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06-10-2013, 12:19 AM
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As Brad Tolliver (hopefully I don't misspell that and get in trouble) has repeatedly said, the team needing to be better constructed and Ovechkin not being an adequate leader are not mutually exclusive. They can both be problems that need to be fixed. The criticism is also not based on just this year.
Notice how every time NBTW doesn't have a legitimate rebuttal to an argument, he automatically goes into "you don't know everything because you aren't in the game" mode. He must be GMGM.

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06-10-2013, 12:25 PM
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The criticism is largely based on the team not winning. It would disappear if the team won a Cup.

That combined with the lack of anywhere near complete information on the issue makes it a completely bollocks argument.

So if we just "win a Cup" all our problems will magically have been solved? Wish someone in the Caps management would have thought of something that brilliant.

Also, we don't need "complete" information to form a valid judgement on the things we do know for facts. One fact is, we have a history of completely shi^^ing the bed in game 7's, especially at home. In several series that are so competitive that they go to 7 games, we completely fail to show up for game 7. Why is that? Its certainly not talent disparity, or that would have surfaced in games 1-6. I'll let you speculate why two evenly matched teams come out for game 7 with completely different compete levels. Another fact is, after our most recent embarrassment, both our captain and our GMGM (two supposed leaders of the organization) publicly pointed to the refs as the primary reason we lost. That's a public fact, not something hidden in speculation.

Another fact not subject to debate is that the closest we ever got to the 3rd round, the HC benched Ovi for long stretches and almost continuously when we had a lead late. Halpy made some weak coverup for that fact by saying it was just "what the coach thought was best" and just a "personal choice" as if the Captain of the team being benched repeatedly during crunch time in the playoffs is not a sign of his leadership and trustworthiness, but merely a personal preference.

We don't need to be in the room to see and comment on public things that are clear signs of a lack of leadership. When the GM and Captain fail to take responsibility in public, its a clear and unmistakable sign that they don't feel the reason why they lost was because of their own performance. True leaders would never say that publicly, because they would never think that privately.

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Oilers remain keenly interested in D-man Paul Ranger. Ranger loved playing for Dallas Eakins and Eakins is a huge fan of Ranger....

Who?

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06-10-2013, 12:38 PM
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Oilers remain keenly interested in D-man Paul Ranger. Ranger loved playing for Dallas Eakins and Eakins is a huge fan of Ranger....

Who?
Did you start following hockey less than 4 years ago?

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06-10-2013, 12:47 PM
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Did you start following hockey less than 4 years ago?

http://www.rawcharge.com/2012/8/21/3...to-marlies-ahl
Yeah right, like anyone else here besides you knows who Paul Ranger is.

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06-10-2013, 12:51 PM
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For all the hype of Hunter's benchings of Ovi late with a lead, i believe he finished the year including playoffs, undefeated when leading after 2 periods.

A convenient fact to not overlook when talking about it

While some will argue it sent the wrong message, I think someone could argue that it sent the right message. To Ovi, and everyone else. You cherry pick and refuse to hustle back on defense, display poor defensive awareness, I will bench your ass.

I for one could see how that served as top motivation for every player. Make an example out of the captain. There are not many stronger messages to send to get a point across and it largely worked.

In that fateful game 7, we gave up an early goal and never really recovered, but we were in it, and only lost by 1 goal. Wow, I just remembered that "power play". Worst PP Ever.

Dale filled the leadership vacuum and it almost got us to the ECF.

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06-10-2013, 01:01 PM
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For all the hype of Hunter's benchings of Ovi late with a lead, i believe he finished the year including playoffs, undefeated when leading after 2 periods.

A convenient fact to not overlook when talking about it

While some will argue it sent the wrong message, I think someone could argue that it sent the right message. To Ovi, and everyone else. You cherry pick and refuse to hustle back on defense, display poor defensive awareness, I will bench your ass.

I for one could see how that served as top motivation for every player. Make an example out of the captain. There are not many stronger messages to send to get a point across and it largely worked.

In that fateful game 7, we gave up an early goal and never really recovered, but we were in it, and only lost by 1 goal. Wow, I just remembered that "power play". Worst PP Ever.

Dale filled the leadership vacuum and it almost got us to the ECF.
Yep, Dale Hunter = Leader. Ovi = not so much.

