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06-19-2013, 03:29 PM
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I'm sorry but if you think having Richards knocked out of the playoffs, Brown playing on torn ligaments in his knee, Kopitar only having one ankle and whatever it was that was bothering Doughty doesn't have an impact, I don't know what to tell you.

But we'll see tonight, won't we? The Bruins are basically a healthy version of the Kings. Against them, the Hawks have held a lead for a grand total of 23 minutes or so, out of 246. Crawford has shown up, but no one else has. All of the Bruins lines have scored. Hawks scorers are all AWOL and there's been no depth scoring either. Bruins defense looks calm and collected. Hawks defense is running around with their heads cut off in apparent terror of being hit.

Tonight will tell us if the Hawks really belong on the same ice as them, or if they truly got a soft run to the finals. We will revisit this then. I hope you are right.
The poster above you didn't say it doesn't have an impact that they were injured. They just said that they think we would still have won had the Kings been healthy. Huge difference.

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I'm sorry but if you think having Richards knocked out of the playoffs, Brown playing on torn ligaments in his knee, Kopitar only having one ankle and whatever it was that was bothering Doughty doesn't have an impact, I don't know what to tell you.

But we'll see tonight, won't we? The Bruins are basically a healthy version of the Kings. Against them, the Hawks have held a lead for a grand total of 23 minutes or so, out of 246. Crawford has shown up, but no one else has. All of the Bruins lines have scored. Hawks scorers are all AWOL and there's been no depth scoring either. Bruins defense looks calm and collected. Hawks defense is running around with their heads cut off in apparent terror of being hit.

Tonight will tell us if the Hawks really belong on the same ice as them, or if they truly got a soft run to the finals. We will revisit this then. I hope you are right.
I didn't say it didn't have an impact. I said I didn't agree that the Kings would have won if it weren't for their injuries.

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06-19-2013, 03:34 PM
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Well, that's a hypothetical we can never know. I am just not very impressed with what the Hawks, who have stayed very healthy all playoffs, had to overcome to get here. They're playing a team that is as healthy as they are and were one of the two legitimate contenders in the eastern conference. Right now, as of this moment, the Hawks have not proven they belong on the same ice as the Bruins. They can change that opinion with a win tonight. They had better, because the Bruins are a much *much* better team than the Red Wings.

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Well, that's a hypothetical we can never know. I am just not very impressed with what the Hawks, who have stayed very healthy all playoffs, had to overcome to get here. They're playing a team that is as healthy as they are and were one of the two legitimate contenders in the eastern conference. Right now, as of this moment, the Hawks have not proven they belong on the same ice as the Bruins. They can change that opinion with a win tonight. They had better, because the Bruins are a much *much* better team than the Red Wings.
Agreed again. Q certainly hasn't helped the cause either. I still can't believe he kept fiddling with the line-up twice in succession after winning the previous series. Maybe he sensed the same thing that Ike is talking about, that the ops hadn't played that great (for whatever reason) and his team needed to be better going forward. That makes some sense but the bizarre lines he conjured up last game was over the top for sure. An already frustrated Jonny seemed to be fuming by games end, and I doubt he was the only one.

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06-19-2013, 05:19 PM
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You will go mad before you try to find the logic behind Quenneville "sekret strategery" lines.

It's abundantly clear that he gives the lines he sets half a period to do something. If they don't, he scrambles them in a desperate attempt to find one that clicks in the idea that there's a magical combination somewhere in there if he just randomizes it enough to find it.

Meanwhile, want to know how often the Bruins changed their lines this playoffs, whether or not they are winning or losing?

How about the Kings last year?

I'd be plenty pissed if I was Toews, or Sharp, or Hossa, or Kane, too. Or even Shaw and Stalberg. Kruger and Frolik are the only ones getting any consistency.

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Well, that's a hypothetical we can never know. I am just not very impressed with what the Hawks, who have stayed very healthy all playoffs, had to overcome to get here. They're playing a team that is as healthy as they are and were one of the two legitimate contenders in the eastern conference. Right now, as of this moment, the Hawks have not proven they belong on the same ice as the Bruins. They can change that opinion with a win tonight. They had better, because the Bruins are a much *much* better team than the Red Wings.
Agreed. With the exception of Crawford, the Hawks have shown very little evidence that they can compete with Boston. If they lose tonight, it's over. Then we can all speculate whether the Bruins hoist the Cup in game 5 or game 6.

