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06-18-2013, 02:35 PM
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Well, he took a team almost everybody here thought would lose in one of the first 2 rounds, to the SCF. So clearly he is getting the best out of his players. I mean, all of you thought these players were scrubs and we would never make it deep in the playoffs. Right?
So Bickell having a career playoffs, and Hammer playing out of his mind for the most part, along with Keith making a comeback while Crawford comes into his own is because of Q's coaching?

If so why wasn't Bickell on the PP?

The reason the Hawks have gone deep is not due to any strategy put in place by Q, if you disagree, name that strategy.

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06-18-2013, 02:42 PM
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The Fire Q movement became pointless the moment team came back vs Wings

That has bought Q 2-3 more years

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06-18-2013, 02:50 PM
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After what happened yesterday, it still alive and well.

even the press is starting to see the light

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Hawks' explanation of why Ben Smith didn't take the warm-up prior to playing last night in Game 3 doesn't add up. Doesn't pass smell test

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Check out that last link (http://*******/17W3ABc ) for the Sharp quote. Sure seems like it was more hectic than what Q said. #Blackhawks

Mark might lose his press pass over that.

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So Bickell having a career playoffs, and Hammer playing out of his mind for the most part, along with Keith making a comeback while Crawford comes into his own is because of Q's coaching?

If so why wasn't Bickell on the PP?

The reason the Hawks have gone deep is not due to any strategy put in place by Q, if you disagree, name that strategy.
Sharp was having an outstanding game 2 and I think he played 10 minutes in 2 periods. I mean it's just weird. Hard to really explain what's going through dingleberry's head

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After what happened yesterday, it still alive and well.

even the press is starting to see the light

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Hawks' explanation of why Ben Smith didn't take the warm-up prior to playing last night in Game 3 doesn't add up. Doesn't pass smell test

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Check out that last link (http://*******/17W3ABc ) for the Sharp quote. Sure seems like it was more hectic than what Q said. #Blackhawks

Mark might lose his press pass over that.

Not Q's fault. He was just reading the talking points that the ownership gave him

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06-18-2013, 09:22 PM
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Non-Hawks fan here (I come in peace)

I was wondering, what's with Quenneville's incessant line tinkering? It's like he's some kind of mad hockey scientist out there. Has he been doing this all season? Obviously, last night's experiment wasn't great, but if he does this all the time, I've got to assume that Quenneville usually gets positive results from all his lineup changes, right? Or were the Blackhawks so successful despite his constant line variations?

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06-18-2013, 09:29 PM
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Non-Hawks fan here (I come in peace)

I was wondering, what's with Quenneville's incessant line tinkering? It's like he's some kind of mad hockey scientist out there. Has he been doing this all season? Obviously, last night's experiment wasn't great, but if he does this all the time, I've got to assume that Quenneville usually gets positive results from all his lineup changes, right? Or were the Blackhawks so successful despite his constant line variations?
No he reeled back on it over the course of the season, and decided that players having familiarity was more important then constantly micromanaging each person. He started to revert to it more and more into the playoffs and now we've gone full Q'tard. It seems like he just over thinks himself and the players end up paying for it. As for positive results, it varies. I would say most positive lineup changes that Q makes can actually be more attributed to doing things that some people would say should have been obvious. Moving Kane to Toews wing won the LA series, but now he doesn't want them together because of Chara. Some would say just go toe to toe and let the depth decide it.

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06-18-2013, 09:43 PM
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No he reeled back on it over the course of the season, and decided that players having familiarity was more important then constantly micromanaging each person. He started to revert to it more and more into the playoffs and now we've gone full Q'tard. It seems like he just over thinks himself and the players end up paying for it. As for positive results, it varies. I would say most positive lineup changes that Q makes can actually be more attributed to doing things that some people would say should have been obvious. Moving Kane to Toews wing won the LA series, but now he doesn't want them together because of Chara. Some would say just go toe to toe and let the depth decide it.
Yeah, watching Game 5 vs. the Kings, Toews and Kane were clicking and had obvious chemistry. It's definitely perplexing why Q hasn't played them together more.

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Non-Hawks fan here (I come in peace)

I was wondering, what's with Quenneville's incessant line tinkering? It's like he's some kind of mad hockey scientist out there. Has he been doing this all season? Obviously, last night's experiment wasn't great, but if he does this all the time, I've got to assume that Quenneville usually gets positive results from all his lineup changes, right? Or were the Blackhawks so successful despite his constant line variations?
Not to this degree. Barring injury to Hossa in the regular season, Frolik has been for the vast majority of the season the fourth line right winger. Kruger has been for the vast majority of the season the fourth line center. Carcillo and Bollig have been the fourth line left wingers. During the regular season, the third line was Bickell - Shaw - Stalberg (left to right).

