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05-25-2013, 04:38 PM
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His game is similar to that of Kulimen. Good along the boards, great shot, great physically, very solid defensively and has good wheels...his problem is that he cannot seem to translate his offensive game at an NHL level. If he ever gets clicking offensively he will be a very good second line player...if not we may want to look into converting him into a third line defensive specialist who chips in the odd point.

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05-25-2013, 05:05 PM
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He was absolutely on fire playing with Kadri early in the season, then came back and was more or less invisible. He's 25, but a late bloomer, and hasn't even hit 90 NHL games yet, so it's not surprising he lacks consistency. He's already a good 3rd line winger, and I think he has the upside to mature into a good 2nd line winger. Good skater, great shot, average height but very solidly built, nice hustle. Hands are average, vision is below average, but he still brings plenty to the table. I'd compare him most to someone like David Booth, and can see him having a similar career (hopefully without the concussions).

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05-25-2013, 05:39 PM
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He has some awesome tools to become a great player, which is what people are forgetting... Take a look at his skillset here people: He's fast as hell, he's a bull on skates and very strong on the puck and he's got a LASER shot, he has all the ingredients of a top-6 contributor...

He had great Chemistry with kadri early in the season which is why he was scoring goals like crazy.. Kadri knew how to utilize Frattin's skillset very well and it paid off very well... When Frattin came back he got taken off of Kadri's line which is why his production dropped..

If you give him a center who can work with his speed, strength and laser shot then I fully believe we have ourselves a dangerous top 6'er

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05-25-2013, 05:49 PM
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One of my favorite Leafs. Stick him on the third line with Kuly as his winger and we will have a solid checking line.

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05-25-2013, 07:00 PM
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He has some awesome tools to become a great player, which is what people are forgetting... Take a look at his skillset here people: He's fast as hell, he's a bull on skates and very strong on the puck and he's got a LASER shot, he has all the ingredients of a top-6 contributor...

He had great Chemistry with kadri early in the season which is why he was scoring goals like crazy.. Kadri knew how to utilize Frattin's skillset very well and it paid off very well... When Frattin came back he got taken off of Kadri's line which is why his production dropped..

If you give him a center who can work with his speed, strength and laser shot then I fully believe we have ourselves a dangerous top 6'er
The problem is his terrible hockey IQ. Most of the time he resembles a tougher Jason Blake--blaze down the wing, cross the blue line, and take a shot that has no chance of going in. His value, imo, is in his physical game. Due to the aforementioned poor hockey IQ i doubt he ever translates any kind of offense to the NHL, but as others have mentioned he can be groomed into a superb defensive player that forms a fantastic shutdown line with McClement and Kulemin.

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05-25-2013, 08:49 PM
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The problem is his terrible hockey IQ. Most of the time he resembles a tougher Jason Blake--blaze down the wing, cross the blue line, and take a shot that has no chance of going in. His value, imo, is in his physical game. Due to the aforementioned poor hockey IQ i doubt he ever translates any kind of offense to the NHL, but as others have mentioned he can be groomed into a superb defensive player that forms a fantastic shutdown line with McClement and Kulemin.
I actually think that with the right set up man, Frattin can put up 25 goals.

He is a pure finisher, if someone like kadri gets him the puck, he can use his shot to get goals. He has a very good wrister and one timer. I just think He needs the right center to excel

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05-25-2013, 09:20 PM
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He was great for us before the injury near the start of the season. Potential i'd say a solid 2nd liner. He needs to keep working on his strength and conditioning and, most importantly his skating ability. He has the shot, decent hands, if he can start skating better it'll let all of that come together.

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05-25-2013, 10:09 PM
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He was great for us before the injury near the start of the season. Potential i'd say a solid 2nd liner. He needs to keep working on his strength and conditioning and, most importantly his skating ability. He has the shot, decent hands, if he can start skating better it'll let all of that come together.
He is actually pretty fast. I just think he needs to get to the right spots to score.

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05-25-2013, 10:13 PM
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His offense completely disappeared, which was disappointing. I think he can be a decent 3rd liner going forward.

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05-25-2013, 10:23 PM
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Good young player who still shows a lot of promise (imo). His knee injury set him back this year. Hopefully its not a chronic issue

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05-25-2013, 10:38 PM
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I can't recall him being used on the PK very much, or being relied on in defensive situations at all, so obviously he has some work to do if he wants to earn RC's trust as a long-term bottom-six option for this team. He has all the tools and then some, it'll just be a question of his willingness to accept and learn that role.

He reminds me a lot of Kulemin with his combination of speed, deceptive strength and bullet shot.

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05-26-2013, 09:32 AM
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I can't recall him being used on the PK very much, or being relied on in defensive situations at all, so obviously he has some work to do if he wants to earn RC's trust as a long-term bottom-six option for this team. He has all the tools and then some, it'll just be a question of his willingness to accept and learn that role.

