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06-16-2013, 04:16 PM
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Good to see Marte even though he struck out. I can't handle another regular going on the DL.

Presley goes yard! Atones for his horrible play in the field.

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Well, fairly mediocre showing from Cole. It's clear that he'll need to miss more bats, and the offspeed stuff is going to be a learning process.
He still isn't throwing all of his pitches. He's just pounding out fastballs with a rare off-speed pitch every once in awhile.

Once he starts throwing 4 pitches regularly, he'll gather much more strikeouts and ground balls.

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He still isn't throwing all of his pitches. He's just pounding out fastballs with a rare off-speed pitch every once in awhile.

Once he starts throwing 4 pitches regularly, he'll gather much more strikeouts and ground balls.
Yeah, it was still over 80% fastballs today. I'm not sure he's able to throw any of the offspeed stuff for consistent strikes though, which is why I think it will be a bit of a learning process/struggle for him.

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They really have to wean him onto more breaking stuff. The guy has one of the best sliders in baseball right now and he's not using it.

Nothing bad from Gerrit, but I definitely wouldn't be against getting him 4 or 5 starts in AAA where he works almost exclusively with the breaking stuff once we have 5 healthy starters again.


For the time being...I want him to make at least one more start. I want to see him pitch in Anaheim.

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I am very happy with Cole so far. I agree that he will eventually need to have at least 2 other solid pitches but I think that there's also a great deal of value in learning how much he can get away with with just his fastball.

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I do think the Pirates are trying to copy the Cardinals' handling of Shelby Miller...who has been throwing an equally eye-popping proportion of fastballs despite being renown for his breaking stuff. I guess this is the new innings cap with pitching prospects...

I'm shocked that it hasn't caught up to Miller yet, to be honest...the Pirates are apparently the only team that have been able to read that it's okay to sit on the fastball when the pitcher is throwing it 80% of the time (Miller is 0-2 against the Pirates and 7-2 against everyone else).

One key difference there is that Miller is getting people to miss his fastball...91 Ks in 81.1 innings is a fantastic stat.

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big series against the Reds

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06-17-2013, 08:54 AM
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Interesting article on Cole and the amount of fastballs he is throwing.

http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013...fastballs.html

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06-17-2013, 08:57 AM
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Caught this on MLB Net this morning...

NL leader in HR this calendar year?



Quick count on baseballreference, from 6/17/12 - 6/16/13, 35 bombs

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Crucial series with the Reds. This is where the Bucs need to make a statement that they are not going away.

I am really happy with Marte seemingly healthy, we're going to need him. At least we missed Cueto, who pitched yesterday.

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Have a feeling the reds are going to plunk Cutch this series.

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Interesting article on Cole and the amount of fastballs he is throwing.

http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013...fastballs.html
In the bottom half of the article he talks about two "slurves" that cole threw before eventually giving up an rbi single. The second of those slurves was in the strike zone and should've been called a strike. That passed my eye test but it also passed pitch f/x. Cole got squeezed there.

If there's any truth to the notion that martin is an expert pitch framer then perhaps he would've gotten that call.
Aside from that sequence i only noticed one other time where he seemed to be trying for a strikeout and in that case he did get greinke to chase high heat.


Another topic: pedro alvarez.
Granted that he still strikes out too much but he did not look nearly as lost as he did earlier. He looks like he's getting more confident at the plate.
He has also been a very good fielder the last few times i saw him. The defensive metrics support that too. He is fielding really well and i think that we can live with a low obp if he's giving us 30+ homeruns and this plus defense. I'm finally ready to buy in on pedro now.

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06-17-2013, 01:57 PM
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Yeah, there were definitely a few times where it seemed like McKenry wasn't able to frame Cole's pitches well, as well as another few times where Cole just got squeezed. The home plate umpire was very inconsistent yesterday.

Big game tonight--need to set the tone with Liriano, and then hopefully Locke will at least win his game and we'll get a split.

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06-17-2013, 01:59 PM
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Martin is an expert framer, but there's no arguing that umps don't like to give rookies calls. Cole has been squeezed on a few pitches already, he had one pitch in the first game that was almost right down the middle on the pitch chart get called a ball.

On the flip side Greg Maddux's strike zone basically consisted of anywhere on Earth. Vets still get the calls, but no one benefited from more from ump strike zones than Maddux.

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Hereida is heading to West Virginia and will be under an innings/pitches limit.

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06-17-2013, 03:47 PM
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Sorry for the double post, but this merits its own. Hurdle named Mercer the SS who will get the "lion's share" of work going forward!

It's a good move to see what we have, as Barmes isn't really doing much except defense and he almost certainly won't be back next year.

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Sorry for the double post, but this merits its own. Hurdle named Mercer the SS who will get the "lion's share" of work going forward!

It's a good move to see what we have, as Barmes isn't really doing much except defense and he almost certainly won't be back next year.
I have a feeling that the beautiful hit and run yesterday might have been the clincher for Mercer. Good thing though.

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06-17-2013, 06:34 PM
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Have a feeling the reds are going to plunk Cutch this series.
If they do, I hope we go after Phillips.

EDIT: Liriano bunts to the worst possible spot. Right to the pitcher, he goes left or right he moves the runner over. As it was, Leake jumped on it, and Mercer had to hold at 2nd.


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Gotta take advantage of that leadoff double. I've always found Leake overrated--in general and in terms of the Pirates infinite capacity to make opposing pitchers excel.

Marte!!! What a catch.


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Wow, Marte!! Run saving catch. That was sweet.

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