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06-19-2013, 08:11 PM
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As if Bowman needs any more reason for his colleagues to dislike him. Making sports history from a relations standpoint wouldn't be a good idea. If you want to do something totally outrageous, just fire him after the series is over. That wouldn't be as bad as letting him sit there through next season.
I still don't see any reason why a coach isn't able to do his job when he is on the final year of his contract.

That's not disrespecting or whatever...

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Agreed. With the exception of Crawford, the Hawks have shown very little evidence that they can compete with Boston. If they lose tonight, it's over. Then we can all speculate whether the Bruins hoist the Cup in game 5 or game 6.
Except dominating play at times, and you know, actually winning a game.

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06-19-2013, 08:53 PM
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if we win the Cup it's safe to say he will get a 3 year extension

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2 wins from a CUP - he has to go.

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Yayy we won, but why the **** wasn't leddy playing?!

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2 wins from a CUP - he has to go.
Actually this game proved why he's a doofus. He finally put the lines basically what the fans said they should be- what they were in LA - and look at the offensive explosion with Toews and Kane scoring lmao.

And also Stalhberg has a great game. Go figure

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Actually this game proved why he's a doofus. He finally put the lines basically what the fans said they should be- what they were in LA - and look at the offensive explosion with Toews and Kane scoring lmao.

And also Stalhberg has a great game. Go figure
You are right - Bowman will probably offer a four year deal to a committee of fans - HF boards experience an asset.

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So... Kane and Toews... they play well together.

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Q had a great game, everyone wanted this and worked from morning to midnight to make it happen, proud of everyone, these guys want it really bad.

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D. Keith - 32:37
N. Hjalmarsson - 25:45
B. Seabrook - 25:43
J. Oduya - 25:32
M. Rozsival - 26:36
N. Leddy - 2:37

Something's wrong with this picture.

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D. Keith - 32:37
N. Hjalmarsson - 25:45
B. Seabrook - 25:43
J. Oduya - 25:32
M. Rozsival - 26:36
N. Leddy - 2:37

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Yeah Oduya and Leddy should switch there amount of ice time.

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Well, that's a hypothetical we can never know. I am just not very impressed with what the Hawks, who have stayed very healthy all playoffs, had to overcome to get here. They're playing a team that is as healthy as they are and were one of the two legitimate contenders in the eastern conference. Right now, as of this moment, the Hawks have not proven they belong on the same ice as the Bruins. They can change that opinion with a win tonight. They had better, because the Bruins are a much *much* better team than the Red Wings.
I think you are underselling the Red Wings as they were constituted during the playoffs. When healthy and with the youngsters playing well, they are a very good team. I think they'ed fare well against Boston (not necessarily win) as they are the kind of team they struggle against (very fast).

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Q had a great game, everyone wanted this and worked from morning to midnight to make it happen, proud of everyone, these guys want it really bad.
Leddy's playing time was baffling and inexcusable, but he FINALLY rolled the lines that he should have.

That's hardly having a great game, it's called making the easy and appropriate decision and what he should have done from the get go.

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if we win the Cup it's safe to say he will get a 3 year extension
Probably, but the fact is we are winning despite a wretched PP (his fault) and a slew of inexcusably stupid decisions.

He should be canned at the end of the season regardless. We win in SPITE of him, not because of him.

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Probably, but the fact is we are winning despite a wretched PP (his fault) and a slew of inexcusably stupid decisions.

He should be canned at the end of the season regardless. We win in SPITE of him, not because of him.
Maybe there are better coaches out there - The PP cannot be thrown entirely at the feet of the coach. Individuals that telegraph passes, pick the wrong time to shoot or the wrong shot selection, players that will not get dirty or cannot shoot the one timer - will kill a PP and the Hawks for all of their talent just have little chemistry. They got a goal tonight because Hossa was at the midpoint (where he never is), he got a quick shot away and the overload man jumped on it. The PP is simple but success often elusive as there are many talented players that just lack feel for man advantage situations.

If you win two Cups you do not do it by accident.

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The Hawks dominated this game and proved they belong on the same ice as Boston... but suddenly opened up a whole new can of worms as Crawford got really badly exposed. They sure can't expect to score 6 goals every game.

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if we win the Cup... there is no reason to doubt him. He would have won the Cup Twice since becoming our coach.

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Game 4 Stanley Cup Finals

Bickell - Toews - Kane

Now where have we seen this before?

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The Hawks dominated this game and proved they belong on the same ice as Boston... but suddenly opened up a whole new can of worms as Crawford got really badly exposed. They sure can't expect to score 6 goals every game.
I doubt the Bruins score 5 next time out.

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