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06-10-2013, 01:07 PM
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Yeah right, like anyone else here besides you knows who Paul Ranger is.
Seriously? The Caps played the Lightning 6 times a year while Ranger was on the Bolts. He probably played close to 20 games against the Caps. He scored 31 points and averaged more than 25 minutes per game in 07-08. He took a fairly unusual leave of absence from the team 8 games into a season. It's not like he was Joe Schmo on the Panthers.

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06-10-2013, 01:08 PM
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Seriously? The Caps played the Lightning 6 times a year while Ranger was on the Bolts. He probably played close to 20 games against the Caps. He scored 31 points and averaged more than 25 minutes per game in 07-08. He took a fairly unusual leave of absence from the team 8 games into a season. It's not like he was Joe Schmo on the Panthers.

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I can't see that at work. Am I getting trolled?

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So if we just "win a Cup" all our problems will magically have been solved? Wish someone in the Caps management would have thought of something that brilliant.
Dave,

I've got a doctor that treats my back that way: if I would just get better.... my back wouldn't hurt.

See the logic there?

But after 6 years of suffering, taking 4 am hot showers, sleeping on the hard floor, I put my foot down and insisted on a specialist.

His finding: severe stenosis of the spine, osteoarthritis, and 2 sentences of other things I won't bother to print.

My basic doc ought to work for the Caps.

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I can't see that at work. Am I getting trolled?
Kinda? Sarcasm detector clip from the Simpsons. You're missing one of the many running "jokes" this board so loves.

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Kinda? Sarcasm detector clip from the Simpsons. You're missing one of the many running "jokes" this board so loves.
It must pre-date me. I don't get it.

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06-10-2013, 03:04 PM
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It must pre-date me. I don't get it.
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It must pre-date me. I don't get it.
Lib's not a troll, and I enjoy both yours and BT's opinions as well.

Frankly, this whole mini-war seems silly. Why not just offer a proverbial hand and stop behaving this way?

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06-10-2013, 03:12 PM
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I tend not to have time to read random posts involving other teams. Plus, I can't see that person's posts....

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I tend not to have time to read random posts involving other teams. Plus, I can't see that person's posts....
Well "that person" didn't know who Paul Ranger was.

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06-10-2013, 04:48 PM
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Josi got $4Mx7years from Nashville. You can bet that will be a reference point for Alzner's negotiations.

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Josi got $4Mx7years from Nashville. You can bet that will be a reference point for Alzner's negotiations.
McPhee knows it's right to sign Alzner. If it forces cutting some fat... maybe it's a blessing in disguise?

I'm all for paying Alzner as much as needed.

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06-11-2013, 11:45 AM
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Josi got $4Mx7years from Nashville. You can bet that will be a reference point for Alzner's negotiations.
You can bet the Caps will point to Alzner's 5 points vs. 18 for Josi and try to get that number down quite a bit. I think a better comp would be Smid at $3.5M, but he was going to be a UFA. I could see a number closer to $3M for Alzner on a longish term deal.

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In that fateful game 7, we gave up an early goal and never really recovered, but we were in it, and only lost by 1 goal. Wow, I just remembered that "power play". Worst PP Ever.

Dale filled the leadership vacuum and it almost got us to the ECF.

That PP was astonishing. Our team was so good against Boston and the Rags. And then they totally choked in front of the whole world. That, and Ted's choice to do nothing about it again, was the clincher for me. The Caps are on the road to nowhere.

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Well "that person" didn't know who Paul Ranger was.
I might take a flyer on Paul Ranger. Good +/- last year for the Marlies. But besides that, proven in the NHL with good FF% Fenwick. And he is LD. Sign him cheap to a two-way deal and if he can stay healthy then he will be right in there.

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I might take a flyer on Paul Ranger. Good +/- last year for the Marlies. But besides that, proven in the NHL with good FF% Fenwick. And he is LD. Sign him cheap to a two-way deal and if he can stay healthy then he will be right in there.
I've sort of had my fill of dumpster dives, though likely he'd be the only FA cheap enough for the Caps to sign Thanks for the good cap management George!

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06-11-2013, 05:14 PM
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Paul Ranger has significantly higher upside than a vast majority of McPhee dumpster dives. It seems that at least two other teams (Edmonton, Toronto) are interested in him, so it's unlikely he'll end up being as much of a dumpster dive as other players (and I doubt he signs a 2-way contract if he really wants to return to the NHL).

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Paul Ranger quit hockey, so he has a lot more in common with GMGM draft picks than dumpster dives.

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