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09-25-2003, 08:14 AM
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More info on Abramovich interest in the Canucks...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=55094

"Russian-born NHL players spending the summer in their homeland heard rumours of a possible purchase by Abramovich of an NHL team that would be stocked entirely with Russian players. Most of the millionaire players know Abramovich. Hockey Hall of Fame defenceman Viacheslav Fetisov, who now holds a government sport ministry position, is a friend and would have an interest in becoming involved in management of any team Abramovich might buy.

``It wouldn't hurt to have our own, wholly Russian team in the National Hockey League,'' says Fetisov. ``It would stir up more interest.''




That would royally suck. Nothing against Russian players, but imagine a team full of Bure's and Mogilny's where the most physical player would be Chubarov? The Canucks would never win anything...

Also of note, Abramovich owns the Russian Elite League team, Avangard Omsk, who recently spent big money to sign Oleg Tverdovsky and Jamie Storr.

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I think this means he wants to buy Chicago

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I think this means he wants to buy Chicago
That would definitely make more sense. It would be a dream come true for their GM, Mike Smith-ov! He'd finally have a virtually unlimited payroll to stock his team completely with Russian players! Yay!

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He couldn't do it; the NHL wouldn't let him, even if they approved the purchase. And it's worth noting that Chelsea doesn't have a single Russian in its lineup, and Abramovich hasn't done anything to change that. This is just a wild rumor, probably wishful thinking by Russian fans.

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He couldn't do it; the NHL wouldn't let him, even if they approved the purchase.
What could they do to stop him? An owner can employ any players he wishes, even if they are all Russian born.

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And it's worth noting that Chelsea doesn't have a single Russian in its lineup, and Abramovich hasn't done anything to change that. This is just a wild rumor, probably wishful thinking by Russian fans.
But how many Russian soccer players play in the league? I agree it's probably a silly rumour, but this guys has money to burn and he is apparantly a big hockey fan. I know being a Canadian I wouldn't mind seeing a team constructed of all my favorite Canadian stars...

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He couldn't do it; the NHL wouldn't let him, even if they approved the purchase. And it's worth noting that Chelsea doesn't have a single Russian in its lineup, and Abramovich hasn't done anything to change that. This is just a wild rumor, probably wishful thinking by Russian fans.

Chelsea doesn't have russian because the Premier league doesn't allow more than a certain # of non-EUs on the team...

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Several points i like to make

1) i think this is actually one of the best possible ownership scenario for the Canucks. Yes McCaw wants to sell this team to local ownership, but who really have the money in Vancouver and actually want the team. If there are any, they would have shown the interest by now. On the other hand, i think Abramovich would actually has the money and committment to keep the team in Vancouver. The reasons are simple. First, i am sure Abramovich wants to move the team to Russia, but it is impossible because NHLPA would never accept such a move. And Canucks would became kinda a toy for him, and the location is not really all that important. Can Abramovich be a possible long term owners candidate, probably not, but the fact is during his stay in Canucks for about 5-20 years, you will just know he will invest enough money to make this team into contentor. i also like to have a passion local owner for the Canucks, but that is just not a reality in the world we are living today.


2) As far as over spending goes, i think it will be very hard since a immediate lock out will most likely create a salary cap which will restrict the owner of overspending without some serious punishment likes a luxuay tax.

3) i am very curious about the actual plan for McCaw and Stan McCammon. They have insisted on finding a local ownership for this team, but have not been too active at finding a potential owner recently. There are several reasons, one theory is that people are afraid to invest to any NHL franchise due to potential lockout and the lose of immediate money. On the other hand, the other theory going around is people are very active at becoming a NHL owner because this is the perfect time since if they look beyond the lockout, the NHL with salary cap can become very favorable for the owners. i don't know which theory is true. The bottom line is i am not sure if McCaw is really trying to sell the team right now because the Canucks have generate so much money for him. This is a fact that is often being loss, McCaw is the owner of both the Orca Bay and Canucks. If the Canucks are making money just base on the ticket sell, can you imagine the type of money Orca Bay is making as a company which is in charge of the 15$ per parking spot, the food etc......... This team might very well make about 30 million $ for McCaw per season. Although they would never be stupid enough to open the real book for the public.

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Hypathetically, if this dude does buy the Nucks, would he trade Bertuzzi and Naslund for like Kovalchuk?? lol

Wouldnt it be easier for some Swede to buy the Canucks and make them an all Swedeish team (50% there).

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What could they do to stop him? An owner can employ any players he wishes, even if they are all Russian born.
The league can refuse to approve trades, for one thing. I suppose he could let contracts expire and only sign Russian free agents and draft only Russians. But I suspect that the bad publicity that would result if one team only acquired players of a certain nationality (Russian or otherwise) would cause the NHL to tell him to cease and desist - and, if he refused, they do have the power to revoke his franchise.

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Chelsea doesn't have russian because the Premier league doesn't allow more than a certain # of non-EUs on the team...
They're allowed three, I believe. What's stopped Abramovich from selling his foreigners and bringing in Russians, if he's really so Russo-centric?

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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/...ing%20Standard

Mostly rehashed stuff, but this story sure is making the global rounds. Seems like there may be something to it after all.

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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/...ing%20Standard

Mostly rehashed stuff, but this story sure is making the global rounds. Seems like there may be something to it after all.


Good link, it will be up to McCaw and whether he will do the best thing for the franchise.

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The only local person that I can think of that has the kind of money that could buy the Canucks, is Jim Pattison.
However, Jim Pattison is not in the habit of buying things that loose money.
Besides if he wanted the Canucks, he would have bought them a long time ago.

