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Ranger Prospect Poll - #16

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Jake Taylor 2 4.17%
Billy Ryan 1 2.08%
Chris Holt 0 0%
Roman Psurny 0 0%
Brandon Dubinsky 9 18.75%
Zdenek Bahensky 1 2.08%
Dave Liffiton 7 14.58%
Dominic Moore 8 16.67%
Ryan Callahan 5 10.42%
Chad Wiseman 1 2.08%
Darin Olver 9 18.75%
Garth Murray 5 10.42%
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05-18-2005, 04:47 PM
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Ranger Prospect Poll - #16

#1 Prospect - Henrik Lundqvist (G) - 2000 Draft - #205 Overall, 7th Round
#2 Prospect - Fedor Tyutin (D) - 2001 Draft - #40 Overall, 2nd Round
#3 Prospect - Al Montoya (G) - 2004 Draft - #6 Overall, 1st Round
#4 Prospect - Hugh Jessiman (RW) - 2003 Draft - #12 Overall, 1st Round
#5 Prospect - Jarkko Immonen (C) - 2002 Draft - #254 Overall, 8th Round
#6 Prospect - Lauri Korpikoski (LW) - 2004 Draft - #19 Overall, 1st Round
#7 Prospect - Maxim Kondratiev (D) - 2001 Draft - #168 Overall, 6th Round
#8 Prospect - Jozef Balej (RW) - 2000 Draft - #78 Overall, 3rd Round
#9 Prospect - Nigel Dawes (LW) - 2003 Draft - #149 Overall, 5th Round
#10 Prospect - Ivan Baranka (D) - 2003 Draft - #50 Overall, 2nd Round
#11 Prospect - Petr Prucha (C) - 2002 Draft - #240 Overall, 8th Round
#12 Prospect - Bruce Graham (C) - 2004 Draft - #51 Overall, 2nd Round
#13 Prospect - Thomas Pock (D) - Not Drafted
#14 Prospect - Alexandre Giroux (LW) - 1999 Draft - #213 Overall, 7th Round
#15 Prospect - Bryce Lampman (D) - 2001 Draft - #113 Overall, 4th Round
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Added: Zdenek Bahensky & Roman Psurny

Went with Dubinsky again.

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Went with Murray

Garth looked like he didnt belong in the nhl at the end of last year. But he's young and has lots of AHL experience. Not a high upside but has a good chance to be a serviceable 3rd/4th line grinder.

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Went with Dominic Moore again. Kid's still got 2nd line potential, I believe, but could also serve as an elite 3rd line winger. Very underrated defensive game. Overall just a slick and extremely smart player.

Add Nate Guenin.

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Went with Olver. Hollweg and Helminen should be on the list before Psurny and Bahensky.

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Went with Olver. Hollweg and Helminen should be on the list before Psurny and Bahensky.
I would not put Hollweg on a list before either of them. He's a grinder, but that's about it. At best, he'll max out as a fourth line center and even then his only real attribute is his hitting. I personally have not been impressed with his work in the defensive zone.

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Olver... he could be a top 6 forward... the Murrays and Hollwegs of the world have 3rd line potential AT BEST. I'll take a slightly bigger risk to add something that could potentially help us MUCH more. Olver barely missed out on the 1st round... I find it hard to believe his stock is so low after a season where he played quite well.

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Garth Murray,he seems to be underrated around here think he could be a excellent prospect and player for NYR maybe not putting up huge #'s but everything else he will do, that should all be accounted for.

Just curious how do all you people judge prospects, it looks to me like prospects get rated by there offensive abilities and thats it, instead of there overall complete game and weather they will be NHL'ers or not, and what type of role players and how valuable to the team they will be. Thats how I think a player should be judged. I think a player like Murray can be just as good a prospect as Balej, and if you sit down and think about it b4 jumping the gun does make plenty of sense. Balej brings offense thats it, Murray brings little offense,very little but will probably be a 30 point player plays physical, tough sticks up for team mates, so overall a player like that is just as valuable as a Balej .

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Garth Murray,he seems to be underrated around here think he could be a excellent prospect and player for NYR maybe not putting up huge #'s but everything else he will do, that should all be accounted for.

Just curious how do all you people judge prospects, it looks to me like prospects get rated by there offensive abilities and thats it, instead of there overall complete game and weather they will be NHL'ers or not, and what type of role players and how valuable to the team they will be. Thats how I think a player should be judged. I think a player like Murray can be just as good a prospect as Balej, and if you sit down and think about it b4 jumping the gun does make plenty of sense. Balej brings offense thats it, Murray brings little offense,very little but will probably be a 30 point player plays physical, tough sticks up for team mates, so overall a player like that is just as valuable as a Balej .
For a guy with such little offensive production in the AHL, I find it hard to believe he'll come in and put up solid seasons in the NHL. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see him as a 4th liner/borderline 3rd liner. He sticks up for teammates which is great, but his game is mediocre. You need a little more speed and at least some offense to play on a good teams 3rd line...