He reminds me a lot of Kulemin with his combination of speed, deceptive strength and bullet shot.
We need more guys like Kules, you can win with that strength. Just wish Kules was more punishing to play against, he is a brick shiphouse.

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05-26-2013, 10:31 AM
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It's an odd scenario with Frattin. He's had his struggles, his ups and downs, but the tools are there to be a 2nd line RW. One thing that irritates me is everyone talks of him like he's so young and just a graduated prospect. He's 25 years old, which obviously isn't old, but it also isn't young.

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05-26-2013, 11:08 AM
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Unreal shot, unreal speed, virtually impossible to knock down and he can dish the hits aswell. he can definitely fit into the top 6 next season with Lupul-Kadri

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05-26-2013, 11:21 AM
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I actually think that with the right set up man, Frattin can put up 25 goals.

He is a pure finisher, if someone like kadri gets him the puck, he can use his shot to get goals. He has a very good wrister and one timer. I just think He needs the right center to excel
Just not on breakaways.


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05-26-2013, 12:08 PM
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Unreal shot, unreal speed, virtually impossible to knock down and he can dish the hits aswell. he can definitely fit into the top 6 next season with Lupul-Kadri
I like your thinking.

??? - McClement - Kulemin is a solid checking line. Frattin should be in a position to score goals, not be relied on defensively.

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It's an odd scenario with Frattin. He's had his struggles, his ups and downs, but the tools are there to be a 2nd line RW. One thing that irritates me is everyone talks of him like he's so young and just a graduated prospect. He's 25 years old, which obviously isn't old, but it also isn't young.
Young as in he still has room to grow. People forget that Frattin was virtually a nobody even at 21 years of age. He had a growth spurt around that time and got a wake up call being counseled for disorderly conduct. His career has taken a straight trajectory upwards since then. Not all players develop from 16 years old to 19-21. Frattin is just a late-bloomer and is still technically young at 25 years of age, even if that isn't prototypically young for an NHL player.


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05-26-2013, 06:15 PM
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I wouldn't mind a forward group next year consisting of:

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Kadri - Frattin
XXX - McClement - Kulemin
Komarov - XXXX - Orr/MacLaren/Marlie call-up

3rd line winger spot could be filled by a call-up (D'amigo?) or trade/FA... Ideally we get an upgrade on Bozak though... I think Colborne might be able to step into the NHL soon, but atm it's too risky to put him in a top 6 with Kadri and not ideal for him to be in a bottom 6 role...

I think JVR - Kadri - Frattin could be a very good line as you have two shoot-first wingers that can use their size and the good playmaking/finesse forward Kadri.

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05-26-2013, 07:49 PM
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Unless Carlyle is getting fired, we're not going to have a traditional checking line. That 'third line' will be a shut down lne and be able to produce offebnsively against top scoring lines. Usually checking lines don't do that, while the 'second' is a sheltered scoring line.

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id keep him in favour of signing someone like clarkson for stupid amount of money.... good 3rd line 2nd line tweener... definitly looked good in the boston series.

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I personally dont see anything special in him...possibly a 3rd/ border 2nd line guy. He has impressive speed and power not to mention a phenomenal shot, however, i dont see much hockey smarts in him. In the AHL most of his point production was off pure hustle and power...so he could easily get past defenders by simply skating through them, but now that he's in the NHL most players are able to match that speed and power, and so that "edge" he once had in the A hasn't helped him. Often he skates up the wing and just rips one on a terrible angle (from what i've seen) and honestly, it dosent result in much. In order for him to be successful at this level he's going to need to tweak his game up. I do hope im wrong but thats just my assessment of him right now.

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05-27-2013, 05:50 AM
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I have a feeling that Matt has a bit of a breakout next year, sharing 2nd/3rd line duties for us. As others have said, when he brings the physical play, his overall game seems to flourish.

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05-27-2013, 08:34 AM
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I'm not as much in the Frattin boat as everyone else is.

He's got a very good, hard shot and is built like a truck but he unfortunately doesn't use his body as much as he should and doesn't have a very high hockey IQ. That said, I'm sure he can improve on his style so I hope we keep him going forward but I won't be super sad if he goes.

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What are the chances he has a Johan Franzen like spike in production. Both play the same game and didnt enter the league until their mid 20s. Frattins season was similar to his 27 yo season.

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Not sure what to think. Sometimes he looks like he could be a nice top 6 power-forward. Other times, and often for stretches he looks like he should be with the Marlies

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I think his hockey IQ is just fine. He seems like a player that needs to build chemistry with his linemates in order to be affective. Some guys can come in a play anywhere; Fratts was his best when he was on the same page as his center (Kadri).

I hope he can build a chemistry with Colborne on our 3rd line - Would be nice to see them both use their strength to gain scoring opportunities together. He has the finish, he just lacks confidence and familiar faces.

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