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What's the point of making an all-Russian team? It's not like Russians can't find jobs...and any NHL team that strives to be one nationality will be weak in certain areas and will lack depth. An all-Russian team would not work, on or off the ice (especially in a North American city)

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What's the point of making an all-Russian team? It's not like Russians can't find jobs...and any NHL team that strives to be one nationality will be weak in certain areas and will lack depth. An all-Russian team would not work, on or off the ice (especially in a North American city)
Because this guy has money to burn. He's not in it to make money, but to rather to have fun.

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McCaw's attitude toward his team has indeed been a strange one. At some points he seems very keen to build a winner. The apparent attempt to get Gretzky and the ill-concieved acquistion of Messier suggests this. Maybe they were done just to put backsides in the Garage but his wringing of hands at Canuck playoff games and Burke's trumpeting of McCaw's behind the scenes support suggest his interest is genuine.

Yet you get the feeling that if he could turn a buck by moving the Canucks he'd do it. Within the McCaw clan there seems on-going sibling rivally to establish one's business acumen. And that it might be just as important for McCaw to prove his worth by showing the Canucks to have been, after all, a good investment as it is to turn the team into a winner. Certainly the under-handed way in which the Grizzlies were dealt away points to McCaw's willingness to put business ahead of any commitment to Vancouver and his disregard for the fans of this city.

If the price is right I see McCaw dumping the Canucks. Yet I don't see him dumping the team without getting some firm and written guarantee that the Canucks will stay put. He'll not want the main tenant of the building he owns to be leaving. If he sells everything , including GM Place, to the Russian money bags then Mr. Abramovich will be in the same boat as McCaw is now. In either case I don't see the Canucks moving. The fact that team owns the building it plays in, and has a large financial committment to that building, has always been one major safeguard the fans have against the team moving elsewhere.

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The league can refuse to approve trades, for one thing. I suppose he could let contracts expire and only sign Russian free agents and draft only Russians. But I suspect that the bad publicity that would result if one team only acquired players of a certain nationality (Russian or otherwise) would cause the NHL to tell him to cease and desist - and, if he refused, they do have the power to revoke his franchise.



They're allowed three, I believe. What's stopped Abramovich from selling his foreigners and bringing in Russians, if he's really so Russo-centric?
Who are they gonna bring in? European football is so different than North American hockey, you can't just trade for a guy like that. Contracts are honored, and there are tons of rich owners who have so much more pressure than over here. Milan isn't just going to sell a Shevchenko to Chelsea because this guy has money. He probably does want Russians, but knows that there are none out there (of the ones available) who are worthy of a spot on an EPL team that he wants to win a championship.


He would be a terrible owner for this team. If you think McCaw will dump a team for a quick buck, wait till you see how fast this kid would dump us or move us to Portland.

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I started a thread about the implications of an all-Russian NHL team in the general NHL board. Check it out!

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The first NHL team he tried to buy were the Stars just a few months ago, but the Stars declined and he then tried to get contact with the Vancouver Canucks..

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god, i cant think whats gonna happen if canucks stocked with all russian..............

and moving to Portland??? I will definetely fly back to Vancouver and protest..

Anyway, I'd be happy if he gets the team, make this time contenders every year!

IMAGINE BURKE with unlimited budget... I wonder if he could be second Glen Sather.

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The NHL would not allow a team that is making money to be moved regardless of location but especially a team that is making money in Canada. I'm not concerned about the slightest threat of the team moving.

 
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He couldn't do it; the NHL wouldn't let him, even if they approved the purchase. And it's worth noting that Chelsea doesn't have a single Russian in its lineup, and Abramovich hasn't done anything to change that. This is just a wild rumor, probably wishful thinking by Russian fans.
Chelsea actually russian midfielder Alexei Smertin from Bordeaux earlier in the summer, but he went out on loan to fellow premier league side Portsmouth becuause they see him as a "long-term investment"

Smertin is 29 ! !

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Chelsea actually bought russian midfielder Alexei Smertin from Bordeaux earlier in the summer, but he went out on loan to fellow premier league side Portsmouth becuause they see him as a "long-term investment"

Smertin is 29 ! !
have to correct myself....

Smertin is 28 ... and here's a link

http://www.planetfootball.com/articl...mertin&clid=47

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Well Shevchenko is Ukranian, so I am not sure if Abramovic would be that interested
The other thing is, how many top drawer Russian talents are there that play football? None instantly spring to mind, but with Hockey it is a different story, I would have thought he would go for Chicago given their histories (of russian players) or if he did take over another club, maybe he would hire Mike Smith!?!

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Of course Mr Abramovich could pick up some great young russian prospects to Chelsea (izmailov, sychev) but why would he have them playing reserve football when he can go out and have huge stars instead ....who thought a guy like Hernan Crespo would end up in Chel$ki ?

I'm really scared about this whole "buying a NHL team" idea ... he'd probably pay a LOT of money to get the players he'd want - you wouldn't longer talk about the contract that Holik signed with the Rangers, that would probably be peanuts by his standards

I'm afraid it would raise the payroll of the team and there will be very tough competition for the 4 lines every night

I mean, the guy bought 10 new players to Chelsea, imagine if he would replace, for example Vancouver with a whole bunch of new players .. He (and the GM) would go out and point at the player they want and tell him to get here, because we will pay you whatever u ask....
If this guy wants to take over a team, he'd go for the cup the same season. so he'd probably trade for an all-star lineup by christmas...

If he doesn't do this russian team thing and want to bring all the best russian players to one team, of course it would be quite cool to just see them play together, it would be like having the World cup every night....

but still i'm a little scared of what this guy is going to do next....

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why make a move to russian players? we just got the Sweden assimilation underway

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