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For a guy with such little offensive production in the AHL, I find it hard to believe he'll come in and put up solid seasons in the NHL. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see him as a 4th liner/borderline 3rd liner. He sticks up for teammates which is great, but his game is mediocre. You need a little more speed and at least some offense to play on a good teams 3rd line...
Well I think Murrays speed is not bad at all, well a solid comparison would be a darren Mccarty of det who is on one of the best if not the best checking 3rd line in the NHL, and look at Mccarty produces a couple 14 or 15 goal seasons and det has been a great team, but Mccarty is 3rd line so I dont reallyy understand you statement. If Murray gets 3rd line time with lets say a player like Helminen and maybe Moore I could see that liune being very defensiveley reliable along with having the capabilities of putting up offensive #'s. When you have players who can alll complement each other a 4th liner with the right guys could be a 2nd liner, on any team. Its all about chemistry.

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For a guy with such little offensive production in the AHL, I find it hard to believe he'll come in and put up solid seasons in the NHL. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see him as a 4th liner/borderline 3rd liner. He sticks up for teammates which is great, but his game is mediocre. You need a little more speed and at least some offense to play on a good teams 3rd line...

Murray used to have an offensive game before all the injuries. People tend to forget that. Maybe if he gets healthy, he'll regain some of his scoring touch. But in order to do that, he needs to get minutes.

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Well I think Murrays speed is not bad at all, well a solid comparison would be a darren Mccarty of det who is on one of the best if not the best checking 3rd line in the NHL, and look at Mccarty produces a couple 14 or 15 goal seasons and det has been a great team, but Mccarty is 3rd line so I dont reallyy understand you statement. If Murray gets 3rd line time with lets say a player like Helminen and maybe Moore I could see that liune being very defensiveley reliable along with having the capabilities of putting up offensive #'s. When you have players who can alll complement each other a 4th liner with the right guys could be a 2nd liner, on any team. Its all about chemistry.
Murray will not be as good as Darren McCarty. That was the comparison made if he really maxed out his potential... he hasn't shown anything like that yet. A 3rd line of Moore, Helminen, and Murray would be absolutely brutal. Moore is by no means an ideal 3rd line center, Helminen is small. You could probably get by with one or the other on your 3rd line, but not both. I also don't get how he will put up decent offensive #'s for a 3rd liner, when he really struggles at it in the AHL. I think Murray is one of those guys who will be manning our 4th line...

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I used to be one of Garth Murray's biggest fans, but after seeing him lately, I have my doubts as to whether he'll ever stick in the NHL, period...let alone move anywhere above the fourth line.

Quite frankly, there are at least 10 players I'd vote for before I voted for Murray.

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Voted for Dubinsky

Add Joey Crabb and Nate Guenin. I think he can step into the NHL. He is already 22 and planning to go back to school. I hope Sather signs Guenin and Crabb this summer.

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I used to be one of Garth Murray's biggest fans, but after seeing him lately, I have my doubts as to whether he'll ever stick in the NHL, period...let alone move anywhere above the fourth line.

Quite frankly, there are at least 10 players I'd vote for before I voted for Murray.
I agree, I just dont have much faith in Murray.

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Voted for Moore, I was impressed from what I seen of him when he had that short stint with the Rangers..............3 points in his first game

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#1 Prospect - Henrik Lundqvist (G) - 2000 Draft - #205 Overall, 7th Round
#2 Prospect - Fedor Tyutin (D) - 2001 Draft - #40 Overall, 2nd Round
#3 Prospect - Al Montoya (G) - 2004 Draft - #6 Overall, 1st Round
#4 Prospect - Hugh Jessiman (RW) - 2003 Draft - #12 Overall, 1st Round
#5 Prospect - Jarkko Immonen (C) - 2002 Draft - #254 Overall, 8th Round
#6 Prospect - Lauri Korpikoski (LW) - 2004 Draft - #19 Overall, 1st Round
#7 Prospect - Maxim Kondratiev (D) - 2001 Draft - #168 Overall, 6th Round
#8 Prospect - Jozef Balej (RW) - 2000 Draft - #78 Overall, 3rd Round
#9 Prospect - Nigel Dawes (LW) - 2003 Draft - #149 Overall, 5th Round
#10 Prospect - Ivan Baranka (D) - 2003 Draft - #50 Overall, 2nd Round
#11 Prospect - Petr Prucha (C) - 2002 Draft - #240 Overall, 8th Round
#12 Prospect - Bruce Graham (C) - 2004 Draft - #51 Overall, 2nd Round
#13 Prospect - Thomas Pock (D) - Not Drafted
#14 Prospect - Alexandre Giroux (LW) - 1999 Draft - #213 Overall, 7th Round
#15 Prospect - Bryce Lampman (D) - 2001 Draft - #113 Overall, 4th Round
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Added: Zdenek Bahensky & Roman Psurny

Went with Dubinsky again.
personal preferences. I think that with players that were recieved in trade a notation to that affect should be posted next to their names as well as the draft year and selection, i.e. Giroux, Balej, Liffiton.

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