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05-24-2013, 11:39 AM
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Luongo is going to get amnestied. Nobody is going to take his contract, especially if they have the possibility of signing him after he gets amnestied.
Only if nobody wants Schneider IMO.

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05-24-2013, 11:40 AM
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Oh, that's right. I forgot. Toronto no longer needs a starter. Don't forget the Leafs had that series won, until Reimer's collapse. Can you say 'Dan Cloutier'? Dave Nonis lived through Cloutier. Nonis realized he needs to upgrade at goalie, if his team is going to advance.
LOL...right, that was all on Reimer. Newsflash, that was a TEAM collapse. And whether you "forgot" or not you are at least correct, the leafs do not need Luongo. As far as Nonis realizing that he needed to upgrade Cloutier....just how old was Luongo when he made that deal? Did Luongo come attached to a boat anchor of a contract?

If you believe "Hockeywidow", Nonis wouldn't take Lu for 2 2nds and Scrivens, and that was before Reimer carried the Leafs to 7 games against the Bruins (stealing games 5 and 6 pretty much on his own). Why would he do it now?

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Could you see the Canucks trading Luongo to Philly for Coutourier or Simmonds and Bryzgalov? Then the Canucks are the ones who absord Bryzgalov's salary in a buy-out?
Is this guy serious?

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05-24-2013, 11:40 AM
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Luongo is not getting bought out enough with this crap. Easy solution to this is trade Luongo for a non cap asset, buyout Ballard and even possible Booth.
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What team would take that albatross contract? even if they do trade him and he agrees to retire in 3 years...the cap recapture kicks on and Vancouver gets hit because of the total money paid vs cap hit during his years of service and then have to take that hit.

Luongo will have to be the one that is bought out. The only way a team would be willing to take on a year of Longo's contract and then buy him out wiuld require them to get money from Vancouver to help pay for the buy out plus they will be asking for a few picks and prospects for this service.


What Vancouver needs to do:

1, buy out Luongo

2. Buy outh Booth/Ballard---trade the other. Buffalo likely near the cap floor if therade Vanek and Miller and dont retain salary. They would take one of the two and have them for next year then buy them out in 2014. for this service they will be asking for a pick or young player.

3. They need to Seriously consider trading Edler and Kesler for younger/cheaper players.

4. In resigning the Sedins, they need to ask them to take a pay cut of around 50%-60% of what they currently make which would free up enough space to sign/resign a quality UFA.


the other option...they buy out Booth/Ballard this year, trade Schneider and Edler...then go all in next year by making a deal for Vanek (50% cap hit) + pther rental players for next year.

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05-24-2013, 11:41 AM
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Only if nobody wants Schneider IMO.
Ill take Schneider anyday on Philly

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05-24-2013, 11:58 AM
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Ill take Schneider anyday on Philly
But what would you be willing to give up?

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Who says it would require several top prospects? I'd do it for one.
I'll be sorry for DiPietro when Wang buys him out. His body has just not been able to stay healthy and allow him to be a productive nhler.

Sometimes you make lousy signings or bad trades, then have to take a hit for them later. Isles will with DiPietro, Vancouver will Luongo.

It would be very ironic, if both end up bought out this summer.

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Luongo is not getting bought out enough with this crap. Easy solution to this is trade Luongo for a non cap asset, buyout Ballard and even possible Booth.
If you can . I say you will have to keep part of the cap hit , say 1.5 million . Luongo is worth what he is being paid . However at some point he will become an issue . Also if i am an owner i would rather eat part of his salary then buy him out . 1.5 million may not mean much in 2 years as the cap starts going up again

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Welsome to Fantasy Island.....

What team would take that albatross contract? even if they do trade him and he agrees to retire in 3 years...the cap recapture kicks on and Vancouver gets hit because of the total money paid vs cap hit during his years of service and then have to take that hit.

Luongo will have to be the one that is bought out. The only way a team would be willing to take on a year of Longo's contract and then buy him out wiuld require them to get money from Vancouver to help pay for the buy out plus they will be asking for a few picks and prospects for this service.


What Vancouver needs to do:

1, buy out Luongo

2. Buy outh Booth/Ballard---trade the other. Buffalo likely near the cap floor if therade Vanek and Miller and dont retain salary. They would take one of the two and have them for next year then buy them out in 2014. for this service they will be asking for a pick or young player.

3. They need to Seriously consider trading Edler and Kesler for younger/cheaper players.

4. In resigning the Sedins, they need to ask them to take a pay cut of around 50%-60% of what they currently make which would free up enough space to sign/resign a quality UFA.


the other option...they buy out Booth/Ballard this year, trade Schneider and Edler...then go all in next year by making a deal for Vanek (50% cap hit) + pther rental players for next year.
What utter BS. You make it sound like you have a inside scoop on Luongo's value to other teams, you don't know jack **** about his value to other GM's. What's going to be hilarious is when Luongo gets traded for a decent package fans of other team will turn your point of view around saying Vancouver didn't get enough for Luongo and reck on Gillis for it. Just like what some of you were doing with the AV firing.

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05-24-2013, 12:17 PM
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Why are Toronto fans so concerned about Vancouvers cap? Reminds me of a bunch of Vultures. I think the cap "issue" in Vancouver is less than many percieve it to be, stop obsessing so much, you will be disapointed.

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Tanev (also unlikely to sign).

A Luongo buyout seems like an easy solution but does ownership pay 34million (10% of franchise value)?
1) No way they let Tanev walk.. he won't command a huge payday...

