offense that Zids is capable of. And to be honest, I doubt that they will ever have the offensive capabilities of Zid. That's not to say they won't have good offensive skills... it's just that Zid's offensive skils are close to tops in the league. The scary part is that I think he's even capable of more than what he did last year.

So, in short, I wouldn't call him "expendable." However, if we can get an impact player in return, we might be able to replace part of the void (with Hamhuis on the PP) and add an impact player in the process.

So, if we can get the right impact player, I am for it. There is also the possiblity that we could add a FA defenseman like Hamrlick or Rafalski or Scheinder or Zhitnik to replace part of the void. However, other teams are probably looking to do the same thing. But teams such as Phildelphia might have the cap room to do so.

The Zidlicky for Handzus deals temps me somewhat. I don't think Riberio would fit in at all with Nashville. Todd White would be a temp. solution.

I'm for making the deal bigger and getting a true impact center in return.

And I've also been supporting the idea of getting a center via free agency. There are going to be a lot of options available, and unlike previous years, the big-name teams likely won't have the cap room to bid on them. Some of the available centers-- Modano, Lindros, Arnott, Straka, Zhamnov, Allison, among others.


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