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06-18-2013, 09:50 PM
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Yeah, watching Game 5 vs. the Kings, Toews and Kane were clicking and had obvious chemistry. It's definitely perplexing why Q hasn't played them together more.
Chicago Blackhawks regular season lines:

Saad - Toews - Hossa
Sharp - Bolland - Kane
Bickell - Shaw - Stalberg
Bollig - Kruger - Frolik
Carcillo (4th line left wing backup)
Mayers (roster dead weight)

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06-18-2013, 10:21 PM
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Chicago Blackhawks regular season lines:

Saad - Toews - Hossa
Sharp - Bolland - Kane
Bickell - Shaw - Stalberg
Bollig - Kruger - Frolik
Carcillo (4th line left wing backup)
Mayers (roster dead weight)
You forgot Zeus which shifted Bollig to the press box

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You forgot Zeus which shifted Bollig to the press box
Zeus was a trade deadline acquisition. I stated the Chicago Blackhawks forward lines for the vast majority of the season.

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06-18-2013, 10:29 PM
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You forgot Zeus which shifted Bollig to the press box
As far as Zeus goes, if he can't even win one faceoff, it's lampshade time.

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Well, he took a team almost everybody here thought would lose in one of the first 2 rounds, to the SCF. So clearly he is getting the best out of his players. I mean, all of you thought these players were scrubs and we would never make it deep in the playoffs. Right?
I'll be completely honest - I think he has gotten lucky this year. The Wild were not a playoff team. Had the regular season gone one more week they would have missed the playoffs. Entire second line plus starting goaltender down, and backup goalie hurt. The Wings came in healthy, but not particularly impressive with Lidstrom gone; we needed seven games and OT to beat them. The Kings had a better team than us, but Brown was playing on a torn PCL, Kopitar wasn't even close to 100%, we knocked Richards out of the playoffs, and Doughty was banged up too, and most of all Quick pooped the bed.

So far the Bruins have looked stronger in every respect. Their second line is so far better than ours its embarrassing thanks to the inclusion of the worthless slug Handzus, the "faceoff specialist" who managed to lose every single faceoff in game 3, and they can sit whoever they want all the time on our first line. Bickell was exposed as playing over his head and beyond his skill and the depth scoring has dried up. Even more disturbing is the way our defense is bailing out of plays rather than taking the hit, leading to rushed passes, stupid decisions, and giveaways.

If the Hawks lose this in the next couple games, its hard not to come to the conclusion they had a milk run to the finals and only then faced a quality team... and came up way short.

If they turn it around, then some of that might go away.

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06-18-2013, 11:18 PM
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Joel Quenneville is an imbecile.

A wonderful breakdown:

http://thecommittedindian.com/you-ta...ares/#comments

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06-19-2013, 12:52 AM
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cry cry 2 losses in a row cry cry

I haven't heart this after Game 5-6-7 against the Wings and until Game 2 of the SCF. Why? Because we have won those games. What have you done for me lately.

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Q is going to be the coach at the start of next season whether you guys like it or not... Making the SCF guarantees him being safe for next season.

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06-19-2013, 02:21 AM
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You guys are really, really awful sometimes. Some of the most temperamental people I've ever interacted with.

Q coaches team Same roster as last year to a Presidents Trophy and Stanley Cup appearance. He loses two games in a row in a series and now he has to go?

Truly mind blowing

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You guys are really, really awful sometimes. Some of the most temperamental people I've ever interacted with.

Q coaches team Same roster as last year to a Presidents Trophy and Stanley Cup appearance. He loses two games in a row in a series and now he has to go?

Truly mind blowing
I'm not saying he has to go but I truly question his moves since the SCF started.

Why make changes to the team that won 7-8 and got to the SCF? Just that, answer that one question that makes sense and I will let the rest of it go.

But to me that's inexcusable, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face. You make changes when things have proven to no longer work, winning 7-8 in the playoffs is working as well as it can get.

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06-19-2013, 03:37 AM
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Coaching the Chicago Blackhawks:

So easy, a caveman could do it!

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06-19-2013, 05:22 AM
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I don't agree with what he did in those 3 games, but I think Q knows more about this and what he should do.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. He only has 1 year left and Bowman isn't a fan of Q

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Non-Hawks fan here (I come in peace)

I was wondering, what's with Quenneville's incessant line tinkering? It's like he's some kind of mad hockey scientist out there. Has he been doing this all season? Obviously, last night's experiment wasn't great, but if he does this all the time, I've got to assume that Quenneville usually gets positive results from all his lineup changes, right? Or were the Blackhawks so successful despite his constant line variations?
I am a non Blackhawk fan and a supporter of coaches. I will admit the Smith thing to be baffling and the lines did not work in game 3 but hey - a chance to grab momentum is there to be had tonight at 7 pm. It is always about the next shift.

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06-19-2013, 08:38 AM
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Q only has one year left. No way he goes into next year as a lame duck. He's going to be asked to be extended or fired.

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Team has been to the CF or better 3 of 5 years.
He's not going anywhere for a couple years.
All we can do is hope they get rid of one of the assistants, but I'm not sure they have the leverage to do that.

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Would Q even accept a 2 year extension? I doubt it, that's usually what guys get that are about to be fired but get another chance. I've got to think 3 years is an absolute minimum for him and more likely 4.

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