2) Luongo won't be bought out. His cap hit is the 10th highest for goalies... far from crippling. Even the next 5 guys (10-15) are all within 800k of Luongos caphit.
(yes, long term blah blah blah, but the cap hit is extremely mangeable)

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Why are Toronto fans so concerned about Vancouvers cap? Reminds me of a bunch of Vultures. I think the cap "issue" in Vancouver is less than many percieve it to be, stop obsessing so much, you will be disapointed.
1. Toronto fans are NHL fans and there are lots of them
2. Vancouver is in an interesting cap situation (deny it all you want)
3. It's the summer

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05-24-2013, 12:21 PM
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But what would you be willing to give up?
If we didnt have a glaring need on defense, Id give up Couturier +. But Id rather trade Coots only for a similar defensemen (Kulikov). Not sure what else we could work out for Scheneider.

Brayden Schenn is a no go as is Simmonds.

Maybe Hartnell and Coburn and our first for Edler and Scheneider lol. No that wasnt serious. I know thats bad for Vancouver

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What utter BS. You make it sound like you have a inside scoop on Luongo's value to other teams, you don't know jack **** about his value to other GM's. What's going to be hilarious is when Luongo gets traded for a decent package fans of other team will turn your point of view around saying Vancouver didn't get enough for Luongo and reck on Gillis for it. Just like what some of you were doing with the AV firing.

He is not going to get that much in value---sorry to say.

The team will have to make an ageement with Vancouver if they buy him out in 2014 that Vancouver eats half of that payment.

If his contract were just 3 years left at $5M...no problem....Vancouver would get decent value in return.

If the league allowed a team to hold on to one of their buyouts until say 2016....no problem....Vancouver will get decent vakue in return.

But he has umpteen years left. If Luongo agreeds to retire after 3 years...then some teams would be willing to make an offer. But he could easily turn in a Favre or Hasek and just not want to go away.

Because of that risk teams arent bitting.

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Welsome to Fantasy Island.....

Luongo will have to be the one that is bought out.
Avatar bet?

Guarantee you he isn't bought out. If hes bought out, I will change my avatar/signature to something you determine, and vice-versa if he is bought out.


*My proposal would be changing your avatar to something Luongo based (I will determine later), and your signature would read "I do not understand player trade values and have no idea how players salaries/cap-hits work"


*Edit forgot hfboards doesnt do signatures

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1) No way they let Tanev walk.. he won't command a huge payday...

2) Luongo won't be bought out. His cap hit is the 10th highest for goalies... far from crippling. Even the next 5 guys (10-15) are all within 800k of Luongos caphit.
(yes, long term blah blah blah, but the cap hit is extremely mangeable)
The cap hit isnt the isue---its the length. If he doesnt get bought out in 2014 or retuires in 3 years the team that gets him are SOL

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How do Vancouver fans feel about a trade like this

Schneider
Edler

For

Hartnell
Coburn
1st in 13 (#11)

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Vancouver Sends:
Mason Raymond
3rd Rounder
+ Prospect

Florida Sends:
Quentin Howden
+Roster Player
Upshall, Scottie (Buyout)

Vancouver Buyout:
R. Luongo

Florida Signs:
R. Luongo


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Aquilini is not paying 10s of millions to buy out Luongo. This is real life, where money matters.

Schneider gets traded before that happens. If Schneider gets traded, Luongo will also get over his hurt feelings, and play to the best of his ability as a starter in Vancouver. That's what he gets paid many millions of dollars to do.

Trading Schneider could also bring back a very solid forward. Two birds, one stone.

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Why are Toronto fans so concerned about Vancouvers cap? Reminds me of a bunch of Vultures. I think the cap "issue" in Vancouver is less than many percieve it to be, stop obsessing so much, you will be disapointed.
Probably all stems from the last 12-15 months of Van fans being "concerned" about TO's goaltending and GM situation.

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Avatar bet?

Guarantee you he isn't bought out. If hes bought out, I will change my avatar/signature to something you determine, and vice-versa if he is bought out.


They could opt to keep him and then trade Schneider....My point is they arent going to be able to trade him to another team and get any sort of true value return for him.

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They could opt to keep him and then trade Schneider....My point is they arent going to be able to trade him to another team and get any sort of true value return for him.
So your not very confident he will be bought out it sounds like..

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How do Vancouver fans feel about a trade like this

Schneider
Edler

For

Hartnell
Coburn
1st in 13 (#11)

Do not see a situation where they would give up Edler and their top goaltender for an aging forward + solid defensive prospect.

Edler would be moved for someone like Bobby Ryan (and it's reported they don't plan on moving him)

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Aquilini is not paying 10s of millions to buy out Luongo. This is real life, where money matters.

Schneider gets traded before that happens. If Schneider gets traded, Luongo will also get over his hurt feelings, and play to the best of his ability as a starter in Vancouver. That's what he gets paid many millions of dollars to do.

Trading Schneider could also bring back a very solid forward. Two birds, one stone.
I 100% agree with you. The same thing can be said for Philly buying out Bryz.

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Do not see a situation where they would give up Edler and their top goaltender for an aging forward + solid defensive prospect.

Edler would be moved for someone like Bobby Ryan (and it's reported they don't plan on moving him)
Coburn is a more than solid player and not a prospect haha Im sure you just made a mistake on that. I see why Vancouver wouldnt do thT though. Im not great with proposals.

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